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Urb
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Proposition 19 ~vs~ The Feds
#13302915 - 10/07/10 08:58 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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If proposition 19 passes , How are the federal gov. and the DEA going to react?
Will it be open season on Californians who grow & sell?
Will it not create problems with persons taking it across state lines to supply other states?
Will the Federal Gov. enact sanctions and cut fedral aid?
I see a whole slew of problems that will take forever to iron out.
-------------------- Texas Honey Badger said: I went to boys town in Nuevo Laredo when I was in my early ‘30s There was a bunch of trannys even way back then I paid probably $20 but I was so drunk I couldn’t get a hard on -Whenever you hear 5 blasts from the emergency horn that’s the signal for a 30 minute buttfucking break- Fiery said: I wish I was a young sexy woman so I could have awesome sexy adventures all the time[/quote] split_by_nine said: i did the man bun.[/quote] 1234go said: I don't have a dog. I can't stand em...They're needy animals for needy people.
Edited by Urb (10/07/10 09:24 AM)
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Re: Proposition 19 ~vs~ The Feds [Re: Urb]
#13302974 - 10/07/10 09:18 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Urb said: If proposition 19 passes , How are the federal gov. and the DEA going to react?
Badly.
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Will it be open season on Californians who grow & sell?
It is now.
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Will it not create problems with persons taking it across state lines to supply other states?
Depends on what you mean by "problems".
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Will the Federal Gov. enact sanctions and cut fedreal aid?
And risk losing all those bought and paid for votes?
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I see a whole slew of problems that will take forever to iron out.
Such is life.
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I think if weed was legalized maybe we'd be a little bit more tolerant to the bullshit from FED & BIS
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Re: Proposition 19 ~vs~ The Feds [Re: Nexius]
#13303032 - 10/07/10 09:42 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hopefully not by arresting people in a place where the local govt says its legal. Except that's already happening more or less, so it should be interesting.
Edited by saxcidjazz (10/07/10 09:43 AM)
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Re: Proposition 19 ~vs~ The Feds [Re: saxcidjazz]
#13303037 - 10/07/10 09:43 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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eh well it's not that our constitution is followed correctly anyway
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Re: Proposition 19 ~vs~ The Feds [Re: Urb]
#13303101 - 10/07/10 10:03 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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> If proposition 19 passes , How are the federal gov. and the DEA going to react?
Prop-19 doesn't change federal law. Federal law trumps state law, thus prop-19 will change nothing at the federal level. My guess is that the DEA will put every resource they have into busting people in California to set an example.
> Will it be open season on Californians who grow & sell?
At the federal level, yes.
> Will it not create problems with persons taking it across state lines to supply other states?
Again, a federal issue... nothing will change here because of prop-19. If you read the federal law against drugs, the primary reason they use as justification for the law is "interstate commerce" which the federal government has jurisdiction over.
> Will the Federal Gov. enact sanctions and cut fedral aid?
Probably.
> I see a whole slew of problems that will take forever to iron out.
Such as?
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Re: Proposition 19 ~vs~ The Feds [Re: Seuss]
#13303224 - 10/07/10 10:39 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Such as? I was looking for a little more input , not curt answers.
In no time there will be an overstock of product , no market to get a reasonable price. Producers will have to look elsewhere to move their product. The neighboring states will have a sudden influx of MJ traffickers , facing stiff sentences.
Where will they house all of these new prisoners? Can they possibly? Will it force neighboring states to reexamine their own laws to deal with the crisis?
Will the citizens , tired of persecution, lash out at the gov.? Could a simple thing like MJ cause states to break from the union?
How can the feds tell a state how to handle its own people if they aren't breaking federal laws . MJ , if not crossing a state line & under so much is left up to the state to prosecute. Will the Feds turn the DEA loose on such a large amount of citizens?
Will reformed MJ laws snowball?
-------------------- Texas Honey Badger said: I went to boys town in Nuevo Laredo when I was in my early ‘30s There was a bunch of trannys even way back then I paid probably $20 but I was so drunk I couldn’t get a hard on -Whenever you hear 5 blasts from the emergency horn that’s the signal for a 30 minute buttfucking break- Fiery said: I wish I was a young sexy woman so I could have awesome sexy adventures all the time[/quote] split_by_nine said: i did the man bun.[/quote] 1234go said: I don't have a dog. I can't stand em...They're needy animals for needy people.
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Re: Proposition 19 ~vs~ The Feds [Re: Seuss]
#13303248 - 10/07/10 10:44 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > If proposition 19 passes , How are the federal gov. and the DEA going to react?
Prop-19 doesn't change federal law. Federal law trumps state law, thus prop-19 will change nothing at the federal level. My guess is that the DEA will put every resource they have into busting people in California to set an example.
You really think so?
I imagine they'll do some operations and get the media attention they love so much, and spend a ton of taxpayer money on public service announcements that pot violates the controlled substances act, but that's about all I see them doing.
After they get their airtime, I imagine they'll largely proceed as they do now.
It will be interesting to see if the cops try and refer cases to the feds if it passes- they love to spout "we just follow the laws" when they get criticized for their backwards behavior, but then will turn around and actively subvert the law where it agrees with their whims.
See: the counties who sued the state to enjoin issueance of medical marijuana permits, for examples of this.
edit: I'm sure they'll go after brick and morter buisnesses associated with pot as they do now- they seem to love asset forfeiture even more than policing people's personal lives. Unfortunately, this has a large liklihood of negating much of the benefits of legalization by driving the state-legal buisness back underground.
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Re: Proposition 19 ~vs~ The Feds [Re: johnm214]
#13303335 - 10/07/10 11:01 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I see I posted this in the wrong forum. Sorry .
-------------------- Texas Honey Badger said: I went to boys town in Nuevo Laredo when I was in my early ‘30s There was a bunch of trannys even way back then I paid probably $20 but I was so drunk I couldn’t get a hard on -Whenever you hear 5 blasts from the emergency horn that’s the signal for a 30 minute buttfucking break- Fiery said: I wish I was a young sexy woman so I could have awesome sexy adventures all the time[/quote] split_by_nine said: i did the man bun.[/quote] 1234go said: I don't have a dog. I can't stand em...They're needy animals for needy people.
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Re: Proposition 19 ~vs~ The Feds (moved) [Re: Urb]
#13304179 - 10/07/10 02:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from Political Discussion.
Reason: Drug Policy Reform material
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Re: Proposition 19 ~vs~ The Feds [Re: Seuss]
#13324254 - 10/12/10 03:15 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seuss said: If proposition 19 passes , How are the federal gov. and the DEA going to react?
Prop-19 doesn't change federal law. Federal law trumps state law, thus prop-19 will change nothing at the federal level. My guess is that the DEA will put every resource they have into busting people in California to set an example.
It will go to the supreme court because it will be one of the first issues to test states rights/federalism
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Re: Proposition 19 ~vs~ The Feds [Re: Flop Johnson]
#13340328 - 10/15/10 01:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Proposition 19 ~vs~ The Feds [Re: Urb]
#13358419 - 10/19/10 05:15 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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A good read on Prop 19's potential conflicts with the federal Controlled Substances Act:
Now, if you have the time and the inclination:
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