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Re: Cigarette tea [Re: blujay]
    #13390235 - 10/26/10 12:59 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Yall passed the test, good.

B'lev r' naught most fulk rund' hurr actaly agre w/shi liek that!~





i know it's so ridiulous...

just because someone finds away of doing something different doesnt mean that it'll be better for you..

look at cocaine..

just because you dont have to snort it anymore, doesnt mean that its any better for you..

i'm sure this is how that started

" say jim... i love cocaine.. but my nose has been bleeding and i'm tired of snorting it of of things and bumping from pen caps...what say we find out how to make it smokeable,.. that should be better for us right?"


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Re: Cigarette tea [Re: blujay]
    #13390267 - 10/26/10 01:04 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Snus is the shit!  Dip is fermented and that's why you feel sick from swallowing it also contains much more Nitrosamines which are the cancer causing agents.  Cigarettes contain 1-2 mg of nicotine and snus 4-17mg of nicotine so I doubt the amount would be enough to kill you, but overdosing on nicotine
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Re: Cigarette tea [Re: Synocybin]
    #13390282 - 10/26/10 01:06 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Synocybin said:
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blujay said:
Yall passed the test, good.

B'lev r' naught most fulk rund' hurr actaly agre w/shi liek that!~





i know it's so ridiulous...

just because someone finds away of doing something different doesnt mean that it'll be better for you..

look at cocaine..

just because you dont have to snort it anymore, doesnt mean that its any better for you..

i'm sure this is how that started

" say jim... i love cocaine.. but my nose has been bleeding and i'm tired of snorting it of of things and bumping from pen caps...what say we find out how to make it smokeable,.. that should be better for us right?"


:nonono:




*buys four cartons*

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Re: Cigarette tea [Re: ChronicCluster]
    #13390313 - 10/26/10 01:15 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Familiar Chemicals in Cigarettes

Chemical          Found in:

carbon monoxide    car exhaust  //found in any burned material.  If you smoke anything, you inhale this.  Not dangerous at all except it has a higher affinity for hemoglobin than O2

nicotine          bug sprays        //  Caffeine is also an insecticide.  doesn't really apply in my opinion.

tar                material to make roads    //anything smoked will contain various amount of this... 

arsenic            rat poison  //Because arsenic is so widespread, many foods contain significant amounts of
arsenic. For most humans our greatest single exposure source is through food and
water. Foods may contain 10 to 100 ug of arsenic per kilogram (ppm). The
normal dietary arsenic intake is about 25-50 ug per day. source - here

ammonia            cleaning products  //Ammonia is present in foods. Ammonia in peanut butter (489 ppm), American cheese (813 ppm), and domestic blue cheese (1,376 ppm). The typical ammonia aroma of Brie and Camembert cheeses indicates higher levels of ammonia.

hydrogen cyanide    gas chamber poison

cyanide              deadly poison

acetone            nail polish remover

butane              cigarette lighter fluid

DDT                  insecticides

formaldehyde        to preserve dead bodies

sulfuric acid        car batteries

cadmium              used to recharge batteries

freon              damages earth's ozone layer

geranic acid        a fragrance

methoprene        a pesticide

maltitol          a sweetener not permitted to be used in foods in the U.S.

Sources: Dr. Joel Dunnington, Tobacco Almanac, Revised, May 1993.





seems pretty clear cut,arsenic poison



I don't feel like going through the rest of the list.  we are exposed to almost every single one of those on a daily basis.
Saying that "this contains that, therefor this is bad"  is not very accurate at all.

It all depends on how much is in a cig.




i can only think of 1 or 2 that i "might" be exposed to on a weekly or monthly basis.  Some you are more than likely to never or rarely be exposed to unless your using tabacco.  However if your using tabacco you get all of them at the same time.  And then to ingest it in a way not intended is just insane.  To try and downplay how dangerous this is doesn't seem very accurate to me either.  The bottom line is you don't want to be drinking tabacco tea that contains all that crap.  Not to mention tabacco causes cancer and kills, which by the way has happened from ingesting to much.  And yah i agree it will depend on how much you take on weither or not you die, end up in the hospital, or just puke your guts out.  Sure a person might be able to zero in on 3 drops of tea or something, but seriously with a list of chemicals like that its just insane, just why?  Pure nicotine...sure i guess i could see that


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Re: Cigarette tea [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #13390363 - 10/26/10 01:24 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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i can only think of 1 or 2 that i "might" be exposed to on a weekly or monthly basis.




check your quote that I quoted and put comments in after a comment sign. =P
I listed two that a lot of people are exposed to on a couple times per week basis.
I can go through the rest of the list if you want....

Some of them are not that dangerous except for much higher doses than a simple cig can give you.
Acetone is one of those, butane is one of those.

Cyanide is present in many foods...

I agree that cigs are bad for your health, but I do not believe it is for the reasons listed.


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Re: Cigarette tea [Re: ChronicCluster]
    #13390411 - 10/26/10 01:34 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

:blush:yah ok you got me but look it was a trick i tricked you!:laugh:

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In the United States, arsenic is most commonly found in the ground waters of the southwest.[45] Parts of New England, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota and the Dakotas are also known to have significant[clarification needed] concentrations of arsenic in ground water. Increased levels of skin cancer have been associated with arsenic exposure in Wisconsin, even at levels below the 10 part per billion drinking water standard.[46] According to a recent film funded by the US Superfund, millions of private wells have unknown arsenic levels, and in some areas of the US, over 20% of wells may contain levels that exceed established limits.[4




see where im going with this:lol:


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Re: Cigarette tea [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #13390440 - 10/26/10 01:39 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Not only would that suck, but even if it worked, it wouldn't be worth it.


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Re: Cigarette tea [Re: ROFL_my_ WAFFLE]
    #13390447 - 10/26/10 01:41 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Oh it would work - doing that same exact thing with maybe just a tiny bit higher dosage is one of the best ways to kill someone all sneakly like :crazy2:


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Re: Cigarette tea [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #13390508 - 10/26/10 01:54 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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makaveli8x8 said:
:blush:yah ok you got me but look it was a trick i tricked you!:laugh:

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In the United States, arsenic is most commonly found in the ground waters of the southwest.[45] Parts of New England, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota and the Dakotas are also known to have significant[clarification needed] concentrations of arsenic in ground water. Increased levels of skin cancer have been associated with arsenic exposure in Wisconsin, even at levels below the 10 part per billion drinking water standard.[46] According to a recent film funded by the US Superfund, millions of private wells have unknown arsenic levels, and in some areas of the US, over 20% of wells may contain levels that exceed established limits.[4




see where im going with this:lol:



Nope, not really.  Define "increased levels."
you have access to the original doument that has the original quote in it?  Does it tell how much arsenic is in an average cig?  Or an average pack?
or any of those chems really...

a 1% increase is still an increase...  How much of an increase are we talking here?  I would assume that it is significant, but I learned LONG ago that people use words like that to hide the amount of the increase....

Wow, 10ppb is the drinking water standard, and some foods can contain that much? :tinfoil:

TBH I'm not really sure ow you tricked me, but maybe I'm just being dense.
BTW have I rated you yet?  You deserve 5 :mushroom2: for the decent conversation!


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Re: Cigarette tea [Re: ChronicCluster]
    #13390556 - 10/26/10 02:07 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

what i was getting at is these chemicals listed, are dangerous, in the quote i posted it was shown to caused increased cancer below the water standard, which would show that these chemicals are even more dangerous than we suspect.

basically the trick was you listed all the chemicals we come in contact with for me, and if were already in contact with them and already having problems then increasing the levels even more would be a bad idea,  so even if cigs do happen to have a small percentage you have to add that into what were getting from other sources aka whats already in our bodies, and also accumilations over time


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Re: Cigarette tea [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #13390588 - 10/26/10 02:17 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I use cig tea as an insecticide for my plants, wouldnt drink it

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Re: Cigarette tea [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #13390595 - 10/26/10 02:19 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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makaveli8x8 said:
what i was getting at is these chemicals listed, are dangerous, in the quote i posted it was shown to caused increased cancer below the water standard, which would show that these chemicals are even more dangerous than we suspect.

basically the trick was you listed all the chemicals we come in contact with for me, and if were already in contact with them and already having problems then increasing the levels even more would be a bad idea,  so even if cigs do happen to have a small percentage you have to add that into what were getting from other sources aka whats already in our bodies, and also accumilations over time



Very nice.

I would like to see the actual numbers before I finalize my thoughts on this,
But nice.  Now we know that at least one of the ingredients can cause an increase in cancer (rates, i assume?) at levels deemed to be safe.
But how much are we actually getting?

Theoretically you are right. 

But arsenic tolerance can also build up over time.
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Arsenic is a toxin that binds to and inactivates proteins that are essential to metabolism.  However it can be inactivated in the body by enzymes called metallothionines, and the presence of arsenic can induce liver cells to produce more of these.  If small quantities of arsenic are consumed over a period of time, then enzyme production will be induced more often and background levels will increase, thus allowing you to survive a dose of arsenic that would normally be lethal. 



I'll survive levels of arsenic that you won't!!  :smoker:

But back on topic, does the tolerance apply to the *increased* levels of cancer?  Are you eventually immunized to even those effects?


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Re: Cigarette tea [Re: ChronicCluster]
    #13390671 - 10/26/10 02:40 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

stop being such a pussy and just do it.

put one cigarrette in 8 ounces of boiling water, let it steep for three to five minutes, sweeten to taste and enjoy.

then, after you have a marvelously enchanting time, write us a trip report (you can cite the doctors notes from the ER) so the world will know.

plants and insects are pussies, of course they can't handle it.


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Re: Cigarette tea [Re: wwonka]
    #13390707 - 10/26/10 02:48 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Oh my god that sounds unpleasant. I made a tobac brew to take care of some spider mites this year, I got a little nauseous just from handling it too much, but tobacco is nasty anyways.


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Re: Cigarette tea [Re: wwonka]
    #13390708 - 10/26/10 02:48 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah someone do it for the sake of science :naughty:

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Re: Cigarette tea [Re: blujay]
    #13390726 - 10/26/10 02:53 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

this sounds so disgusting. :scat:

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Re: Cigarette tea [Re: mellowparty]
    #13390737 - 10/26/10 02:56 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I haven't smoked in six days, so actually this thread has me itching nuts. (cold turkey from a pack a day for slightly less than three months)

Back when i was smokin I took a nic patch while smoking once. That was :awesome:


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Re: Cigarette tea [Re: blujay]
    #13390757 - 10/26/10 03:00 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

:snitch:

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Re: Cigarette tea [Re: Enlightenedwon]
    #13390763 - 10/26/10 03:02 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

you will suffer cardiac arrest.. This is a common concoction used in penitentiaries, for the inmate to commit suicide..


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Re: Cigarette tea [Re: mellowparty]
    #13390770 - 10/26/10 03:05 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

If I was ever addicted to cigarettes, I'd probably just synthesize myself some nicotine and save myself the lung problems. I plan to synthesize thc one day. Maybe one of the more potent and longer lasting variations.


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