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OfflineMickalopagus
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Re: Automated Polls Show Prop 19 Winning 56-41 [Re: Apes]
    #13374724 - 10/23/10 03:31 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Apes said:
Obviously we disagree.

Good luck in your endeavors!




I know people are waiting for the golden bill where everything is worked out, but that simply doesnt happen. Are you really ok risking the possible wait of another 30 years (and this could easily be the reality of it) for a measure to get enough support to make it to the polls, and then get voted on?

Laws can always be subject to amendments after they have been enacted. Why not do your part to try and initiate change in the bill after it is passed? Apes, I did not have 1.5 million dollars to selflessly put up for the legalization effort, and I doubt you or anyone else here does. I think you should support the effort that this person is making for your personal freedom.. Let the rest come later, it will.


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notapillow said: "you are going about this endeavor all wrong. clear your mind of useless fear and concern. buy the ticket, take the ride, and all that.... "

ChrisWho said: "It's all about the journey, not the destination."

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Re: Automated Polls Show Prop 19 Winning 56-41 [Re: Mickalopagus]
    #13374907 - 10/23/10 06:02 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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mick said:
Laws can always be subject to amendments after they have been enacted.




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Re: Automated Polls Show Prop 19 Winning 56-41 [Re: Apes]
    #13375647 - 10/23/10 11:11 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Ubitsa said:

Who's going to enforce it?  How are they going to enforce it?

Sorry, but you sound a bit out of touch with reality.

They can't just whip up a law that says "OK everybody has to buy their weed from big companies or pay a massive tax", and have it magically enforced.  Someone has to do the enforcing.


I'd be very interested in your ideas of how people are going to be "stiffly penalized" for growing/using/selling marijuana after it's legalized....





hahahaha. We'll I'm sure you'll find out.

As for being out of touch, I've been in the pot growing scene a whole lot longer than you can imagine.

They didn't write this proposal to give people the right to grow for free, they wrote it to tax the shit out of people to get their state out of severe debt. You bet your bottom they will find a way to enforce it. I'm sure some will get away with it but that's not the point. Do we have freedom to grow or not? With this lame proposal, we do not.




From what I've read of the bill we WILL have the right to grow it...tax free, the only restriction is a 25 square foot garden, which is hardly even enforced for medical marijuana..

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Re: Automated Polls Show Prop 19 Winning 56-41 [Re: Apes]
    #13375904 - 10/23/10 12:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Apes said:
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Ubitsa said:

Who's going to enforce it?  How are they going to enforce it?

Sorry, but you sound a bit out of touch with reality.

They can't just whip up a law that says "OK everybody has to buy their weed from big companies or pay a massive tax", and have it magically enforced.  Someone has to do the enforcing.


I'd be very interested in your ideas of how people are going to be "stiffly penalized" for growing/using/selling marijuana after it's legalized....





hahahaha. We'll I'm sure you'll find out.

As for being out of touch, I've been in the pot growing scene a whole lot longer than you can imagine.

They didn't write this proposal to give people the right to grow for free, they wrote it to tax the shit out of people to get their state out of severe debt. You bet your bottom they will find a way to enforce it. I'm sure some will get away with it but that's not the point. Do we have freedom to grow or not? With this lame proposal, we do not.




Bingo you have your card and have made $ off it being illegal so of course you want to keep it that way, no one is going to buy 400$ OZ in California if everyone is growing. Try not to think of yourself, think about the social change and helping the 800,000 people that get fucked every year over this plant.


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Re: Automated Polls Show Prop 19 Winning 56-41 [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #13376370 - 10/23/10 02:00 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Actually it will depend on where you live. They can tax you on your grow and some are already setting up ridiculous taxes that would run $20,000 a year for that 25 square feet.

I don't live in CA, but i do know many growers that do and none of the 'real' people in the scene want this particular one to pass. Only the greedy(big business) and the people that don't understand and are stuck on a concept they've dreamed about forever and will run after like a fly to the bug zapper.

They should have had Dennis Peron write this proposal not some greedy schmuck who already makes a fortune on it and wants to be the 'budweiser owner' of pot production and not even let you grow high grade for yourself, just medium grade.

And i am NOT thinking of myself only everyone's freedom and the social change.

Accusing me of greedy intentions is pretty laughable really but since we don't know each others story it's an easy assumption to make i guess.

I vote YES for legalization but NO for prop 19. It's just a sad smokescreen they know people will jump at no matter what the cost. At this point it's quite obvious CA has to have this pass in order to save their financial asses and if it didn't they would propose something better and it wouldn't take long at all.

Since most obviously haven't read the bill and are only stuck on a false concept of 'legalization', i urge you to read it. You will be shocked and enlightened.

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Re: Automated Polls Show Prop 19 Winning 56-41 [Re: Apes]
    #13376439 - 10/23/10 02:15 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

well im glad you dont live in cali then :wink:

i dont care man i respect your right to say no, this is america isnt it?

but i stand by my previous statement. until you pony up the money yourself to get something this far, i dont think you should be so willing to shoot it down. if it does pass, and its the big gear change for california... I at least know that I had a part in it, and tried hard to bring forth the change.


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notapillow said: "you are going about this endeavor all wrong. clear your mind of useless fear and concern. buy the ticket, take the ride, and all that.... "

ChrisWho said: "It's all about the journey, not the destination."

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Re: Automated Polls Show Prop 19 Winning 56-41 [Re: Mickalopagus]
    #13376472 - 10/23/10 02:25 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

As long as money talks in the world of politics (instead of the people) we'll always be at the mercy of the 20% that handle 80% of the money. And they don't care about you, just their own financial agendas.

And if i could 'pony up the money' to have my political agendas met, I'd be a sick and greedy as them. No thanks! :wink:

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Re: Automated Polls Show Prop 19 Winning 56-41 [Re: Apes]
    #13376477 - 10/23/10 02:27 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

if its legalized, all i know is im going to visit...and smoke the legal pot :shrug:


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Re: Automated Polls Show Prop 19 Winning 56-41 [Re: Apes]
    #13376485 - 10/23/10 02:29 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Look, I think everyone here agrees Prop 19 is FAR from a perfect bill.  The problem is, we HAVE to start somewhere and that somewhere is the passing of this bill.  If this bill passes, we can make AMENDMENTS to it to make everything more fair for everybody.  Right now we can't even progress that far, because marijuana for recreational purposes is not legal anywhere!  Get it passed, make amendments to it, and continue voting on other legalization bills once they spring up.


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I need to stop spending all my money on plants and take up a cheaper hobby, like heroin. :lol:

Looking for Rauhocereus riosaniensis seeds or live specimen(s), :pm: me if you have any for trade

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Re: Automated Polls Show Prop 19 Winning 56-41 [Re: Apes]
    #13376736 - 10/23/10 03:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Apes said:
As long as money talks in the world of politics (instead of the people) we'll always be at the mercy of the 20% that handle 80% of the money. And they don't care about you, just their own financial agendas.

And if i could 'pony up the money' to have my political agendas met, I'd be a sick and greedy as them. No thanks! :wink:




In the US it is less than 5% that handles 90% of the US wealth... probably the biggest disparity the US has ever seen. If you wait for that to change before you vote yes.... you and your great grandchildren will be waiting a long time. But like you said, youre not even voting... and your friends who own dispensaries or deal or whatever, well, its up to them to decide for themselves whats right, and what theyre preserving or sacrificing.

I think it reminds me of that song by pink floyd: "Would you exchange a walk on part in a war, for a lead role in a cage..." Some people may be happy with the status quo because they can afford a nice life and skip under the radar while others make the true sacrifice, I am not...


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notapillow said: "you are going about this endeavor all wrong. clear your mind of useless fear and concern. buy the ticket, take the ride, and all that.... "

ChrisWho said: "It's all about the journey, not the destination."

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Re: Automated Polls Show Prop 19 Winning 56-41 [Re: Mickalopagus]
    #13426095 - 11/02/10 10:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

it passed

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Re: Automated Polls Show Prop 19 Winning 56-41 [Re: MrNobody]
    #13426458 - 11/02/10 11:07 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

what passed?


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notapillow said: "you are going about this endeavor all wrong. clear your mind of useless fear and concern. buy the ticket, take the ride, and all that.... "

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Re: Automated Polls Show Prop 19 Winning 56-41 [Re: Mickalopagus]
    #13426792 - 11/03/10 12:19 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i dont think it did:(

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