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California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19
    #13373686 - 10/22/10 09:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19
October 22, 2010 - Los Angeles Times

The first major advertising in the campaign against the marijuana legalization initiative hit the airwaves Friday with the California Chamber of Commerce spending $250,000 for radio ads.

The spots say, in part, that Proposition 19 "is worded so broadly that it would hurt California’s economy, raise business costs and make it harder to create jobs."

The ads, which started Friday in Los Angeles and will begin Saturday in San Diego, significantly bolster the No on 19 campaign, which has been vastly overmatched in fundraising. As the opposition campaign entered the two weeks before the election, it reported having about $47,000 available, while the main pro-Proposition 19 committees had $450,000 to spend.

The chamber maintains the initiative would undermine the rights of employers to ensure their workers are not high, raising the risk of injury, lawsuits and increased insurance costs.

"When people understand what would happen in the workplace when this becomes law, they are inclined to vote no," said Denise Davis, the chamber’s spokeswoman. "We’re going to keep working to get the message out as broadly as we can right up until election day."

Tom Angell, a spokesman for the Yes on 19 campaign, said that voters know enough about marijuana not to be swayed by the chamber’s ads.
"This is the same old reefer madness scare tactics that the voters have been bombarded with for decades," he said.

Angell declined to disclose whether the campaign intends to advertise in the final week before the Nov. 2 election. "We’re still keeping our options open," he said.

The campaign has focused on a grass-roots effort to drive turnout among young people and minorities, as well as outreach to women with children who are seen as swing voters.

Proposition 19 would allow Californians 21 and older to grow and possess marijuana, and it would allow cities and counties to approve cultivation and sales. It includes a provision that protects people who use marijuana from discrimination, but also allows employers the right to address consumption that impairs job performance.

The chamber says this mean a worker could show up high and the employer could not act unless the worker caused an accident. The Yes on 19 campaign says employers would retain their rights under current state law to refuse to hire marijuana users or dismiss those who are impaired.

In the 60-second ad, a female narrator says, "Imagine coming out of surgery, and the nurse caring for you was high. Or having to work hard on your job to make up for a co-worker who shows up high on pot. It could happen in California if Proposition 19 passes."

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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: veggie]
    #13373827 - 10/22/10 09:47 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

My goodness! I guess working with my hangover and with someone who was warming breakfast down with beer was a good Idea.


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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: veggie]
    #13373949 - 10/22/10 10:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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veggie said:
California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19
October 22, 2010 - Los Angeles Times

In the 60-second ad, a female narrator says, "Imagine coming out of surgery, and the nurse caring for you was high. Or having to work hard on your job to make up for a co-worker who shows up high on pot. It could happen in California if Proposition 19 passes."




Bullshit. Do Nurse take you drunk? Do your coworker show up drunk?

Retarded. Sorry.

Old same bullshit

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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: Simplepowa]
    #13373970 - 10/22/10 10:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Chamber of Commerce, so businessmen don't want it legal, maybe because business is already good and they don't want a free market ruining their profits. MJ legalized = drop in bud prices= less money for established businesses

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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: veggie]
    #13373972 - 10/22/10 10:24 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)





In the 60-second ad, a female narrator says, "Imagine coming out of surgery, and the nurse caring for you was high. Or having to work hard on your job to make up for a co-worker who shows up high on pot. It could happen in California if Proposition 19 passes."




DUH some people drink coffee before work i smoke weed. wow really my co-workers come to work high, they were doing it when weed was illegal what makes you think they will stop when it becomes legal? and the bull shit about a high nurse what are they going to compare next? what if the president was high on weed at a peace convention with fucking aliens?

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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: winterone]
    #13373981 - 10/22/10 10:26 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

The radio ad.
http://www.calchamber.com/Videos/Pages/Prop19RadioAd.aspx
Listening to it made me sick.

Prop 19 full text.
http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/initiatives/pdfs/i821_initiative_09-0024_amdt_1-s.pdf

On page 8 the at the top the exact wording is:

(c) "No person shall be punished, fined, discriminated against, or be denied any right or privilege for lawfully engaging in any conduct permitted by this Act or authorized pursuant to Section 11301 of this Act. Provided however, that the existing right of an employer to address consumption that actually impairs job performance by an employee shall not be affected".

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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: winterone]
    #13373997 - 10/22/10 10:31 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

the mendacity of the chambers of commerce..be it CA or US.. is beyond sickening ..like lets keep prohibition in place for the sake of a few mean..stupid corporate fucktards...yeah..right...and BTW..ending alcohol prohibtion hasnt stopped the said fucktards from firing ppl for being drunk on the job either...

but what is even more sickening is the fact that voters are buying into this shit...


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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: Simplepowa]
    #13374011 - 10/22/10 10:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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In the 60-second ad, a female narrator says, "Imagine coming out of surgery, and the nurse caring for you was high. Or having to work hard on your job to make up for a co-worker who shows up high on pot. It could happen in California if Proposition 19 passes."




I love smoking weed and I do it all the time. I usually smoke before doing nearly any activity. I would never ever consider going into work high. That is just stupid. I go to work to get money so I can get high. If that stops, then I can't get high. Thats not good.

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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: EdgeChaos]
    #13374034 - 10/22/10 10:40 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

the radio add sounds like the same propaganda in refer madness, it kinda reminds me of Hitler. everything they said not true or some made up outlandish scenario.

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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: cokane]
    #13374416 - 10/23/10 12:54 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

This is fucking gay

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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: adamantasaurus]
    #13374756 - 10/23/10 03:51 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Everyone is voting no on Prop 19. Vote no on prop 19. :facepalm:

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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: adamantasaurus]
    #13374759 - 10/23/10 03:54 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Like the article stated, over $450k for their campaign... where the is this money being used? I went to pick up signs to place over town today, and there were few left, ok, understandable. The lady the said the guy who represents Orange County (a HUGE populace) for prop 19 comes in on saturday... last saturday he didnt bring signs but brought a few stickers and frisbees.

Yes on 19 Frisbees?? Seems like a waste of money..

Send MAIL
Run ADS
Run ADS on TV

It should be no surprise that there are going to be a lot of strongly biased attacks against this proposition. But it is a huge surprise to me that there doesnt seem to be any return by proponents.


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Edited by Mickalopagus (10/23/10 05:28 AM)

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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: Mickalopagus]
    #13375242 - 10/23/10 08:45 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Prop 19 has been a widely discussed topic in Indiana where I live. It honestly seems there are a lot of people who are undecided. While a lot of people are still skeptikal about marijuanas medicinal value. I found the best way to change peoples minds is talk the universal language, MONEY!
They need to advertise this!! How much money would be saved on marijuana arrests and prosecution?? How many schools could be upgraded for each dispensary opened? We lose 10% of our public school teachers a year in Indiana. How many jobs could be saved and created at the same time? They have to do something. Taxing something thats in there backyard already only seems logical.

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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: Shroom Queen]
    #13375553 - 10/23/10 10:43 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It's sad that prop19 isn't going to pass. Call me a skeptic but when you have dealers and medclubs coming out against it because they'll lose money it's not going to happen. Even if I sold bud and prices were going to drop I'd still vote for it. I don't know how any self respecting pot smoker can argue and say that it being illegal is better. Don't be selfish bastards... This vote isn't just for Cali it's for the whole country. The bill isn't perfect and people say " hey man... The government shouldt get a dime man... Weed should be free man" but that's a bunch of hippie bullshit. If the gov. Don't get a cut it ain't ever gonna be legal. I hate it too but it's reality... Vote yes... Not just for Cali but for your bros & sis's in smoke across this country because if it goes good there it's bound to have a change across the country... Except maybe in Texas ... They'll probably up the laws on mj.

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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: hotrod]
    #13375586 - 10/23/10 10:51 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

"Except maybe in Texas ... They'll probably up the laws on mj"




not gonna lie man texans fucking love their weed, they're just really deep in the shadows about it.

texans and they're lawmakers have a hard time admitting when they're wrong, im a little surprised they haven't jumped on the MMJ bandwagon yet. i give it another year or two, and if cali legalizes i think you can expect other states across the us to follow suit in the next 5-10 years, hopefully texas included.

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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: blazenn]
    #13376325 - 10/23/10 01:50 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

texas smokers need to come out of the closet :smirk:


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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: Mickalopagus]
    #13376503 - 10/23/10 02:33 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

This ad upset me...

"What would you do if you woke up from surgery and your nurse was high?"

Um...first of all I probably wouldn't notice.  I'd rather them be high than drunk.  What keeps our nurses from coming to work drunk everyday right now?  Why will pot be different?
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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: Shroomerette]
    #13376714 - 10/23/10 03:30 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

there are a lot of californians with the medical marijuana licence (a good portion have it just to be quasi-legal)... youd think the problem would have disrupted our workforce already if it were true; these are groundless allegations.


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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: Mickalopagus]
    #13376786 - 10/23/10 03:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

having been to california numerous times the only people i can see voting against this are greedy assholes and confused old people.


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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: Simplepowa]
    #13377293 - 10/23/10 06:11 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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veggie said:
In the 60-second ad, a female narrator says, "Imagine coming out of surgery, and the nurse caring for you was high. Or having to work hard on your job to make up for a co-worker who shows up high on pot. It could happen in California if Proposition 19 passes."




If I was forced into a stressful situation, I would rather deal with a focused person than a talking head.

Quote:

make it harder to create jobs.



I'm self employed as nobody created a quota for me at taxpayer expense.

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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: hotrod]
    #13379352 - 10/24/10 07:56 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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It's sad that prop19 isn't going to pass. Call me a skeptic but when you have dealers and medclubs coming out against it because they'll lose money it's not going to happen. Even if I sold bud and prices were going to drop I'd still vote for it. I don't know how any self respecting pot smoker can argue and say that it being illegal is better. Don't be selfish bastards... This vote isn't just for Cali it's for the whole country. The bill isn't perfect and people say " hey man... The government shouldt get a dime man... Weed should be free man" but that's a bunch of hippie bullshit. If the gov. Don't get a cut it ain't ever gonna be legal. I hate it too but it's reality... Vote yes... Not just for Cali but for your bros & sis's in smoke across this country because if it goes good there it's bound to have a change across the country... Except maybe in Texas ... They'll probably up the laws on mj.




Prop 19 will pass, the polls are lies and bullshit put out by Big Media LA Times (AKA soon to be bankrupt Tribune Co.). They are trying to sway and influence the voters. Prop 19's internal polling shows it in the lead, still. DO you really believe the measure dropped in support by 10% in 10 days? I don't at all.


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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: methoxy]
    #13379420 - 10/24/10 08:43 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

SPREAD THE MESSAGE:

This whole election is being rigged. Do you really think CA doesn't want pot legal? Think again. LA Times/Big Media (News Corporation) is setting the stage to make people think it's losing. Big Media is puppeteering. I suspect fraud will occur on election day and if this fails to pass, it will have been an inside job. Corporations will do anything it takes to protect their interests. The worlds largest corporations control interests in the Vatican, the Christian Church, the Politicians, and Big Media, that's why all these sheep are falling for the corporatized trap. I question the accuracy AND integrity of the LA Times polling. Big Media like the bankrupt Tribune Company do what's in the interest of lobbyists and shareholders - not the people. Those lobbyists and shareholders have interests in products that directly compete with hemp and cannabis - from petrochemical to pharmaceutical - alcohol and tobacco. People need to wake up, get past the stupid moral arguments. Cannabis was outlawed on the guise of moralism - we've been brought up brainwashed about this subject. That's what the government wants. I urge you to read www.opposeprop19.com to learn the truth about cannabis prohibition. A bigot by the name of Harry J Anslinger, head of the first Federal Bureau of Narcotics (Now known as the DEA) led a fear mongering scare campaign of racism, yellow journalism, lies, and propaganda because he was bankrolled by large corporations (DuPont and Hearst). These corporations had interests in the timber and paper industry that hemp was a threat to. The only reason pot is illegal is because you can't slap a registered trademark symbol on it.


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But Jimi was feeling good - he'd shared some LSD with a friend, Herbert Worthington, who sat and watched him from the side: 'Jimi started singing "Spanish Castle Magic" and I was high, I was so happy, probably one of the happiest times of my life, being with an Angel [Jimi] and having a woman on each arm. I just went into an LSD laugh.' Jimi looked over to Herbert, realised that he too was peaking out on acid, tried to say something to Herbie, but it wouldn't come out.

- Jimi Hendrix "Electric Gypsy"

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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: blazenn]
    #13380192 - 10/24/10 01:01 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

blazenn said:
"Except maybe in Texas ... They'll probably up the laws on mj"




not gonna lie man texans fucking love their weed, they're just really deep in the shadows about it.

texans and they're lawmakers have a hard time admitting when they're wrong, im a little surprised they haven't jumped on the MMJ bandwagon yet. i give it another year or two, and if cali legalizes i think you can expect other states across the us to follow suit in the next 5-10 years, hopefully texas included.



For anything big to pass in Texas, there has to be major public support for it so the bill gets attention. Someone tried to make salvia illegal but it got pushed out of the way for more important things (like actually having a balanced budget). So while it's hard to ban things, it's going to be even harder to legalize the already banned ones.

Edited by Rabid Jelly Bean (10/24/10 01:02 PM)

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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: veggie]
    #13381019 - 10/24/10 04:22 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I thought it was illegal for the government to spend money to influence how people vote.

The MPP made a big issue out of this awhile back.


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Re: California chamber begins radio ads to defeat Prop. 19 [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #13384113 - 10/25/10 08:08 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

That was my thought, too.

But, the Chamber seems to be supported through donations.

Donors are not necessarily on the public record.

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