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[CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’
    #13349899 - 10/17/10 08:18 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

A sheriff that states publicly that he will refuse to obey the law. Lee Baca is a dangerous man and needs to be removed from office ...

L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’
October 16, 2010 - newsjunkiepost.com

Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca said on Friday that the voters don’t matter. His deputies’ enforcement of marijuana laws would not change even if voters approved Proposition 19, which would legalize cannabis in California, on November 2, according to the Sheriff.
“Proposition 19 is not going to pass, even if it passes,” Baca said in a news conference Friday at sheriff’s headquarters in Monterey Park, reports Robert Faturechi in The Los Angeles Times.

The department run by Sheriff Baca polices 75 percent of Los Angeles County. His staunch opposition to marijuana — even if it is legalized — was echoed Friday by an announcement from Attorney General Eric Holder that federal officials would continue to “vigorously enforce” cannabis laws in California, even if state voters pass the measure.

Baca, who is sworn to uphold California state law, claimed Prop 19 was superseded by federal law and if passed, would be found unconstitutional.

Standing onstage with other prominent opponents of marijuana legalization, including Los Angeles County District Attorney Steve Cooley, Sheriff Baca colorfully assailed marijuana use, users and sales.

Asked if he had ever experimented with pot, Baca left no room for doubt. “Hell, no,” he said.

Baca claimed legalizing cannabis would have far-reaching effects, including increasing the costs of drug rehabilitation (although most people in rehab for marijuana have been forced there by court order), causing traffic accidents (although marijuana is not a significant factor in auto wrecks), prompting labor disputes with employees getting high on the job (although Prop 19 gives employers the right “to address consumption that actually impairs job performance“), and providing a safe cover for drug cartels selling hard drugs.
California’s laws for pot smokers are already lenient enough, Baca claimed.

“If you a need for an ounce or less… then use your marijuana, but use it privately,” Baca said. “If you want to do a joint in your house, do it. Leave the rest of us alone.”

Baca claimed personal users smoking at home were already a non-priority for police agencies, including the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department. His department does target pot dealers, he said.

The sheriff came out against Prop 19 early on, joining with Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) to try to prevent its passage.
Polls have shown California voters are almost evenly split on legalization.

Incredibly, Baca claimed on Friday that local law enforcement agencies — which, again, are sworn to uphold state laws — should abide by federal drug laws prohibiting marijuana, even if Prop 19 passes.

“[Prop] 19 has no effect on what we’re going to do,” Baca said.

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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: veggie]
    #13349945 - 10/17/10 08:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Bring it on piggy

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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: veggie]
    #13349961 - 10/17/10 08:34 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

What a jackass.

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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: veggie]
    #13349962 - 10/17/10 08:35 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Why does L.A. County keep electing these stupid Nazi-like Sheriffs?

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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: Le_Canard]
    #13349976 - 10/17/10 08:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

haha oh man I was laughing hard reading through that whole article. This guy thinks he's above the law. Obviously he needs to be removed from his position as soon as possible. What an ignorant bald headed beady eyed cunt this idiot is.

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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: wowwtf]
    #13350000 - 10/17/10 08:46 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Lol, what a dumbass. I am a bit curious however as to how the police are going to deal with Prop 19 if it passes. State police can't arrest someone for a federal crime, can they?


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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: paridiso]
    #13350011 - 10/17/10 08:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I will personally dedicate myself to ruining this mans professional life if he seriously opposes, under color of law, a referendum measure by the majority of Californians.


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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: rodfarva]
    #13350027 - 10/17/10 08:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Need to find out how to vote this piece of shit out of any position of authority.

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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: wowwtf]
    #13350055 - 10/17/10 09:00 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'm willing to write some emails detailing the public's distaste for his strategies if anyone knows where to send them to.


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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: wowwtf]
    #13350095 - 10/17/10 09:14 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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He looks evil doesn't he? :punish2:
Sounds like someone is about to get fired.:lol:

He claims to be a marijuana expert, but has never tried it. That is like claiming to be an expert on flying an airplane without ever even sitting in the drivers seat. Shame on him.


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Asked if he had ever experimented with pot, Baca left no room for doubt. “Hell, no,” he said.



As in "Satan told me not to".

Even though Baca has never tried marijuana, he claims legalizing cannabis would have far-reaching effects, including increasing the costs of drug rehabilitation (although most people in rehab for marijuana have been forced there by court order or given the option of rehab or jail), causing traffic accidents (although marijuana is not a significant factor in auto wrecks), prompting labor disputes with employees getting high on the job (although Prop 19 gives employers the right “to address consumption that actually impairs job performance“), and providing a safe cover for drug cartels selling hard drugs (huh?). Beca is a failure.

If you a need for an ounce or less… then use your marijuana, but use it privately,” Baca said. “If you want to do a joint in your house, do it. Leave the rest of us alone.” Wait, did he say "If you a need for" what does that mean? "use your marijuana" and "do a joint"? Leave the rest of us alone? What do you mean? Is he drunk?

Baca claimed personal users smoking at home were already a non-priority for police agencies, including the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department. His department does target pot dealers, he said.

OK, so you don't target users who smoke at home without you knowing about it, but you target the people that sell the pot to the people that you don't target. You can't have people with pot, unless you have people to provide the pot. If you can't grow it yourself legally, then you have to get it from someone else. If someone else has to pay for it, they are going to have to sell it to you to get it. That is like saying "We don't care if you eat McDonalds food, but we will arrest McDonalds workers for selling you the food". So let's see, you arrest all the providers so that nobody is providing it, and you don't allow people to make their own, but you don't mind if people have their own. Your intention is to try to eliminate all the marijuana so that nobody has any at all. This means you are indirectly targeting people who use it privately in their own home.

Beca is stupid.:slowtard:

Again, it is the people who PROFIT (off easy targets), that are against Prop 19. They know pot heads don't put up physical fights, they know their generally very kind people, unlike drunks who can be dangerous to deal with. To them, busting pot dealers and pot heads is easy money. They don't care that they break up families and throw nice citizens in jail for just smoking a plant that doesn't harm other people or make them violent or more likely to commit a crime. They just want that easy money. Since so many people smoke weed, they have a high chance of probability of busting any random person they harass.

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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #13350127 - 10/17/10 09:21 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

To douchecop:

If it's legal under state law you can take it from me anyway and that's not theft? I fucking hope you're telling the truth about not targeting personal users in their homes, because if it's legal and somebody other than the Feds themselves comes in to take it from me there's gonna be gunplay just like if you walked in my house and tried to take my 1000$+ LCD tv. I am not gonna be missing with a pump down my hallway, either.


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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: veggie]
    #13350134 - 10/17/10 09:24 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'm typically not into stereotyping, but just look at the guy in the picture.  You can tell he isn't very intelligent.


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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: Le_Canard]
    #13350139 - 10/17/10 09:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Why does L.A. County keep electing these stupid Nazi-like Sheriffs?




Christians, basically. Their whole mantra is pretty nazi-tastic anyway.


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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: guest1]
    #13350175 - 10/17/10 09:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i could see this getting uglious..especially in the face of a neo-fascist US congress...

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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: SuperD]
    #13350190 - 10/17/10 09:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm typically not into stereotyping, but just look at the guy in the picture.  You can tell he isn't very intelligent.




You don't have to pass an IQ test to be a Senator!

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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: blujay]
    #13350221 - 10/17/10 09:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

he looks like the spawn of the devil:shocked:

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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: blujay]
    #13350256 - 10/17/10 09:52 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I don't see how they can claim that employers would be forced to let employees smoke on the job. A business is private property and property owners can say what goes on their property. I worked at a factory where you could be sent home if you get caught smoking on factory property.

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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: SgtFloyd]
    #13350360 - 10/17/10 10:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

its rare that i will hate someone i havent met but this man has done it for me.  why does this have to be so hard? i bet this stupid ass had a beer after this interview. he is wrong, prop 19 will pass and things will be set right. it is our right to get high!


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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: Revolutionine]
    #13350407 - 10/17/10 10:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

This man should be fucking castrated.


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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: stew248]
    #13350670 - 10/18/10 12:21 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

"Baca claimed personal users smoking at home were already a non-priority for police agencies, including the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department"

Yeah California, there's no need to pass prop19 because they don't prosecute it anyway, haha

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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: blujay]
    #13350762 - 10/18/10 12:54 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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blujay said:
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ToiletDuk said:
Why does L.A. County keep electing these stupid Nazi-like Sheriffs?




Christians, basically. Their whole mantra is pretty nazi-tastic anyway.





goddamn facists.  this cop should be fired immediately. maybe even thrown in jail. sounds like an insane person or just a real dumb ass

Edited by skatealex2 (10/18/10 12:55 AM)

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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: skatealex2]
    #13350946 - 10/18/10 02:20 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

first off i feel like this guy has never smoked weed in his life, and i feel it is necessary to know what your talking about in order to have an accurate standpoint on the situation/topic. secondly he says its ok to smoke pot in private, how does he expect the people to get the marijuana? grow it in their hoses? would they not be going after them for intent to distribute? thats ridiculous these people are going to their local pot dealers, which apparently are the bad marijuana users he is targeting, he isent makin any sense-this guy is a fucking tard. the fact that its even being considered for legalization is a great sign, to me anyway nothing anyone does will ever stop people from using drugs :shrug:


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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: Invisible_Woe]
    #13351018 - 10/18/10 03:17 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Scary. I'm starting to worry for this prop again. Those who used to be in power support it for the most part, but those who ARE in power oppose it. We need more support in california, immediately.


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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: Mickalopagus]
    #13351067 - 10/18/10 04:25 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

This Sheriff is a coward.

Guess what Baca?

You have the upper hand in your county.  The Sheriff is the highest law of the land.  Not Eric Holder, the DEA, FBI, and not some piss ant police chief.
  If the people vote in a state law, it is the sheriffs duty to uphold that law, unless of course it violates the U.S., or state constitution.  If the DEA wants to come to L.A. county guess what? It is the sheriff who is supposed to grant or deny permission to the DEA.  It is not the other way around.

What usually happens is the feds will give the sheriff new toys, or money to buy new toys and pay himself, and his deputies bonuses.  That federal money is not free,  It has strings attached like free reign of the county.  A bribe to get their federal boots on the ground.

After watching Bush steal the election in 2000, again in 2004, and Obummer brainwashing the masses.  Id have to say that prop 19 will probably be hacked in the favor of the alcohol and tobacco corporations.

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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: downlowfunk]
    #13351483 - 10/18/10 08:58 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

wow, the usa cannabis laws and babylon seem to have become more draconian than ever. i thought uk was a bit anal bout it. whats arnie got to say about all this? this little bald babylon is a caricature of every us redneck cop we see on tv over here. fuck the man. i wish you well people of usa. mahalos

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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: shroomzi8]
    #13351561 - 10/18/10 09:31 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

...Awh the ignorance from past generations now trying to teach us the right way?
"Experts" .... We really need another word for them because I haven't seen or heard a real expert at all in my life other then incompetent asshole cops who where "trained" "educated" .

This man right here is a perfect example of just how stupid we really are and somewhere down the gene-pool this guy came up. It go's to show how hypocritical all those "law officials" are I really do hate pigcops :snub: .

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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: Scruffy404]
    #13351589 - 10/18/10 09:42 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I was reading the comments on the LA times site, and most of the people are in support of 19, and recalling this Sherrif.

One of the posters made a real good point: He has no jurisdiction over federal law, and if he tries to arrest anyone for anything allowed under 19, he will be laughed out of court. Can you imagine if he tried to arrest someone for buying a beer because he didn't agree with the 21st amendment?

I was once at court, and remember seeing a court situation go like this:
Judge: You are charged with minor in possession?
Defendant: Yes your honor
Judge: Care to explain yourself?
Defendant: It was my 21st birthday, and the ticket was issued at 1:05am
Judge: You were given a ticket for drinking when you were 21? There is no crime here, all charges dropped. Next case.

I'm more concerned with people pointing to the RAND study saying that it won't affect cartels, and therefore is a reason to keep marijuana illegal (wtf?).


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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: Green_T]
    #13351644 - 10/18/10 10:04 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'm speechless. This man won't last long though if prop 19 passes.


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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: veggie]
    #13351684 - 10/18/10 10:17 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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"...vigorously enforce cannabis laws in California"




makes no sense... so he is vigorously enforcing old marijuana laws... this guy won't last long.

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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: Invisible_Woe]
    #13351819 - 10/18/10 10:54 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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first off i feel like this guy has never smoked weed in his life, and i feel it is necessary to know what your talking about in order to have an accurate standpoint on the situation/topic. secondly he says its ok to smoke pot in private, how does he expect the people to get the marijuana? grow it in their hoses? would they not be going after them for intent to distribute? thats ridiculous these people are going to their local pot dealers, which apparently are the bad marijuana users he is targeting, he isent makin any sense-this guy is a fucking tard. the fact that its even being considered for legalization is a great sign, to me anyway nothing anyone does will ever stop people from using drugs :shrug:




He said so himself.


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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: Green_T]
    #13351833 - 10/18/10 10:58 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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I was reading the comments on the LA times site, and most of the people are in support of 19, and recalling this Sherrif.

One of the posters made a real good point: He has no jurisdiction over federal law, and if he tries to arrest anyone for anything allowed under 19, he will be laughed out of court.




Or shot. Not like you can just kick down a door for no reason and walk into somebody's house and expect not to be. Since no judge will be signing a warrant if it does pass, I don't see what puts him different from anybody else who would kick a door in and rob someone.


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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: blujay]
    #13351938 - 10/18/10 11:17 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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I was reading the comments on the LA times site, and most of the people are in support of 19, and recalling this Sherrif.

One of the posters made a real good point: He has no jurisdiction over federal law, and if he tries to arrest anyone for anything allowed under 19, he will be laughed out of court.




Or shot. Not like you can just kick down a door for no reason and walk into somebody's house and expect not to be. Since no judge will be signing a warrant if it does pass, I don't see what puts him different from anybody else who would kick a door in and rob someone.





He THINKS his badge is the difference :rofl2: what an idiot the man is


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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: veggie]
    #13351947 - 10/18/10 11:20 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Dude totally looks like Captain Logan from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure:

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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: Seuss]
    #13352441 - 10/18/10 01:10 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Can anyone find contact information for this guy?  I'll happily email him with my thoughts on his ridiculous stance.


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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: SuperD] * 1
    #13352532 - 10/18/10 01:32 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

You could try ...

Sheriff's Department  General Mailing Address
Leroy D. Baca, Sheriff
Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department
4700 Ramona Blvd.
Monterey Park, CA 91754

Contact the Sheriff's Department  or your local police
Complaints/ Commendations  (800) 698-8255

Or their Commendation/Complaint page here:
http://www.lasdhq.org/contact_us/commendation.html

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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: veggie]
    #13353241 - 10/18/10 03:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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veggie said:
Or their Commendation/Complaint page here:
http://www.lasdhq.org/contact_us/commendation.html




Perfect! :smile: Thank you.  I might even save that page to my favorites so I can frequently remind them how absurd Mr. Baca's stance is. :thumbup:  Sending them a complaint now.


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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: SuperD]
    #13353606 - 10/18/10 05:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Someone give this joker some brownies already...

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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: D.M.T]
    #13353615 - 10/18/10 05:20 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Eh what a scum bag.
Luckily I have a sheriff that I will actually vote for, one that serves the people.

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Re: [CA] L.A. Sheriff: Pot Legalization ‘Not Going To Pass, Even If It Passes’ [Re: 4runner]
    #13356397 - 10/19/10 09:40 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If the thing passes as soon as he arrests somone he must be sued for false imprisonment. He's not a federal agent and has no federal authority. He would be arresting people for something that is legal.


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