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jivJaN
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Rainbow Body
#13388583 - 10/26/10 02:29 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_body
Does anybody know a bit more about this ? Im also wondering what some of you think about the concept of attaining a pure light body and how such an idea relates to what you perceive to be the path you are on.
“The realised Dzogchen practitioner, no longer deluded by apparent substantiality or dualism such as mind and matter, releases the energy of the elements that compose the physical body at the time of death."
I have seen many people speaking of being realized , self realized , awakened , enlightened or what have you.. My question is this , and i'm not trying to be snide If it so - Why are you still here ? Surely someone that has came to the point where they meditate most of their waking life , would prefer to exist in a reality where the mind is no longer bothered by the physical body and where experience is no longer limited by the limitations of that same body.
Overall..I guess i'm just trying to play around with this term and see how you guys feel about it.
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Re: Rainbow Body [Re: jivJaN]
#13388607 - 10/26/10 02:36 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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in my opinion,
you dont need psychedelics to hallucinate. With mediation and practice, your brain can do it naturally.
kinda like candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker exceept for your mind .
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I consider myself having experienced the state the Buddhists aspire to. I am not always there. The minute you get frustrated with something, you're back in samsara, so to speak. I think it's more a faith or confidence than a lot of hard work. Maybe it takes hard work to experience that faith/confidence, but mostly, once you pass a certain threshold, you're over the hill and you're not coming back... you'll never believe it's 'real' again.
And I come here because I ought to be in touch with intelligent people. My friends live in a different part of the state and I don't see them often.
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Re: Rainbow Body [Re: jivJaN]
#13388836 - 10/26/10 04:45 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why someone who is self realized would remain in the body after seeing its not what they are? Its not like they suddenly consider it dirty & beneath them, its still a sacred form that should be honored, your here in this form as a part of the process of your karma being resolved. If your ready to leave the body for a lighter body, or even no body, im sure it will happen, theres been many reports of that kinda thing happening. Also some sages show no love to their body after waking up, they discard it, some still honor the body & look after it even more...its just depends  I think its amazing how waking up to the same one truth brings about even more diversity & creation
The whole point of self realization i feel is to be realized while still in the body, so you can taste freedom while alive! Freedom while your dead is fine but theres nobody left to know they are free, liberation while in the body is the whole point of creation imo Infinity experiencing itself through form, thats what 'life' is
There is an evolution from gross bodies to subtle bodies, so it's good to evolve of course, but also good to remember you are none of the bodies, its a process of refinement that paradoxically happens to NOTHING. And the more you allow it to happen, the more you let go, the lighter your body gets. Theres nothing i've found more enjoyable than filling my physical body with light/lightness to the point you can't feel a body anymore, if you come back from that experience you come back for a reason. Some do stay there though, once they are swallowed their body becomes almost dead.
Also remember someone could look totally bound by their physical body but inside their mind is in full limitless rapture of its bodiless nature
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Re: Rainbow Body [Re: Chronic7]
#13388904 - 10/26/10 06:22 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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My consciousness turned into a white light whilst meditating on mushrooms, and myself and the nature around me was seen as energy light bodies while meditating sober.
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Re: Rainbow Body [Re: wellage]
#13388954 - 10/26/10 06:51 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its been prooven that everything emits light, pretty cool
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Re: Rainbow Body [Re: Chronic7]
#13389202 - 10/26/10 08:50 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
“The realised Dzogchen practitioner, no longer deluded by apparent substantiality or dualism such as mind and matter, releases the energy of the elements that compose the physical body at the time of death." Why are you still here ?
Cuz nobody here is at time of death. We are still very much alive.
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Quote:
circastes said: I consider myself having experienced the state the Buddhists aspire to. I am not always there....Maybe it takes hard work to experience that faith/confidence, but mostly, once you pass a certain threshold, you're over the hill and you're not coming back... you'll never believe it's 'real' again.
I have no idea what a rainbow body is but...What he said.
When you say here do you mean Shroomery or "here" as in being alive?
I am guessing you mean it in the alive state. I've thought about this a lot and it seems to me that when you reach a certain level of understanding you move beyond need.
While that includes the "need" to be "here", it also covers the "need" to NOT be "here". There is no attachment/expectation either way.
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Re: Rainbow Body [Re: Cups]
#13389718 - 10/26/10 11:06 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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the reason for attaining rainbow body is that it allows one to be of aid to more sentient beings and more easily - compared to having a physical form - it's even said that upon attaining rainbow body 2000 other people spontaneously reach enlightenment (but I don't know if this is true)
it isn't a case of 'discarding the body' though, as it occurs after one has already died while their consciousness is still tied to the body. though it can also happen while one is still alive, which is an even higher level of attainment called great transference that very few people have supposedly achieved. with this people just disappear one day and no one knows where they went heh - this is the attainment Padmasambhava achieved among some others
i'm in the nyingma sect of tibetan buddhism and am going to steer into dzogchen practice, so rainbow body would be my ultimate aim as a practitioner
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Quote:
MarcTheMushroom said: in my opinion,
you dont need psychedelics to hallucinate. With mediation and practice, your brain can do it naturally.
kinda like candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker exceept for your mind .
sorry but i have no idea how that has anything to do with the OP. maybe im missing something
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Re: Rainbow Body [Re: jivJaN]
#13389730 - 10/26/10 11:09 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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here's a great thread about rainbow body from another forum, and about why it is so unique: http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=1886
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Re: Rainbow Body [Re: Chronic7]
#13390072 - 10/26/10 12:29 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Chronic said: Its been prooven that everything emits light, pretty cool 
Except for black holes... although I suppose they do emit Hawking radiation.
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Re: Rainbow Body [Re: deCypher]
#13390095 - 10/26/10 12:32 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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although I suppose they do emit Hawking radiation.

im not sure if that was meant to be funny , but i laughed.
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Re: Rainbow Body [Re: jivJaN]
#13390858 - 10/26/10 03:24 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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ok so I read some of those pages.
Not to step on anyone's toes here but do any of you guys really believe you can reach a level of enlightenment such that your body disappears when you die? Yoda style?
Seems kinda silly...
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Re: Rainbow Body [Re: Cups]
#13390991 - 10/26/10 03:56 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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what is physical matter?
according to some apparently enlightened sources, everything in existence is consciousness
with this view, and enough wisdom, i think it might very well be possible
there have been a number of documented cases you can read about of it, but if you believe in it or not is up to you
the theory is that they 'undo' the physical aggregation process of elements that compose their body through manipulating the subtle energy that runs through the channels connected to the body - or something like that
the actual theory of the phenomenon is supposed to be much more complex and subtle than that, and requires extensive teaching on dzogchen to understand
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Re: Rainbow Body [Re: jivJaN]
#13393084 - 10/26/10 11:22 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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"The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light." Matty 6:22
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One of the most interesting verses in the NT IMO.
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