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Sticking with the natural stuff?
#13379947 - 10/24/10 11:55 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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So right now I kind of have this philosophy to not try acid because it's manmade, and I want to stick with more natural stuff, such as shrooms and cactus (and obviously weed). Unfortunately, where I'm from, shrooms are hard to come by, and I can't really make cactus tee from cuttings i can buy online because my roommates wouldn't be cool with that. Acid, on the other hand, is much more available here. Should I stay true to my philosophy and stick with the great substances mother nature provided, or abandon that? Does anybody else have this philosophy?
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: bdub]
#13379963 - 10/24/10 11:58 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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is semi-synthetic meaning it's precusors are natural but to get the exact chemical it is synthesized. It's your call but my favorite experiences in life have been on it.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: bdub]
#13379969 - 10/24/10 11:59 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, that philosophy is stupid.
Whether a chemical is man-made or not really makes no difference. Nature can produce poisons that will fuck you up, and humans can synthesize some pretty awesome, non-toxic chemicals.
Why do you care whether the drugs you take came from a mushroom or a human?
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: NetDiver]
#13379995 - 10/24/10 12:05 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just feel like it has a more spiritual meaning if something came from the earth, and then makes you feel connected to the earth
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: NetDiver]
#13380008 - 10/24/10 12:07 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said: No, that philosophy is stupid.
Whether a chemical is man-made or not really makes no difference. Nature can produce poisons that will fuck you up, and humans can synthesize some pretty awesome, non-toxic chemicals.
Why do you care whether the drugs you take came from a mushroom or a human?
I think on the contrary that the difference is excactly why you make it in the first place.
Also lsd is fake.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: NetDiver]
#13380010 - 10/24/10 12:07 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said: No, that philosophy is stupid.
Whether a chemical is man-made or not really makes no difference. Nature can produce poisons that will fuck you up, and humans can synthesize some pretty awesome, non-toxic chemicals.
Why do you care whether the drugs you take came from a mushroom or a human?
I hate calling other peoples philosophies or theories stupid. But in this case i couldn't agree more. Mainly because im sick of people saying this when they have no fucking idea what their talking about. Not many people actually look up information about their drugs, or know how it affects them.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: bdub]
#13380017 - 10/24/10 12:09 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can sympathize with you OP.
I recommend trying LSA as opposed to LSD if your preference is natural substances. Although many would say LSD is much better many others have disagreed. It all depends on the person and their biochemistry.
LSA can be acquired quite easily and readily. Research it and look up Morning Glory Seeds as well as Hawaiian Baby Woodrose. LSA is similar to LSD but very different altogether. You will find that ingestion will take place via the seeds. In many cases people throw up, if you want to avoid this as well as nausea look up extraction techniques that encourage the primary psychoactive components to be taken as part of a concoction (drink/soup/etc).
Best to you.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Dyingjezuz]
#13380018 - 10/24/10 12:09 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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People come from earth, but you seem to not like intervention by the human mind?
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Dyingjezuz]
#13380033 - 10/24/10 12:12 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Think about this: ORGANIC chemistry
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Dyingjezuz]
#13380034 - 10/24/10 12:12 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also OP one thing you should know is that shrooms and lsd are both under the category of tryptamine drugs. They both have a similar function, acting on the 5-ht2 serotonin receptors. This is why i get annoyed with people that will take shrooms because there natural but not lsd. It is their choice, but its a choice that has almost no meaning behind it.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: bdub]
#13380044 - 10/24/10 12:15 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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bdub said: I just feel like it has a more spiritual meaning if something came from the earth, and then makes you feel connected to the earth
Acid makes you feel connected to the whole Universe.
Also, it's only semi-synthetic... it's made using the ergot fungus.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Everything]
#13380054 - 10/24/10 12:17 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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The term organic, as used in organic chemistry, is a misnomer. It has nothing to do with whether a substance is synthetic or natural.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: NetDiver]
#13380073 - 10/24/10 12:23 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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There are lots of organic users out there. I used to be one of them but after trying some rc's....
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Samurai Drifter said:and humans can synthesize some pretty awesome, non-toxic chemicals
Figured out this is so true! Chemistry is like god's work changing molecules at their core, creating and altering the world around us.
Do what you want, it's ok to change the way you think/feel/believe...
And if the lsd is genuine then it is totally worth doing. imo..
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there is no such thing as unnatural substances, in the end everything comes from nature... also you say you obviously use weed, but the weed you smoke comes from a plant that has been adjusted, cross breeded and grown in perfect but 'unnatural' environments - all with the aid of science.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: dokunai]
#13380184 - 10/24/10 12:58 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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dokunai said: The term organic, as used in organic chemistry, is a misnomer. It has nothing to do with whether a substance is synthetic or natural.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: SummerDaisies]
#13380188 - 10/24/10 01:00 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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alright alright guys, chill. i'll just do acid haha
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: bdub]
#13380191 - 10/24/10 01:01 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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you were the one who asked for our opinions
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: SummerDaisies]
#13380235 - 10/24/10 01:11 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah, and I appreciate all of the input, you guys have swayed me
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: bdub]
#13380242 - 10/24/10 01:12 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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niiice
have fun man
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: bdub]
#13380296 - 10/24/10 01:25 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Acid, mushrooms, mescaline, are all right there on the same level, if you ask me. They are all equally capable and comparable. The only difference, that could make acid more 'dangerous', as far as I'm concerned, is the extreme potency, making accidental massive doses happen more often than with the other two, especially san pedro.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Everything]
#13380318 - 10/24/10 01:30 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Everything said: Also OP one thing you should know is that shrooms and lsd are both under the category of tryptamine drugs.
LSD is an ergine. It's not a tryptamine.
α-amanitin is natural, but does that make good to put in your body? Natural vs unnatural is a completely arbitrary and ridiculous concept.
Edit: sorry, I see you've changed your mind. You won't regret it. LSD is absolutely incredible. A step below mescaline, but far better than mushrooms imo.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: drr]
#13380368 - 10/24/10 01:41 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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LSA: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Ergine.png
LSD: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/LSD_2D,_3D.png
You be the judge on the difference between "natural" and "man-made." You could be a smartass and say 8 hydrogens and 4 carbons.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Alby]
#13383083 - 10/24/10 11:35 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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so guys, any recommendations for a first time dosage with syd?
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: bdub]
#13383096 - 10/24/10 11:38 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Tabs can vary in potency from 20µg-150µg. So there's really not much we can tell you. Try one at first, and if it's equal in visual potency to about 2 grams of mushrooms, keep that guy's number.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: bdub]
#13383109 - 10/24/10 11:41 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Two hits. Whats natural and whats not is just a bunch of semantics...why limit your mind expansion to just one set of drugs is my view on the subject.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: rezen]
#13383362 - 10/25/10 01:05 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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You should ask the person you're buying them from what they recommend for a first time. Two hits can be overwhelming if the tab contains plenty of LSD.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Choiceless]
#13384089 - 10/25/10 07:54 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Acid is a chemical not a "NATURAL" thing made and produced from this earth.
Depending on your quality of acid LSD is more "HEALTHIER" then an advil tablet.
You will know when you get a nice CLEAN acid with no body load completely a psychedelic.
Mushrooms Marijuana LSD all in the same category (Psychedelics). Marijuana is just a little more damaging then eating LSD or mushrooms ...if smoked if you eat or vaporize your marijuana then its just as safe.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: BothHands]
#13384095 - 10/25/10 07:58 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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BothHands said:
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Everything said: Also OP one thing you should know is that shrooms and lsd are both under the category of tryptamine drugs.
LSD is an ergine. It's not a tryptamine.
α-amanitin is natural, but does that make good to put in your body? Natural vs unnatural is a completely arbitrary and ridiculous concept.
Edit: sorry, I see you've changed your mind. You won't regret it. LSD is absolutely incredible. A step below mescaline, but far better than mushrooms imo.
Lol I'd have to disagree there LSD is defiantly not a step below mescaline Mescaline is more of a flow and overlapping visuals LSD is more of a morphing of 3d objects some appearing 2d a lot more of a melting effect on lsd like everything just falls into each other.
Mescaline is defiantly more mellow more of a Glowing kind of trip very.
LSD almost at sometimes feels mechanical compared to mescaline But i wouldn't put it below. for the time LSD lasts and the intensity of the trip LSD is the most potent psychedelic out there for such the small amount that you honestly have to take for a GOOD trip 100-150mg.
Edited by Scruffy404 (10/25/10 08:00 AM)
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Scruffy404]
#13384382 - 10/25/10 10:11 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I took two tabs at first and it was awesome.
ask your dealer
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Scruffy404]
#13384516 - 10/25/10 10:46 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Scruffy404 said:
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BothHands said:
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Everything said: Also OP one thing you should know is that shrooms and lsd are both under the category of tryptamine drugs.
LSD is an ergine. It's not a tryptamine.
α-amanitin is natural, but does that make good to put in your body? Natural vs unnatural is a completely arbitrary and ridiculous concept.
Edit: sorry, I see you've changed your mind. You won't regret it. LSD is absolutely incredible. A step below mescaline, but far better than mushrooms imo.
Lol I'd have to disagree there LSD is defiantly not a step below mescaline Mescaline is more of a flow and overlapping visuals LSD is more of a morphing of 3d objects some appearing 2d a lot more of a melting effect on lsd like everything just falls into each other.
Mescaline is defiantly more mellow more of a Glowing kind of trip very.
LSD almost at sometimes feels mechanical compared to mescaline But i wouldn't put it below. for the time LSD lasts and the intensity of the trip LSD is the most potent psychedelic out there for such the small amount that you honestly have to take for a GOOD trip 100-150mgµg.
Oh, there's no doubt LSD is far more potent. And the best trips of my life have come from LSD. I've only had a few experiences with mescaline, but 2 feet of bridgesii was extremely intense, and euphoric. Though I've never tried it, I'd guess a tea made from 6 feet of bridgesii would definitely rival my 10-strip experiences in intensity, and completely floor them in euphoria.
Of course maybe a thumbprint is far better than any non-lethal dose of mescaline. I don't really know. Just what I get from my own experiences, really.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: BothHands]
#13384645 - 10/25/10 11:29 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just find out how LSD was created and then compare it to the idea of Gaia and so on... where does inspiration come from, do we really come up with our inventions by ourselves etc etc. I've never tried LSD, but I believe that Albert Hoffman was given the experience/invention by a higher being. So, whatever's good, is good.
There are some synthetic psychedelics that can cause pretty bad trips from what I've heard... DXM being one. I don't have anything against trying 'em myself, but if you're scared of bad trips, you might want to steer clear.
LSD should be fine, there are so many beneficial sides to it... it's almost the same as psilocybin/psilocin anyway.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: bdub]
#13384743 - 10/25/10 12:05 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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i think that the "natural excuse" is just a way for people to say they are afraid to try other drugs...its such a cop out
the fact is that the drugs are illegal and unregulated, anyone can do anything to your drugs, natural or synthetic
and some natural drugs are way more dangerous and harmful than synthetic drugs...just bc it grows in the ground doesnt make it safer (opium, datura, coke is kind of natural etc etc)
if u have to ask the question, then i think i already know the answer, defintly try some acid, acid is so much better than shrooms its not even funny...at this point in my life weed is the only natural drug i do, everything else is synthetic, or at least made in a lab to be synthesized
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Qualophile]
#13384774 - 10/25/10 12:14 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Qualophile said: Just find out how LSD was created and then compare it to the idea of Gaia and so on... where does inspiration come from, do we really come up with our inventions by ourselves etc etc. I've never tried LSD, but I believe that Albert Hoffman was given the experience/invention by a higher being. So, whatever's good, is good.
There are some synthetic psychedelics that can cause pretty bad trips from what I've heard... DXM being one. I don't have anything against trying 'em myself, but if you're scared of bad trips, you might want to steer clear.
LSD should be fine, there are so many beneficial sides to it... it's almost the same as psilocybin/psilocin anyway.
LSD is a synthetic psychedelic if i remember correctly its synthesized from ergot. DXM and all those are RC's (Research Chemicals) Would stay clear of those every way possible there hasn't been enough study or use on them to prove there "health effects"
I duno sometimes a bad trip is all you need to really understand something such as LSD you can't always fly high and expect the best...there will be a low and I think to many people especially new users think way to much on having a bad trip or what if this what if that...eventually leading to a bad trip in its self and they don't realize it before its to late and start to panic and freak out. I truly believe bad trips are given to the people who don't know how to let go who hold on to everything for as long as they can when this Bad trip tells them otherwise they try to shut it out when really they should be opening up and letting it all flow in.
I think having a "bad" trip is good in some cases if you can take whatever experience you had and actually learn from it and applies it to a positive thing "next time" somewhere down the road.
Edited by Scruffy404 (10/25/10 12:16 PM)
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Scruffy404]
#13385859 - 10/25/10 04:16 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah I think everyone is bound to have a bad trip eventually because the universe is balanced and as so you can't have the good without some bad. IMO I think a bad trip could more easily come from shrooms than with LSD but everyone is different. From my experiences though LSD is a pretty forgiving chemical and shifting moods/thoughts is more easily done than when using shrooms.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: rezen]
#13385905 - 10/25/10 04:26 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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rezen said: Yeah I think everyone is bound to have a bad trip eventually because the universe is balanced and as so you can't have the good without some bad. IMO I think a bad trip could more easily come from shrooms than with LSD but everyone is different. From my experiences though LSD is a pretty forgiving chemical and shifting moods/thoughts is more easily done than when using shrooms.
I think it go's hand in hand with both if you take a hefty mound of shrooms say over 14G you be in one "hell" of a night If you some how found a lsd dose to be just as equal strength I think you have just as equal chance at having bad trip. if not a little more just because of the insanely intense break through that you can achieve on cid.(large amounts especially in one sitting...) you know...
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: BothHands]
#13385931 - 10/25/10 04:32 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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LSD is an ergine. It's not a tryptamine.
It's both and more. There's also a DMT hidden in it.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Moo456]
#13385936 - 10/25/10 04:33 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Moo456 said:
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LSD is an ergine. It's not a tryptamine.
It's both and more. There's also a DMT hidden in it.
HiddenDMT ? like deep within a box ? Can you show me this?
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Moo456]
#13385952 - 10/25/10 04:37 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, it has a tryptamine part, and it also has a phenethylamine part. But in it's entirety, it's an ergoline, not a tryptamine.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: BothHands]
#13385969 - 10/25/10 04:44 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, but it's wrong to say it's not a type of tryptamine. It's like how amphetamines are a type of phenethylamine, or how a square is a type of rectangle.
Aside from that it has many tryptamine qualities, but qualities of other classes too.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Moo456]
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Anyway LSD has been studied more than most natural drugs. Most people who try it find it just as worth the experience as natural psychedelics.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Moo456]
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I think it would be more correct to call it an ergoline with a tryptamine or phenethylamine group. Ergoline is still the backbone.
By that logic, morphine, heroin, and DXM are phenethylamines.
I guess you could argue either way, but it sounds asinine to me.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: BothHands]
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You're right. It's broad to just call it a tryptamine. I forgive you if you forgive me.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Moo456]
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: BothHands]
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: justaguy]
#13387480 - 10/25/10 09:39 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I personally don't like to put chemicals in my body because I truly can feel the difference in my trip. Granted, I've never had any qualms with LSD, but it's the only psych I rarely seek out. The natural ones have always been my thing. I think that the way the chemicals are extracted totally changes the way you relate to the drug. LSD seems like a chemical to me because it has to undergo a partial synthesis from ergot, which undoubtedly realize on harsh solvents and other chemicals, and because it's subjected to that harsh extraction with intense chemicals it feels like a chemical.
But when you take psilocybin, you can extract that chemical from an organic source directly into water and drink that. There's no synthesis whatsoever so there isn't that slight chemical bite.
It doesn't mean LSD is bad, but some people aren't going to like that. I'm one of them; I take as little chemicals as possible. No pills of any kind, nothing based on amphetamine, coke, opiate or any of there analogues. But my choice not to ingest those chemicals is just as legitimate as your choice to take them.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Undertow2012]
#13387508 - 10/25/10 09:45 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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LSD could very well be somewhere in nature we haven't discovered. probly something even better.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
#13387571 - 10/25/10 09:56 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dude it is in nature. It's ergot. When you take it in it's natural form you can die and you go insane, or you get burned for being a witch. Ergot poisoning was the cause of the Salem Witch Trials. LSD-25 has to be synthesized from ergot.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Undertow2012]
#13387591 - 10/25/10 10:02 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ergot has psychedelic alkaloids mixed with poisons. Thats one of the reasons you can't always trust nature. Sometimes you get more than just the chemicals you want.
And no LSD doesn't occur in nature just because it is made from the alkaloids in ergot.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Moo456]
#13387598 - 10/25/10 10:04 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Uhh yeah it does? LSD-25 IS what makes ergot psychdellic. The other alkaloids do terrible things.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: bdub]
#13387620 - 10/25/10 10:09 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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stick with the naturals man... no withdrawals
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Undertow2012]
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Not looking things up is a good way to get flamed. LSD is only created by human controlled synthesis. To synthesize a molecule is to put it together from other molecules. There are ergot alkaloids similar to LSD in ergot, but none of them are this. They have to be modified by chemists to become LSD-25.
This is why LSD has to be synthesized instead of extracted.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Resin.8]
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Resin.8 said: stick with the naturals man... no withdrawals
LSD doesn't cause any type of withdraws either. Withdraws are related to the mechanism of the drug. Ever hear of opium withdraws? Well you can get them from all natural poppy tea.
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Is this the thread all the new age hipsters are descending upon? Jesus fuck.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Undertow2012]
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Society]
#13388557 - 10/26/10 02:19 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've never used psilocybin, I was wanting to use it before trying LSD. However I was unable to get my hands on any mushrooms, so I tried LSD.
I would keep in mind that LSD is semi-synthetic and that it is in ways similar to drugs such as psilocybin.
If you read studies on brain damage from LSD, you will find just like psilocybin that there are no credible studies that show LSD can cause brain damage (someone please correct me if I am wrong.)
LSD is awesome.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Undertow2012] 1
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Undertow2012 said: I personally don't like to put chemicals in my body...
Haha oh really now?
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: bdub]
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bdub said: alright alright guys, chill. i'll just do acid haha
Do what you want. Personally I can't understand that philosophy, but it's up to you! If you REALLY think that there is a major difference between 'natural' and 'man-made' then don't do it. the difference is in your head (IMHO), and it can be a powerful one. Via something similar to the placebo effect, it can make certain things better than others simply by predisposition.
But to me, there is no difference. I would say try it, and then decide if it is worth your time and money, and also whether or not you want to stick with your convictions.
To me, it's like foreign food. Regardless of what it looks like, you gotta try it once or twice to see if it's any good.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Undertow2012]
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Undertow2012 said: Uhh yeah it does? LSD-25 IS what makes ergot psychdellic. The other alkaloids do terrible things.
There is no LSD-25 naturally present in ergot. It has to be synthesized from precursors found in ergot.
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bdub said: alright alright guys, chill. i'll just do acid haha
Do what you want. Personally I can't understand that philosophy, but it's up to you! If you REALLY think that there is a major difference between 'natural' and 'man-made' then don't do it. the difference is in your head (IMHO), and it can be a powerful one. Via something similar to the placebo effect, it can make certain things better than others simply by predisposition.
But to me, there is no difference. I would say try it, and then decide if it is worth your time and money, and also whether or not you want to stick with your convictions.
To me, it's like foreign food. Regardless of what it looks like, you gotta try it once or twice to see if it's any good.
Are you fucked? yeah lets just go smoke this fucking crack rock cause I never tried it before? Oh yeah all shoot up this fucking herion while im here in Iraq cause i never tryed it before.... Dumbest thing i ever fucking heard...There is a HUGE difference b/w Man made chemicals/drugs and natural ones...
Oxycontin is a fucking huge one you say thats the same over good old natural cannabis?? yeah fucking right>?
A fucking shitty crack rock to a Mushroom? Or fucking PCP to LSD?? Come on now Natural is way different then man made . It might not be in ur fucking head but there's a big difference something this earth has for us to pick, eat, catch, etc...and then something made in a fucking LAB with rats to test it on...Go smoke another one.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Scruffy404]
#13397515 - 10/27/10 09:18 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sure, heroin is evil, but opium's just A-OK, huh? Get over yourself.
Nature has just as many dangerous chemicals as the laboratories.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Scruffy404]
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Scruffy404 said: Are you fucked? yeah lets just go smoke this fucking crack rock cause I never tried it before? Oh yeah all shoot up this fucking herion while im here in Iraq cause i never tryed it before.... Dumbest thing i ever fucking heard...There is a HUGE difference b/w Man made chemicals/drugs and natural ones...
Oxycontin is a fucking huge one you say thats the same over good old natural cannabis?? yeah fucking right>?
A fucking shitty crack rock to a Mushroom? Or fucking PCP to LSD?? Come on now Natural is way different then man made . It might not be in ur fucking head but there's a big difference something this earth has for us to pick, eat, catch, etc...and then something made in a fucking LAB with rats to test it on...Go smoke another one.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Scruffy404]
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Do what you want. Personally I can't understand that philosophy, but it's up to you! If you REALLY think that there is a major difference between 'natural' and 'man-made' then don't do it. the difference is in your head (IMHO), and it can be a powerful one. Via something similar to the placebo effect, it can make certain things better than others simply by predisposition.
But to me, there is no difference. I would say try it, and then decide if it is worth your time and money, and also whether or not you want to stick with your convictions.
To me, it's like foreign food. Regardless of what it looks like, you gotta try it once or twice to see if it's any good.
Are you fucked? yeah lets just go smoke this fucking crack rock cause I never tried it before? Oh yeah all shoot up this fucking herion while im here in Iraq cause i never tryed it before.... Dumbest thing i ever fucking heard...There is a HUGE difference b/w Man made chemicals/drugs and natural ones...
Oxycontin is a fucking huge one you say thats the same over good old natural cannabis?? yeah fucking right>?
A fucking shitty crack rock to a Mushroom? Or fucking PCP to LSD?? Come on now Natural is way different then man made . It might not be in ur fucking head but there's a big difference something this earth has for us to pick, eat, catch, etc...and then something made in a fucking LAB with rats to test it on...Go smoke another one.
Dumb... Cocaine is natural, and therefore so is crack, because they are essentially the same thing. Opium contains morphine. Not oxycontin or heroin but really close. And LSD is man made, not natural.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: drr]
#13397725 - 10/27/10 09:55 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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A better idea is to stick to stuff that still appeals to you after researching it, regardless of origin.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: bdub]
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bdub said: So right now I kind of have this philosophy to not try acid because it's manmade, and I want to stick with more natural stuff, such as shrooms and cactus (and obviously weed). Unfortunately, where I'm from, shrooms are hard to come by, and I can't really make cactus tee from cuttings i can buy online because my roommates wouldn't be cool with that. Acid, on the other hand, is much more available here. Should I stay true to my philosophy and stick with the great substances mother nature provided, or abandon that? Does anybody else have this philosophy?
Wow, how stoned age of you. To think nature can outdo the glory of man.
I mean how naive to think nature is better.. That is just... Do you have toilet paper in nature? Toilet paper, now thats as far as ill go with the toiletries...
But how about Cooked Meat, is delicious cooked meat, or veggies that comon in nature? Is it natural man? Now really think about it, is it?
Shit yoiu arent even natural, your an intergallactic earth mammlian hominoid type being thats got Neanderthal, UFO, gorilla and chimpanzee in your 'naturalness'
How naturally beautiful do you think that gorilla interspecies gorilla loving is now huh? Is that natural?
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: DoSedLiving]
#13397763 - 10/27/10 10:01 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I changed my philosophy since posting this, but it wasn't really about "trusting" man-made drugs, or whether or not they were safer. I only held that philosophy because I feel like since they are a part of nature, they could open my head towards nature and feel more connected to nature. It was a spiritual thing, not a "I don't trust mankind" thing. A lot of you don't/didn't seem to get that.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: bdub]
#13397772 - 10/27/10 10:03 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shrooms and mescaline have both let me feel incredibly intense connections to nature, so I can recommend them for that purpose without hesitation.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: bdub]
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bdub said: I changed my philosophy since posting this, but it wasn't really about "trusting" man-made drugs, or whether or not they were safer. I only held that philosophy because I feel like since they are a part of nature, they could open my head towards nature and feel more connected to nature. It was a spiritual thing, not a "I don't trust mankind" thing. A lot of you don't/didn't seem to get that.
Yeah man but sometimes its ok to say fuck our gorilla instincts and not simply stick to natural stuff. but not go with ou UFO whatever instinct remnatns and go all psyched out and psych out minds with th eunivers and be able to talk with our alien counterbeings.. But be more of a homo erectus type dude and just enjoy the plethora of what whatever the fuck, wherever the fuck has what ever the fuck it doin to wha i dunno but its up to you
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: DoSedLiving]
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bdub said: I changed my philosophy since posting this, but it wasn't really about "trusting" man-made drugs, or whether or not they were safer. I only held that philosophy because I feel like since they are a part of nature, they could open my head towards nature and feel more connected to nature. It was a spiritual thing, not a "I don't trust mankind" thing. A lot of you don't/didn't seem to get that.
Yeah man but sometimes its ok to say fuck our gorilla instincts and not simply stick to natural stuff. but not go with ou UFO whatever instinct remnatns and go all psyched out and psych out minds with th eunivers and be able to talk with our alien counterbeings.. But be more of a homo erectus type dude and just enjoy the plethora of what whatever the fuck, wherever the fuck has what ever the fuck it doin to wha i dunno but its up to you
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No man, im just on another level. Think about it slightly abstractly, and even completely on some:)
I think its a lot better than most of the shit on here, and good point in there as well. intrested... interesting
i really think humans are like a combo of multiple species and living things btw................................
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: DoSedLiving]
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You sound somewhat like a guy I once met while he was on PCP. Not trying to be insulting, but you're not making much sense, at least to me.
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Yeah Its fine, im not used to people understanding me.
I am just a crazy genius.. lol. What a life..
But yeah, i dont think i ever met you on PCP though if your in arkansas
Basically to understand me you must becoe creative yourself and paint my words with your own interpreations so to speak, i introduse a fluidity into y speech or try to. To that is not just black and white but a painting get it?
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: DoSedLiving]
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What in the hell are you on?
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: BothHands]
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It's like "Oh I won't take this acid because someone made it, but ill drink a diet coke, take ibuprofen, drive a car and totally surround my life with man made stuff. But the acid is different". I mean aspartame is a horrible, horrible chemical. Wonder to . It's in tons and tons of different shit you probably eat on t daily basis. If you wanna forget man made stuff, thats a good choice. Really. But why would you wannna draw moral boundaries on anything just because it's man made ? I bet you my ride that your car and shelter is man made !
Think it through more brotha.
I could care less what is natural and synthetic. Simply because a chemical is a chemical regardless of how it was created. Mushrooms can be way poisonous, and you can OD on both cacti and mush ( very hard and unlikely I know) but im sure you have heard that as far as you physiology goes, the lsd is safer.
Myself, yeah I prefer shit picked from the ground. I'm an organic kinda guy, vegan as well. Typically people like me would be preaching the whole "all natural" thing. Ya gotta be open minded yo.
Besides, who's to say what is natural and what isn't. IMHO EVERYTHING on our plantet earth is natural. Remember how large and long the universe has been around.
Take the damn acid brotha man.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: bdub]
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bdub said: I changed my philosophy since posting this, but it wasn't really about "trusting" man-made drugs, or whether or not they were safer. I only held that philosophy because I feel like since they are a part of nature, they could open my head towards nature and feel more connected to nature. It was a spiritual thing, not a "I don't trust mankind" thing. A lot of you don't/didn't seem to get that.
Don't worry about it. People just want to vent their opinion about this issue.
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Moo456]
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bdub said: I changed my philosophy since posting this, but it wasn't really about "trusting" man-made drugs, or whether or not they were safer. I only held that philosophy because I feel like since they are a part of nature, they could open my head towards nature and feel more connected to nature. It was a spiritual thing, not a "I don't trust mankind" thing. A lot of you don't/didn't seem to get that.
Don't worry about it. People just want to vent their opinion about this issue.
I second this. I apologize if I came off kinda rude. I'm just used to people gettin in my face about all natural issues. I totally respect when people prefer it. I do as well. If being all natural was convenient I would be all over it. Try giving mushrooms and cacti a try first before you try synthetic stuff.
One thing I will give it to the all naturalist's is that I can deffinitly feel a bewtween the synthetic and natural. I once read that synthetics tend to be more intellectual while natural psych's tend to be more spiritual. Everone has a differen't opinion on this. But as with my experience, which is quite a bit. There is a difference in the two.
But on the other hand lsd has never been made naturally and I have never tried synthetic mescaline or synthetic psilocybin. so I guess I can't really say that I have felt a difference since lsd's only source is synthetic. I know with mush and cacti I could for sure "feel my source" and not so much with lsd. If that means anything special to you I dunno.
Lsd, without a doubt has been by far the most beneficial to me though. While mescaline was the most profound thing I have ever done. I don't even like comparing any of them since they all their own place ya know ?
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Oh an another thing, I found lsd to be really similar to mescaline ( at the same time they are way different, I know) but to me mushrooms were never anything but a toy. I did everything I could to connect with them but it just didn't happen. But mescaline on the other hand has SOOOO much potential for me. Maybe you to. To me mesc was like "natures acid" is the best way I could put it. It was strikingly similar. Does anyone agree here ?
Personally I think that if you take mescaline, you won't have to worry about missing out on what lsd has to offer. It might just be a little differen't. Mescaline will make any drug look like a toy when it comes down to it (imho). I can't wait to explore it more. Get into cacti dude and don't even worry about deciding on synthetic stuff. It will always be around in case you decide to later-
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I'm always amazed about this giant dichotomy involving "natural vs. unnatural".Seriously? Man, some people... If you don't want to take (not OP or anyone, general statement) don't want to take anything but fungi and mescaline-containing cacti, that's fine. There are plenty of psychedelics found in nature, so you'd have a nice variety. But I think there's plenty of possibility involving synthetic compounds, RCs and such. I've had some good experiences with 2c-e, for example. While maybe not as vastly profound as my fungi or cacti excursions, they're still par the course and I did find them extremely fulfilling-I got what I'd gone there for, as it were.
It's up to the person, but I say definitely give something a go if you want. Be safe, be responsible. Enjoy what you do, how, where and who you do it with.
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Chronic7
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: bdub]
#13404976 - 10/29/10 06:59 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stick to the shrooms
Im doing one DMT extraction cause it looks fun, will hit it a couple times, one time on shrooms, then im done, only mushrooms & cannabis for me after i've finished the DMT
You can grow shrooms pretty easily btw, much more rewarding growing your own aswell
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Chronic7]
#13405377 - 10/29/10 09:54 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm going to grow some next year when I move into my apartment. My roommates at my dorm right now said "No drugs or alcohol in the room at any time" on the first day. Don't they know we're in college?
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Marijuana, LSA, Alcohol, Psilocybin, Salvia, LSD, Methylone, MDMA, MDA, 4-AcO-DMT, 2C-E, 2C-I, 25C-NBOMe, 6-APB, 4-FA, 2C-B, 5-MeO-MiPT, MXE, DOC, Mescaline, n,n-DMT, DiPT (yeah, that's right, DiPT)
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: bdub]
#13405386 - 10/29/10 10:00 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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bdub said: I'm going to grow some next year when I move into my apartment. My roommates at my dorm right now said "No drugs or alcohol in the room at any time" on the first day. Don't they know we're in college?
damn tell that kid to fuck off
lol when i met my first roommate i got a little bored really fast and decided to rip my vape with my buddy in my room (def the first person to smoke in the dorms that year lol)...and halfway thru the vape my roommate opens the door with his parents and we hid the vape pretty fast, but he sure as hell could take a hint...he sent his parents on his way and proceeded to finish the bowl with us lol
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Bassfreak]
#13405415 - 10/29/10 10:10 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah, of course i haven't been following his rules. I've smoked with him in the room before using the toilet paper roll with dryer sheets, and he hasn't noticed...yet. I wouldn't put it past him to taddle on me...needless to say, I'm not getting along with my roommate haha
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Marijuana, LSA, Alcohol, Psilocybin, Salvia, LSD, Methylone, MDMA, MDA, 4-AcO-DMT, 2C-E, 2C-I, 25C-NBOMe, 6-APB, 4-FA, 2C-B, 5-MeO-MiPT, MXE, DOC, Mescaline, n,n-DMT, DiPT (yeah, that's right, DiPT)
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: bdub]
#13405525 - 10/29/10 10:37 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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that sounds kinda crap but maybe its actually a good thing your not roomies with dudes that your gonna get high with if you know what i mean... that relationship can turn into every night getting super high, so its a blessing in disguise
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Re: Sticking with the natural stuff? [Re: Chronic7]
#13406497 - 10/29/10 02:32 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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haha, good call. now that's looking on the bright side. they're also not trying to steal all my weed, that's for sure
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Marijuana, LSA, Alcohol, Psilocybin, Salvia, LSD, Methylone, MDMA, MDA, 4-AcO-DMT, 2C-E, 2C-I, 25C-NBOMe, 6-APB, 4-FA, 2C-B, 5-MeO-MiPT, MXE, DOC, Mescaline, n,n-DMT, DiPT (yeah, that's right, DiPT)
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