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Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana
    #13375339 - 10/23/10 09:33 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana
October 22, 2010 - californiawatch.org

California voters might soon alter the state law prohibiting marijuana, but the nation’s largest anti-drug education program does not intend to change what it teaches children about the drug.

As it has for more than two decades, the Drug Abuse Resistance Education program – better known as “DARE” – urges youths to abstain from illegal and illicit substances. That includes marijuana, along with harder drugs, steroids and unprescribed pharmaceuticals.

Marijuana will remain on that list even if Proposition 19 wins approval on Nov. 2, said Frank Pegueros, executive director of DARE America.

“The instruction doesn’t change,” Pegueros said. “The environmental conditions change.”

The ballot measure would eliminate most of California’s prohibitions against marijuana possession and use. Prop. 19 supporters argue legalizing marijuana would generate tax revenue. For anti-drug programs, legal pot threatens to complicate their message.

“If it’s legalized there’s obviously going to be increased perception that there’s no harm, that it is an acceptable behavior to engage in. Otherwise it wouldn’t be legal,” Pegueros said.

DARE teams law enforcement with schools, putting police officers in classrooms to explain the ill effects of drug use. The program gained fame (and later, ridicule) in the 1980s with the slogan, “Just Say No.”

Pegueros said DARE has grown to be more than just a drug-abstinence effort and is now focused on providing students accurate information about drugs and alcohol.

Steve Abercrombie, a retired Hayward police officer, provides a marijuana fact sheet to the 22 classes of fifth-graders that he leads through the DARE program in Tracy.

“That fact sheet states that it’s illegal in the United States, which will still be true even if Prop. 19 passes,” he said.

Even if California moves toward legalization of marijuana – beyond what is already allowed for medical use under Proposition 215 – the federal Controlled Substances Act will continue to prohibit marijuana’s sale and use.

Last week, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder ended speculation over how the federal government would respond if voters approve the ballot measure. Federal law enforcement agencies plan to “vigorously enforce” the federal statute against marijuana in California, Holder wrote in a letter to former Drug Enforcement Administration directors.

Concern over Proposition 19’s potential impact might be moot, however. Support for the proposition among likely voters has dropped 8 percentage points since September, according to poll results released this week by the Public Policy Institute of California. The poll found 49 percent of these voters now oppose the measure legalizing marijuana.

DARE also argues against state-voter initiatives that legalized marijuana for medicinal purposes. On its website, the program has a section to provide DARE educators with a rebuttal to questions about medical marijuana, which casts prescription pot as a sham. It includes this exchange:

“Question: What do you think about doctors who prescribe or recommend marijuana to their patients?

Response: There are good doctors and bad doctors just like there are good and bad lawyers, policemen, accountants, and other professionals. I think that a doctor who recommends marijuana to a patient is either a bad doctor or a doctor who is not familiar with the scientific medical literature on marijuana.”

Those kind of absolute positions have earned DARE scorn from some corners.

“You’ll never hear a drug officer (talk) about how veterans returning home are benefiting from MDMA therapy through treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder,” said Aaron Houston, executive director of Students for Sensible Drug Policy.

And DARE’s own efficacy has been seriously challenged in the past.

In 1999, a team of researchers at the University of Kentucky published a study examining whether students who completed the program reported less drug, alcohol and cigarette use.

DARE’s instruction showed no deterrent effect after 10 years, the report said. “Further, results from shorter term studies are no more encouraging; these studies suggest that the short-term effects of DARE on drug use are, at best, small.”

The criticism hasn’t undermined much of the community support that spurred DARE’s massive expansion across the county.

No one questioned the anti-drug program’s value at a DARE graduation ceremony at Melville S. Jacobson Elementary in Tracy on Wednesday night. Roughly 200 people celebrated as 110 fifth-graders were honored for finishing the curriculum.

Brian Lawler, whose daughter, Quinn, graduated during the ceremony, said that if Prop. 19 passes, there should be more concern over how parents respond than how DARE does.

“That falls on the parents,” Lawler said. “The first teacher is home.”

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Re: Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana [Re: veggie]
    #13375368 - 10/23/10 09:43 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

DARE is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard in my life, all they do is use scare tactics and misinformation to keep kids off drugs this is all a part of the governments evil plan to keep society complacent and in control DARE SUCKS and DARE should be made illegal for lieing to kids

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Re: Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana [Re: adamantasaurus]
    #13375400 - 10/23/10 09:59 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

D.A.R.E. Means, Drugs Are Really Expensive.


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Re: Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana [Re: veggie]
    #13375404 - 10/23/10 10:01 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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veggie said:
Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana
October 22, 2010 - californiawatch.org
“Question: What do you think about doctors who prescribe or recommend marijuana to their patients?

Response: There are good doctors and bad doctors just like there are good and bad lawyers, policemen, accountants, and other professionals. I think that a doctor who recommends marijuana to a patient is either a bad doctor or a doctor who is not familiar with the scientific medical literature on marijuana.”




Good cops who drink Diet Soda filled with aspartame.    You've gotta drink quite a bit to tell children Doctors are bad for prescribing Marijuana.

I told my Niece and Nephew the truth.  Thankfully we live in Maine so medical Marijuana information is everywhere.  So they know that marijuana isn't dangerous like some drugs.  I told them about a lot of drugs.  I told them there are some drugs that will make them steal, to get more.


I got to them before the DARE program fills there heads full of subliminal drug advertisements.   



Personally I am no fan of Medical Marijuana.  I think everyone deserves Marijuana.    Infact I want to open a  recreational only distrubtorship.  If your sick get out of here we are healthy and don't need to catch anything.    I'm really kidding my best customer has aids, and some claim it helps them with mental problems.

I'm in Maine Medical Marijuana State, and 2.5 oz is a civil violation.

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Re: Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana [Re: adamantasaurus]
    #13375410 - 10/23/10 10:01 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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“If it’s legalized there’s obviously going to be increased perception that there’s no harm, that it is an acceptable behavior to engage in. Otherwise it wouldn’t be legal,” Pegueros said.




Drink another beer and keep talking.:slowtard:

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Re: Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana [Re: guest1]
    #13375432 - 10/23/10 10:10 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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“If it’s legalized there’s obviously going to be increased perception that there’s no harm, that it is an acceptable behavior to engage in. Otherwise it wouldn’t be legal,” Pegueros said.




Imprisoning users for possession of a benign plant is unacceptable behavior to engage in.


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Re: Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana [Re: veggie]
    #13375447 - 10/23/10 10:15 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

We have 10 days to find out. I wish it would hurry up, I'm tired of seeing people say dumb stuff like this about marijuana. Where are these people getting this idea that marijuana is so bad? I don't understand it.


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Re: Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana [Re: gamer4life]
    #13375954 - 10/23/10 12:25 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

DARE teaches about alcohol and tobacco too, even though they are legal.

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Re: Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana [Re: ComputerTekGuy]
    #13376287 - 10/23/10 01:44 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

dare preaches about the dangers of drugs including the aformentioned, though they should include every drug, from masturbation to video games... not just substances


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Re: Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana [Re: ComputerTekGuy]
    #13376489 - 10/23/10 02:30 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I remember hearing about Al K. Hall and his problems that alcohol brought him, along with many many graphic pictures of lung and mouth cancers from tobacco. I'm not really surprised by this.

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Re: Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana [Re: BombKitten]
    #13376510 - 10/23/10 02:35 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

anti-marijuana is probably DARE's biggest business


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Re: Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana [Re: evildee125]
    #13376591 - 10/23/10 02:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know... I know they say alot of , or try to say alot of bad stuff about marijuana in Dare classes, but from what I remember all throughout school I never learned much bad about it. I just heard it was "bad" ... it's hard to prove people die from it, because nobody has, and its a matter of persuasion to convince kids that it ruins peoples lives. Sure kids can be persuaded but most of them not forever. They even passed around quarter bags of marijuana in our class, and kids would take some as they passed it around... sneaking some into their pockets... I wonder... They never passed around a bag of extacy, LSD, or Methamphetamines... I don't think they would take that kind of risk. But oh well. They try to fight it, they have a reason to! Oh and doctors who perscribe this stuff that cures cancer that many people would be dead without that has never killed anyone and saves many lives with extremely negligable side effects a drug of which former heads of government drug offices have said is the Safest substance known to man... Those doctors are Bad Doctors. And I love the other poster who mentioned aspartame. This entire time there's gotta be a diet coke sitting there to keep the officer hydrated. Oh... Kids, Remember... (as he's speaking to a class of kids, half or more are obese, whom are also drinking diet soda like the obese cop) you don't want too many calories, keep down those calories to stay healthy and not get fat! Diet sodas are a good way to keep down your calories! ... Diet soda you can get at the drink machines in every building of your schoool... Shit stuff.

Making kids healthy. Keeeping down their calories, feeding them hepatoxic excitotoxic neurotoxic renotoxic alzheimers inducing hormone disrupting poison. Oh by the way kids the real reason we don't want you to smoke pot is because it will protect your brain from the  neurotoxins from the drinks we recommend you drink to stay fat, stupid and unhealthy so you can take plenty of trips to see that doctor. Apples are for pussies.

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Re: Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana [Re: veggie]
    #13376635 - 10/23/10 03:05 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Fuck DARE. Biggest waste of taxpayer money I've ever seen. It might be relevant if they told the truth, and nothing but the truth.

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Re: Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana [Re: Le_Canard]
    #13376658 - 10/23/10 03:11 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

dare taught me how to use whippits....they are so full of shit it should be a crime!

the first shop that sells legal marijuana should have this in the front window


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Re: Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana [Re: Invisible_Woe]
    #13376863 - 10/23/10 04:14 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Good.  Kids shouldn't be smoking weed.  DARE says say no to all drugs because if used by youth statistically they will more likely to wind up doing nothing in life.  Like it or not it is the truth.

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Re: Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #13377241 - 10/23/10 05:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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ShroomyJohn said:
Good.  Kids shouldn't be smoking weed.  DARE says say no to all drugs because if used by youth statistically they will more likely to wind up doing nothing in life.  Like it or not it is the truth.




Please cite a source for your extraordinary claim.  Every single person I know that did copious amounts of drugs in high school are all college grads with high paying jobs.  Your so-called truth doesn't align with reality very well at all.  But hey, at least the Drug Czar and other propagandists would agree with you!

That said, I still agree with your message of young people staying away from drugs.  Lying to them about drugs is not the way to accomplish that goal however.



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Re: Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #13377258 - 10/23/10 05:58 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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ShroomyJohn said:
Good.  Kids shouldn't be smoking weed.  DARE says say no to all drugs because if used by youth statistically they will more likely to wind up doing nothing in life.  Like it or not it is the truth.




Hey ShroomyJohn it's not very shroomy to spew bullshit on the shroomery.


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Re: Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana [Re: ShroomyJohn]
    #13377273 - 10/23/10 06:03 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I actually finally found an old recording of me reading my winning DARE essay in a contest we had. The camera was totally out of focus but you can hear me pretty well.

I really knew how to suck a dick back then. I remember writing the essay on the floor of my closet at about 11 at night when I was 11 years old. Read it the next day to the teachers and they were all excited like I was going to do back flips with Jesus making joints disappear from stash boxes all over town.

All the shit I said about drugs makes me now embarrassed that I was me then. I am, ironically, the best example of what a huge failure the entire program truly was and is. Looking back on it, the whole experience reminds me of Hitler's Youth. I'll let you figure out why.

I totally swallowed up all the shit they told me and made the most ridiculous connections between gangs and drugs and violence, I didn't know what the motherfucking fuck I was talking about at any time. It's like the whole thing was also teaching you how to not care or think about the poor and why would people join a gang in the first place. Small white towns don't have a fucking sense to save their life.

In conclusion, all I can say is thank somebody for George Carlin. He cured my D.A.R.E. education a year later. And a whole lot of the rest of the shit these Republican motherfuckers have managed to convince people of.

Fuck D.A.R.E. Saaave the drugs!

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Re: Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #13377307 - 10/23/10 06:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Eh, you were 11. We all did dumb stuff when we were 11.

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Re: Illegal or not, DARE won't budge on saying ‘no’ to marijuana [Re: KillerSpores]
    #13378594 - 10/24/10 12:18 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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D.A.R.E. Means, Drugs Are Really Expensive.





:rofl2::congrats:


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