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Re: Who is my enemy? [Re: Icelander]
    #13364402 - 10/20/10 10:26 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

i was jokin :wink:

but i dont see 'good and evil' as experiences like 'love and hate' may be.

i see them as labels that we give to other people's behavior.

the person behaving (i dont think) experiences 'goodness' or 'evilness'.
have you ever felt 'evil'? maybe confusion, anger, spite, disdain... but never 'evil'

i think we just act the way we do, based on the reasoning we have and the desires that need to be fulfilled

'evil and good' i feel are gross simplifications of the actual processes going on
making it easier for us to label and judge other humans.

:shrug:


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Re: Who is my enemy? [Re: Icelander]
    #13364697 - 10/20/10 11:43 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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quinn said:
i am :devil:

but... i don't really think 'evil' exists.
only confused people exist.





What makes you my enemy?

So you're saying evil as a force does not exist?  What about love does that exist?  They both are experiences.  What's the diff?




Yep. I would say this. At worst indifference. Indifference to suffering, or self serving to the point of another's suffering. :shrug:

What about love? Yep, just as tenuous, the feeling I equate to love is relevant to myself, that which I decide to direct these feelings at, and those that direct their own (feelings equated to "love") at me.

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Re: Who is my enemy? [Re: figmentfragment]
    #13364887 - 10/21/10 12:54 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

:sip:


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Re: Who is my enemy? [Re: Icelander]
    #13364904 - 10/21/10 01:01 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Only the truly evil.  Only those born evil and not made by circumstance.

So tell me, do I have an enemy?



Nope.


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Re: Who is my enemy? [Re: Icelander]
    #13364937 - 10/21/10 01:10 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Only the truly evil.  Only those born evil and not made by circumstance.

So tell me, do I have an enemy?



You are your enemy


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Re: Who is my enemy? [Re: Icelander]
    #13364963 - 10/21/10 01:22 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Only the truly evil.  Only those born evil and not made by circumstance.

So tell me, do I have an enemy?




I'm sure someone else said it...buuuuut I didn't feel like reading that much. 

You're your only enemy.  Everything relies on your perception.  The way that you think creates good or bad.  If you're happy, optimistic, pure and confident, then you will have no enemies.  Even if someone tries to hurt you, you'll be bulletproof.

But if you hate yourself, then everybody and everything is your enemy.

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Re: Who is my enemy? [Re: clctvsl]
    #13365045 - 10/21/10 01:52 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm sure someone else said it...

You're your only enemy.




lol
the post above u


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Re: Who is my enemy? [Re: Icelander]
    #13365093 - 10/21/10 02:16 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

As far I can see,
a) evil originates from frustration (you would say 'neurosis'). This can be seen over the lifespan of an individuum even as over the development of a species.
b) The possibility for the manifestation of evil originates in nature itself (by developing response-/feedback systems).
To bring down evil to only one cause, for me doesn't seem to be reasonable.
So what's to blame ? Life ? But life also brings 'good'. And this what can be evil, also can be good as well. So I'm not sure if one can have one without the other, even if I would wish for :shrug:

On the other hand, I feel that something/-one has to be made responsible for it :grin:


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Re: Who is my enemy? [Re: Icelander]
    #13365126 - 10/21/10 02:39 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Nature?


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Re: Who is my enemy? [Re: Grapefruit]
    #13365244 - 10/21/10 03:57 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

People do so-called 'evil' actions to others when they perceive that enough 'evil' has been done to them and 'evil' has been accumulated in their subconscious. In an utopian society, were nobody has been ever harmed it would be improbable that evil arrises from the nothing. Maybe from frustration, but then evil would not be a proper term for it.

Actually Icelander, I've never met or heard of someone truly evil in nature. Those who do evil actions are just trying to escape from some internal issue and do not see a better way to do it.

I came to this conclusion when a drug addict came to our school and told us his life story. His mother was a prostitute, she used to lock him on a bird cage when she had to "work" (his description of the feeling of hearing her mother without being able to escape from it... wow), his friends (or society) were mostly gang members. I am sure that if I was in his shoes I would also murdered a couple people and become a drug addict. How can he be judged as an evil person?

Thats why I find it impossible for hell to exist. Evil in people arrises from their perception that evil has been done to them.

Maybe evil once existed as a force or influence in a human, thats all that was needed to create a chain reaction that would propagate the no longer natural 'evil'.

Edited by Wolb (10/21/10 04:08 AM)

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Re: Who is my enemy? [Re: Icelander]
    #13365260 - 10/21/10 04:16 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Who is my enemy?




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Re: Who is my enemy? [Re: quinn]
    #13365429 - 10/21/10 06:58 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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quinn said:
i was jokin :wink:

but i dont see 'good and evil' as experiences like 'love and hate' may be.

i see them as labels that we give to other people's behavior.

the person behaving (i dont think) experiences 'goodness' or 'evilness'.
have you ever felt 'evil'? maybe confusion, anger, spite, disdain... but never 'evil'

i think we just act the way we do, based on the reasoning we have and the desires that need to be fulfilled

'evil and good' i feel are gross simplifications of the actual processes going on
making it easier for us to label and judge other humans.

:shrug:





Oh I agree.


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Re: Who is my enemy? [Re: figmentfragment]
    #13365433 - 10/21/10 06:59 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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figmentfragment said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
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quinn said:
i am :devil:

but... i don't really think 'evil' exists.
only confused people exist.





What makes you my enemy?

So you're saying evil as a force does not exist?  What about love does that exist?  They both are experiences.  What's the diff?




Yep. I would say this. At worst indifference. Indifference to suffering, or self serving to the point of another's suffering. :shrug:

What about love? Yep, just as tenuous, the feeling I equate to love is relevant to myself, that which I decide to direct these feelings at, and those that direct their own (feelings equated to "love") at me.

:sip:





Agreed


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Re: Who is my enemy? [Re: soldatheero]
    #13365443 - 10/21/10 07:04 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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soldatheero said:
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Only the truly evil.  Only those born evil and not made by circumstance.

So tell me, do I have an enemy?



Nope.





Right answer imo:thumbup: I don't have a living enemy. If I have any enemy it is where evil comes into being.  So my gripe could never be with someone or something but with the process or thing itself. This creates and interesting implication as my gripe is with creation as a process but not with the creation itself.


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Re: Who is my enemy? [Re: learningtofly]
    #13365448 - 10/21/10 07:05 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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learningtofly said:
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Icelander said:
Only the truly evil.  Only those born evil and not made by circumstance.

So tell me, do I have an enemy?



You are your enemy





I am not.


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Re: Who is my enemy? [Re: clctvsl]
    #13365450 - 10/21/10 07:06 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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clctvsl said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
Only the truly evil.  Only those born evil and not made by circumstance.

So tell me, do I have an enemy?




I'm sure someone else said it...buuuuut I didn't feel like reading that much. 

You're your only enemy.  Everything relies on your perception.  The way that you think creates good or bad.  If you're happy, optimistic, pure and confident, then you will have no enemies.  Even if someone tries to hurt you, you'll be bulletproof.

But if you hate yourself, then everybody and everything is your enemy.





Nope you missed the idea behind the op .


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Re: Who is my enemy? [Re: Grapefruit]
    #13365453 - 10/21/10 07:07 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Grapefruit said:
Nature?





Very good.:thumbup:


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Re: Who is my enemy? [Re: Icelander]
    #13366519 - 10/21/10 12:56 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

So if you don't have any enemies, why do you segregate yourself from other human beings? :sun:


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Re: Who is my enemy? [Re: foliocb]
    #13366620 - 10/21/10 01:24 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

We are our own worst enemy, no one can harm us more than ourselves. When I was younger I used to get into a bit of trouble. After a few years a culmination of this behaviour and it's consequence (action / reaction), made me truly realise this, and I didn't feel I could trust myself to avoid this behaviour and so isolated myself away from people until I conquered "the bad I wouldn't, that I do'. Am I warm ?

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Re: Who is my enemy? [Re: foliocb]
    #13366762 - 10/21/10 02:03 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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So if you don't have any enemies, why do you segregate yourself from other human beings? :sun:




I don't like or respect most of humanity.:laugh:


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