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City Considering Banning "Spice" [WY]
    #13355739 - 10/19/10 03:51 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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‘Spice’ to be illegal in Cody?
October 18, 2010 - Cody Enterprise

"Spice" could be made illegal in Cody.

The city council discussed Thursday looking into developing a city ordinance that would ban spice and all similar incense products in Cody.

Spice is a product marketed as incense and sold with labels marked "not meant for human consumption" that some people, especially youths, are smoking to produce similar hallucinogenic effects of marijuana.

The incense is sold in Cody under the name "Mr. Smiley" at Smoker Friendly.

Contrary to rumor, Cody would be the first city in Wyoming to have such an ordinance.

"It's a community concern," Mayor Nancy Tia Brown said.

City Attorney Scott Kolpitcke warned the council that an ordinance would not completely solve the problem.

"Educating the public about this stuff is really critical, because even if you put an ordinance through, it's still going to be available other places," he told the council.

Other communities also have seen problems with the specificity of ordinances, where loop holes allow for getting around the law.

For instance, if a city were to ban a product by the name "spice" alone, there are several products by a different name.

Council member Jerry Fritz found at least 79 different names so far.

There is also trouble when banning a product by the compounds. There are a few main compounds said to be in spice and similar products, but they can be changed on a molecular level enough that would technically make it a different compound and, therefore, legal.

For the Cody Police Department, a ban would allow them more options.

Police Chief Perry Rockvam told the council, police can't do much.

"It's like, ‘What do we do?'" he said. "It's not illegal or anything."

If a person is found driving under the influence of the incense, he or she could be charged under that statute, but that's about all, Rockvam said.

"It would be our part to try to deter this by allowing our police force to fight for it," Brown said after the meeting.

Possible resistance

Kolpitcke told the council the best approach in other communities he saw was pressure from others.

Kelly Cape, whose daughter went to the hospital after a bad reaction to smoking the incense, told the council that she wasn't sure pressure on the sellers would work due to rumors she'd heard about revenue.

"I don't know if they will stop selling under pressure because they're making too much money off of it," she said.

When Rockvam first heard of incense being sold in Cody, he went to the businesses and asked the owners to pull the product from the shelves.

Smoker Friendly refused, but Juli Hinze, owner of the Red Eagle Food Marts, pulled it immediately, Rockvam said.

They'd only had the product for less than 24 hours, Hinze said by phone, so she didn't have enough time to gauge firsthand how well it sells, but has heard about it.

"It can and does show a history of selling well," she said.

Hinze received the incense from a vendor who provides many of the "general merchandise" category items for the stores - everything from cowboy hats to 5-Hour Energy drinks.

"It was something he was told was selling well," she said. "I thought it was just incense. Incense has been around forever."

Hinze said that once she heard what people were doing with the incense, she pulled it.

"There's no shortage of what kids will do," she said.

Statewide legislation

A group of Cody High School students are working on a statewide ban of spice and similar products.

Deb White, a teacher at CHS, is the sponsor for the Youth for Justice group, in which students help make laws.

Every year, students take one issue they think should be a law and research it, White said. Then, they find a sponsor who will take on the cause in the Legislature and help educate people on it until it becomes a law.

This year, the students chose spice as one of several issues they're working on. White said because the group is well-established, many people contacted her about addressing the spice issue.

"(The students) think it's a great idea," she said.

White said she proposed the idea to about 45 students and asked them to raise their hands if they knew kids who'd smoked incense. About two-thirds of them did.

"These are good kids," she said. "They spend their time helping make laws, and it's on their radar."

White's group only has had the idea for a week, so there is still much research to be done before they can plan the next steps.

She said there might be someone already working on a bill and, if so, the group will work with that person throughout the process. If not, she said they will work on finding a sponsor.

White said that most other states she's heard of just make the product illegal. She's learned that it's already illegal in the Air Force, but they've had trouble regulating it when people can just go off base and buy it.

"Having it illegal everywhere would make it easier for them," she said.

White's plan for now is to follow other states' current legislation to make it illegal.

"Kids need to know it's dangerous enough not to do it," she said.

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Spice - Controversial New Drug
10/18/2010 - KGWN

The Cody City Council is looking at banning a mood-altering intoxicating substance known as Spice.
The issue came up in Cody recently when a 14-year-old girl placed a 9-1-1 call after she smoked spice and believed she was going to die.
Spice mimics marijuana's effects on the brain and is sold as
herbal incense under a variety of different names.
We contacted the Cheyenne Police Department to see if the trend of smoking spice was in Cheyenne. Officer Edwards told us that the police department responded to four cases where users went to the ER after experiencing adverse side-effects.
We'll bring you more on this legal substance called spice in a special report tomorrow.


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Re: City Considering Banning "Spice" [WY] [Re: Green_T]
    #13355754 - 10/19/10 04:29 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

''See the kids! Precious kids!
Yes, their heads are on the chopping block
and someone's got to dare to take a stand
Can't ignore any more, it could be your son or daughter
With a deadly stick of reefer in their hand!
They're heading straight for
Reefer Madness! Reefer Madness! Reefer Madness! Reefer Madness!
Save our kids!''

*sigh*

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Re: City Considering Banning "Spice" [WY] [Re: StatuesCryBleeding]
    #13357029 - 10/19/10 11:51 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Well,  If I caught my niece or nephew with Spice, id take it throw it in the woodstove and buy em an 1/8 of some real Marijuana.

I didnt say id have the woodstove lit.  :wink:

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Re: City Considering Banning "Spice" [WY] [Re: Green_T]
    #13358471 - 10/19/10 05:29 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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"(The students) think it's a great idea," she said.

White said she proposed the idea to about 45 students and asked them to raise their hands if they knew kids who'd smoked incense. About two-thirds of them did.

"These are good kids," she said. "They spend their time helping make laws, and it's on their radar."

White's group only has had the idea for a week, so there is still much research to be done before they can plan the next steps.

She said there might be someone already working on a bill and, if so, the group will work with that person throughout the process. If not, she said they will work on finding a sponsor.

White said that most other states she's heard of just make the product illegal. She's learned that it's already illegal in the Air Force, but they've had trouble regulating it when people can just go off base and buy it.

"Having it illegal everywhere would make it easier for them," she said.

White's plan for now is to follow other states' current legislation to make it illegal.

"Kids need to know it's dangerous enough not to do it," she said.





Oh my fucking god you fuckign crazy ass stupid bitch, we don't know what it does yet or if it is dangerous which coincidentally is why you are technically right it should be banned during clinical and small-group testing, a period which should last long enough to see the effect long-term use has on registered and willing members of one generation. Chances are we find out it has no glaring negative effects except when used in excess like almost every other drug, and then we legalize it to the general population. Even if it causes 80% of people who use it to get brain lesions and croak, you keep it legal but heavily restrict it's availability and production while educating about the dangers and adding lots of big ugly warning labels.

This is so fucking easy to figure out it makes me want to kill myself. Does anyone have a brain anymore? AM I ALONE? Nope, the shroomery is there. Hold me, people. I'm shaking.

lol

Also if there were kids in my high school with prohibitionist attitude flaunting it and acting all high-horse I would beat the piss out of every one of them knowing I would get away with it, being a minor and whatnot.


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Re: City Considering Banning "Spice" [WY] [Re: blujay]
    #13358885 - 10/19/10 07:03 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Spice is easily available in the black-market now.

:highfive: on saving our children by banning a substance.

noobs


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Re: City Considering Banning "Spice" [WY] [Re: Green_T]
    #13360015 - 10/19/10 10:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I almost feel sorry for the people in this small town. They seem so helpless.

First: Education will only increase demand. Once people know that there is a legal product that makes you feel good in the same way that cannabis makes you feel good demand will go through the roof.

second: You cannot ban incense. That would be like a town banning toilet paper or soda pop. The USA is a free country. Little towns are not allowed to ban consumer products. A ban on incense would not work anyway, because the chemicals could be re-branded as soap or metal polish, or whatever product is not yet banned.

third: you cannot ban synthetic cannabinoids. Substances are defined by their molecular morphology. You can ban one molecule, but another is already ready to take its place. You cannot ban "any product that gets you high" because it is not possible to define what being 'high' is.

Well intentioned people in this little town are helpless.


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Re: City Considering Banning "Spice" [WY] [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #13362754 - 10/20/10 04:04 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

You guys gotta understand Cody is a tiny little place, 8 thousand people maybe. Probably half the town knew the girl that went to the hospital by name (exaggerating). For the most part people from Wyoming are really pretty indifferent to things like this but in that small of a place after what happened it's a big fucking deal and parents are scared.
          After all you have to be cautious with something you don't understand, and nobody really knows whats in their brand of gas station spice, and even if you mix your own  no one has any clue as to the long term effects of jhw compounds and the like. As backwards as it is illegal marijuana is much safer. The members of this site are some of the most educated out there on the subject and I'm sure a number of you have and do use spice, the difference is that we know the risks of using something that has little to no history of use, we have also probably read about it a bit and know how strong it can be.
          I went to high school in Wyoming ( ten years ago, not in Cody) and unless things have changed kids grow up fast here, by 16 i was drinking and smoking real weed every weekend and so were most of my friends.
        The answer is education, because if these kids are anything like I was then they will do what they will, and there is always the opportunity to get into something nastier. Kids need to be taught to weigh the risks and benefits of doing something before they do it. If you teach prohibition and demonization at some point a person will almost always say to themselves "well that doesn't seem soo bad" and then the problems ensue.
          To wrap things up knowledge is power, the power to make an informed decision. Id bet more people around this sleepy little state have ignorantly loaded up a fat bowl of spice to see what its about since this story hit the papers than ever before. I also bet a few of them got their ass kicked by it and now regret ever doing it. This wouldn't happen if it wasn't misrepresented as incense and sold with absolutely no directions other than "not for human consumption." Regulate and educate, that is the answer.

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