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Rebecca, 19. is youngest victim of meow meow [UK]
    #13355729 - 10/19/10 03:42 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

People wouldn't be mixing these kinds of drugs if they were legal...

Rebecca, 19. is youngest victim of meow meow
14/10/2010 - Mirror (UK tabloid)

A teenage girl has become the youngest person in Britain to die after taking the party drug meow meow.

Student Rebecca Cardwell, 19, is also the first to be killed by the drug - real name mephedrone - since it was banned in April. In May Rebecca and four friends paid £5 each for the powder mixed with a small amount of other drugs.

An inquest at Burnley magistrates court was told she collapsed at a house in Colne and died three days later in hospital from acute liver failure. Pathologist Dr Abdul Al-Dawoud said the mephedrone in her system was more than three times the normal level for recreational use.

He also found the drugs BZP and TFMPP and amphetamines. He said the effect of all four caused her death.

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East Lancashire Coroner Richard Taylor told her parents Glen Cardwell and Maxine Thompson: "I only hope you may take some solace from the hope others may be dissuaded from taking these substances."

Verdict: Accident.

Meanwhile, police fear a craze for mixing ecstasy with cough and cold medicine may have claimed its first UK victim. Kate McLaughlin, 18, died in Ore, East Sussex, in July.


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Re: Rebecca, 19. is youngest victim of meow meow [UK] [Re: Green_T]
    #13355983 - 10/19/10 07:21 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Girl was nuts.  Why would you mix all those drugs in large quantities and expect not to have complications?

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Re: Rebecca, 19. is youngest victim of meow meow [UK] [Re: nice1]
    #13356145 - 10/19/10 08:33 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

So you blame it on the mephedrone. It couldn't possibly be the fault of any of the other stuff, right? :facepalm:

Oh, wait:

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He said the effect of all four caused her death.




But noooooo, this has to be blamed on the new drug terrorizing our kids!

Title should be "Stupid Girl Takes Huge Drug Cocktail and Dies."

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Re: Rebecca, 19. is youngest victim of meow meow [UK] [Re: Odd_Nonposter]
    #13356439 - 10/19/10 09:49 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

See, making things illegal causes death. If she could just go into a head shop in Britain and buy some mephedrone, she wouldn't have bought a dangerous mix of shit.


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Re: Rebecca, 19. is youngest victim of meow meow [UK] [Re: Odd_Nonposter]
    #13356455 - 10/19/10 09:52 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Not the pipes en-masse.  Not the meth.

Mephedrone, and mephedrone alone.  Certainly. 
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That's like hitting somebody with a .5g shot of smack, watching him blue out and die and saying hey man thats not our fault, he shouldn't have had so much coffee this morning :rolleyes:


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Re: Rebecca, 19. is youngest victim of meow meow [UK] [Re: Dutchie3k]
    #13356547 - 10/19/10 10:17 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

BZP, TMFPP, amphetamines, and mephedrone?

And her death is the DRUG'S fault?

Bitch the most I've ever taken together is meth and mdma in tab form, and also addy & ritalin, and these are relatively small amounts for my body weight.

Stupidity causes tragedy. Drugs remain innocent.

Title should have been "Stupid Girl Takes Huge Drug Cocktail and Dies. Responsible drug users still doing fine."

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Re: Rebecca, 19. is youngest victim of meow meow [UK] [Re: 5-HT2A]
    #13356755 - 10/19/10 11:00 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It's probably a good idea to read the article before you comment on it.

As much as I am for drug policy reform and, in general, legalization.. the fact that you can easily overdose on this drug when combined with other drugs makes me think that perhaps it is best left illegal. People are going to mix drugs together.. both people who are inexperienced, and people who are desperate (junkies and the like). I've heard of people dying from mixing it with opiates as well.


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Re: Rebecca, 19. is youngest victim of meow meow [UK] [Re: fung_us_among_us]
    #13356860 - 10/19/10 11:21 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

^ I don't see how prohibition would help. She probably got a mix that was unintentional on her behalf, i.e. she didn't mix it herself.

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Re: Rebecca, 19. is youngest victim of meow meow [UK] [Re: fung_us_among_us]
    #13356920 - 10/19/10 11:34 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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fung_us_among_us said:
As much as I am for drug policy reform and, in general, legalization.. the fact that you can easily overdose on this drug when combined with other drugs makes me think that perhaps it is best left illegal.




I'd agree with you completely if prohibition had been proven to work even in the slightest way, but unfortunately it does nothing except compound the problems we already have with some of these substances.  Education will go much farther in harm reduction than prohibition ever does.  Prohibition would actually pique the interest of people like this girl since it's supposedly "off limits" but still very easy to obtain.  It's time we stop basing a substance's danger on fear and propaganda tactics.  Let's get the real facts about some of these dangerous drugs out there so people can make informed decisions for themselves.

We do the same thing for regular every day products like bleach.  Bleach is very deadly but it's legal to purchase and it has a very clear warning label right on the bottle that warns what can happen if you were to ingest it.


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Re: Rebecca, 19. is youngest victim of meow meow [UK] [Re: SuperD]
    #13356948 - 10/19/10 11:39 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

"Youngest victim"

19 isn't exactly young. Old enough in my opinion to throw them a Darwin award without feeling bad. Natural selection is at work.

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Re: Rebecca, 19. is youngest victim of meow meow [UK] [Re: fung_us_among_us]
    #13356993 - 10/19/10 11:45 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

>the fact that you can easily overdose on this drug when combined with other drugs makes me think that perhaps it is best left illegal.<

Making it illegal certainly doesn't stop anyone from buying or using it. The only thing it does is push it underground and allow it to be sold in unknown purities, amounts, and adulterants by unscrupulous people. No one died from mephedrone before it was illegal. 99.99% pure mephedrone could be purchased online, in stores, and delivered by courier. The best thing thing would be to have it legal and regulated to minimize any negative effects. It is very unfortunate that this woman died, but by having mephedrone illegal just increases the likelihood of this happening again.

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Re: Rebecca, 19. is youngest victim of meow meow [UK] [Re: veggie]
    #13357712 - 10/19/10 02:32 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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He also found the drugs BZP and TFMPP and amphetamines.




Stop mixing drugs unless you know your pharmacokinetics.

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Re: Rebecca, 19. is youngest victim of meow meow [UK] [Re: Arden]
    #13357855 - 10/19/10 03:03 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Shit, just thought id check this out as my cousin is into MKAT. Turns out Colne is about 5-10 mins drive from me. Nearest school is Oakbank, she probs went there when she was 18.


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Re: Rebecca, 19. is youngest victim of meow meow [UK] [Re: Coheed88]
    #13358238 - 10/19/10 04:30 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Two things about this story strike me as very strange. First they said she only spent five pounds. It's not like you can buy huge amounts of drugs for five pounds. The other strange thing is cause of death -liver failure.

All her drugs were stimulants, so one might expect a heart attack, stroke, or something like that, but liver failure? It just does not sound right.


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Re: Rebecca, 19. is youngest victim of meow meow [UK] [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #13358447 - 10/19/10 05:24 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It sounds to me like she was sold mephedrone with all this stuff mixed in it by a shady dealer. Certainly I'm not the only one who interpreted it that way..

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Re: Rebecca, 19. is youngest victim of meow meow [UK] [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #13358494 - 10/19/10 05:33 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I imagine they got 1g for their £20 so if she took a fivers worth 250mg

Seems unlikely 250mg mix of those drugs would give liver failure

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Re: Rebecca, 19. is youngest victim of meow meow [UK] [Re: veggie]
    #13358495 - 10/19/10 05:33 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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>the fact that you can easily overdose on this drug when combined with other drugs makes me think that perhaps it is best left illegal.<

Making it illegal certainly doesn't stop anyone from buying or using it. The only thing it does is push it underground and allow it to be sold in unknown purities, amounts, and adulterants by unscrupulous people. No one died from mephedrone before it was illegal. 99.99% pure mephedrone could be purchased online, in stores, and delivered by courier. The best thing thing would be to have it legal and regulated to minimize any negative effects. It is very unfortunate that this woman died, but by having mephedrone illegal just increases the likelihood of this happening again.




(veg) I used to think that way also. Strict regulation and control is the only right answer. Someone's gonna know how to make it no matter what you say or do or threaten them with; except some guy in his basement using toilet bowl cleaner and paint thinner isn't going to be a safe production method, but he doesn't have to care.


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Re: Rebecca, 19. is youngest victim of meow meow [UK] [Re: nice1]
    #13361430 - 10/20/10 10:17 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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I imagine they got 1g for their £20 so if she took a fivers worth 250mg

Seems unlikely 250mg mix of those drugs would give liver failure





Exactly. I wonder if the stimulants had anything to do with it at all. A much larger dose would be required to cause liver toxicity, a dose that would probably be fatal for other reasons first. I suspect some other agent was involved - maybe acetaminophen from pain pills or something like that.


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