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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Chespirito]
    #13391521 - 10/26/10 05:53 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Im skeptical of college kids actually getting out to vote




That is when people are actually politically very active, and especially so about marijuana and other social issues.


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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Green_T]
    #13391852 - 10/26/10 07:13 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Chespirito said:
Im skeptical of college kids actually getting out to vote




That is when people are actually politically very active, and especially so about marijuana and other social issues.



ehhh, not so. College kids don't vote very well. Once people start voting they tend to keep voting, which almost guarantees students will be outnumbered, even as a %

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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: PoisonCrazy]
    #13394524 - 10/27/10 10:29 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Chespirito said:
Im skeptical of college kids actually getting out to vote




That is when people are actually politically very active, and especially so about marijuana and other social issues.



ehhh, not so. College kids don't vote very well. Once people start voting they tend to keep voting, which almost guarantees students will be outnumbered, even as a %




College kids like me were able to elect a WWF wrestler, Jesse "the mind" Ventura, as governor of MN!


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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Happy2fly]
    #13396037 - 10/27/10 04:07 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #13399201 - 10/28/10 04:20 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Prop 19 Trails in Two More Polls, But Glimmers of Hope Remain
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California's tax and regulate marijuana legalization initiative, Proposition 19, is trailing in two more polls, adding to a run of disappointing poll results as election day draws near. According to the Talking Points Memo Polltracker, five separate polls in the past week have Prop 19 losing by an average of 50.3% to 42.6%. (A Yes on 19 internal poll not included in the Polltracker has the measure ahead 45% to 42%.)

A SurveyUSA poll released Wednesday had the measure trailing 44% to 46%, well with the poll's 4% margin of error. As SurveyUSA put it, "not yet enough breathing room for 'No' to be considered a clear favorite, but enough of a 'Yes' erosion for backers to be gravely concerned."

A CNN/Time poll released Tuesday was worse. It had Prop 19 losing 53% to 45%, with a +/-3.5% margin of error, among likely voters. (The numbers were slightly better for registered voters, 51% to 47%). The measure trailed among both men (46%) and women (44%) and whites (42%) and non-whites (49%). Only among liberals (76%), voters under 50 (57%), Democrats (55%), and the San Francisco Bay area (55%) was Prop 19 polling a majority.

The CNN/Time poll measured responses from 1,328 registered voters and 888 likely voters. The poll was conducted by phone interview.

The SurveyUSA poll is worrisome because a series of SurveyUSA polls as recent as October 18 had Prop 19 winning, but it does hold some faint glimmers of hope. It measured both likely and actual voters—early voting has been going on for several weeks now—and it also polled cell phone users. Among people who only had cell phones, Prop 19 led, 48% to 36%. It also led among people who rarely vote in mid-term elections, 53% to 39%. And it led among people who had not yet voted, 45% to 42%, while trailing among those had already voted, 43% to 54%.

Those poll finding suggest that the initiative could still emerge victorious if it can get the young and tech-savvy and the "unlikely voters" who may be motivated by the issue to actually get out and vote. Prop 19 and its allies have been whipping their get out the vote campaign hard, and this week's million dollar infusion  courtesy of George Soros may still give it the oomph to get over the final hurdle on Tuesday.



-Stop the Drug War.org

It is trailing in the latest polls. As this article states, it depends on the younger people actually getting out to vote. Remember not everyone who smokes is as passionate about this issue as we are: remind people this issue is on the ballot. Post something up on your facebook the day of the election or the day prior to remind people about this important issue.


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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Green_T]
    #13400669 - 10/28/10 12:41 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

its a real shame prop 19 isn't passing. Coming from a Californian, even the weed smokers down here aren't in unanimous support of it. If we can't rally our own, how do we possibly expect to win? Its a real shame that Richard Lee had to write the bill with his pocketbook in mind, not the general well being of the community.

I'd love to eat my words, but you heard it here first folks.


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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: danielx]
    #13400765 - 10/28/10 12:56 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

just wait til tomorrow, u will see the magic of :feelsgoodman: doin' thangs with prop 19

it was gonna be doin' thangs today, but it's gonna be doin' thangs tomorrow, there was a slight delay in doin' thangs, but still there was a lil bit of doin' thangs.


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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #13401492 - 10/28/10 03:07 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

you're overdoing it with doin' thangs, don't kill that shit :scared:

a friend of mine, a medical user, posted "prop 19 = lame" on facebook. another friend immediately replied with "prop 215 = win." there were, by the time i read this status, 30 comments, most people trying to change the OP's mind and the OP retardedly berating them.

i came in, brought up how it's a civil rights issue, refuted every point he made and basically called him out on his dumbfuckery and selfishness. he said he agreed with me but was still voting no.

again i called him out, saying he says he agreed with me but everything he said previous to my post says otherwise, and that he was again voting no for selfish reasons. i implored him to vote yes on prop 19 and told him i could refute any disagreements he had.

he posted today saying that he agrees with the overall points i made and said he was still voting no as of yet, but he's beginning to be swayed and will do some research before making his final decision.

today, i'm hoping i can convince him to change his mind.




i cannot believe the amount of stupidity i've seen in interpreting this issue. :facepalm:


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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Rhapsode]
    #13401511 - 10/28/10 03:11 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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you're overdoing it with doin' thangs, don't kill that shit :scared:





i'd only be overdoing it if i was overdoing it,

i'm overdoin' it.


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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Rhapsode]
    #13401633 - 10/28/10 03:34 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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i cannot believe the amount of stupidity i've seen in interpreting this issue. :facepalm:





I know, from pot smokers no less!  Wait...


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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: scienceguy]
    #13402576 - 10/28/10 06:18 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Newbie I don't think you should have closed that thread with the taiwanese video.

That was more about the ridiculous video and hardly about prop 19 in general.


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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: propensity]
    #13402608 - 10/28/10 06:24 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

gotta fuckin win...

gotta fuckin win..


all the teachers and msot of my friends mom are voting yes

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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #13404598 - 10/29/10 02:24 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I dont see how this prop was written in Richard Lee's best interests. He put his own money out there our of concern for social equality; the people against prop 19 using that argument are easily transparent for their own selfish reasons.


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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: ManianFH]
    #13404668 - 10/29/10 02:54 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

most of the arguments i've seen against prop 19 have come from self-serving card holders who don't wish to give up their privileged cannabis.

it's sickening, especially because one of the people i'm having a debate with is somewho i fell out of touch with, but who was a great friend and free-thinker who's too caught up in his selfish desires to see the greater good.


his argument against prop 19? "i think all the people voting yes are too lazy to get their cannabis cards."

:facepalm: :sad:


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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Rhapsode]
    #13405164 - 10/29/10 08:36 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I live in Fla so this won't impact me directly but I hope it passes because it will encourage other states to pass simular measures and may eventualy lead to the fed changing it's bullshit anti-weed laws.


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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: SublimeFlaBoy]
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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: PreparationH]
    #13408334 - 10/29/10 09:27 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)


NORML; please support prop 19, folks


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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Salomon]
    #13410827 - 10/30/10 02:47 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I, like many in this thread, am always shocked to see people say they are AGAINST the legilization of cannabis...especially people who have grown to appreciate this beautiful herb we all love so much.

With that said, I will say I think drug society or "the pot industry" is as corrupt a concept as any other industrial or society driven ideal. 

Cannabis is a plant.  A plant, like many other plants, that has medicinal and recreation uses [hell, there are whole fields of medicine using only plants and herbs that have been in use for thousands of years]. 

And as I see it, through some very corrupt, idealistic and twisted thought process humans decided it would be the right move to outlaw certain plants.  As if to say, "We are here and have the right to exist but these plants do not! They are merely imposters on our land! Anyone caught with such plants will be punished!!"

uhh...now back in times when people of color were thought to be unholy men and woman were considered less than men, I am not suprised that many reached the conclusions they did...

BUT NOW, we are in a time of global connectivity.  Humans have become one in awareness.  In the past 60 years we have began to shed the low-level thinking we held so tightly to for thousands of years.  More walls are being broken down everyday! The walls we fought for so long to keep high and strong.  Ideas of seperation are being replaced by ideas of oneness.  It is about time we realize we cannot outlaw plants...we cannot outlaw nature.  And sure enough we should not punish each other for such realizations!

To deny such thinking based on maintaining some sort of industry or society is the exact reason it became illegal in the first place! Somethings are more "true" than any industry or society could be...things like plants, nature, compassion...things that all lead to one thought...End this ridiculous prohibition on this beautiful plant and free our brothers and sisters who have lost soooo much thanks to this unjust and corrupt law.

And for those who continue to support these absurd laws--I hope and pray that you, your family and friends never fall victim to the very laws you continue to support so that you can make a quick buck!


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