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 laserpig
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 Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion  [Re: notapillow]  2
#13373222 - 10/22/10 07:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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You realize that you'll be able to legally grow your own, right?
And that, just like any other product, multiple suppliers at different scales of production will exist?
In all probability, people up in NorCal will start growing weed in much the same way that people produce specialty wines and beer in microbreweries. AKA, quality, quality stuff.
You're assuming that once it's legalized, the gov't will hand it over to Monsanto and make it illegal for anyone else.
That's retarded.
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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: laserpig]
#13373267 - 10/22/10 07:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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laserpig said:
You're assuming that once it's legalized, the gov't will hand it over to Monsanto and make it illegal for anyone else.
incase you're like me and didn't know what hes talking about, Monsanto
never mind the president, lets over-grow the government.
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watisituya
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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Salomon]
#13373342 - 10/22/10 07:55 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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amen
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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: watisituya]
#13373392 - 10/22/10 08:04 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm very much for legalization but prop 19 was written by big business for big business. It doesn't have the people or the plant's best interest, only big business's. People can't seem to see the forest through the trees. Most seem to be stuck on the concept of 'legalization' and are willing to take it anyway they can get it. Everyone is ready to jump at this and that's what they are banking on. CA HAS to do this and of course they are trying the most outlandish bill possible. If the people rejected it legalization wouldn't go away. CA can't afford not to get it legalized. They would come back with a way more worthy bill. One worthy of the people, not big business!
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muistrue
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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Apes]
#13373434 - 10/22/10 08:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Prop 19 allows the counties to tax and regulate cannabis themselves. Some counties are already drawing up what they would do if it passes. You know that 5x5 garden you're allowed to have? Word on the street is that the tax on having that garden could be as high as $20,000 a year. You could be in more trouble with the irs than pot could get you, especially considering California is a medical state.
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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: muistrue]
#13373449 - 10/22/10 08:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep. and if you're a grower like me then you know 25 square feet is not enough to have a true garden w/ mother plants, a veg area, and a flower room.
All people hear is the word legalization. And they can't hear anything else. They haven't read the fine print.
As Tom Wait's said, "The big print giveth and the small print taketh away"
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niteowl
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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Apes]
#13374540 - 10/23/10 01:55 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm hearing way too much 'Im gonna loose money so this is a bad idea' BULLSHIT
Fuck y'all and your profits.
If the law isn't set up for business to make money then it would NEVER FUCKING PASS 
Once businesses and the government have made their profit, then it won't be shit to amend the law.
!!!!!!!!!!!!BUT FIRST WE HAVE TO MAKE IT LEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Apes]
#13374631 - 10/23/10 02:40 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Repealing alcohol's prohibition had no concerns for the mom & pop bootlegger. 
You're going to get ran out of business. That's the whole idea. Keep the organized criminals from making so much easy $$$ that they are no longer willing to break the law to sustain their business and all the unregulated practices they use to secure their business.
Are you afraid of competing with a legitimate business or worse... becoming one?
The unethical and illegitimate businesses supported by drug prohibition has always been the criminal issue. Everyother drug issue is and has been civil.
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Silversoul
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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: niteowl]
#13375114 - 10/23/10 07:57 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
niteowl said:
I'm hearing way too much 'Im gonna loose money so this is a bad idea' BULLSHIT
Fuck y'all and your profits.
If the law isn't set up for business to make money then it would NEVER FUCKING PASS
Once businesses and the government have made their profit, then it won't be shit to amend the law.
!!!!!!!!!!!!BUT FIRST WE HAVE TO MAKE IT LEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!
The latest polls show it to be a toss-up.
GET THE FUCK OUT AND VOTE, PEOPLE!!!!
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Rebirtha
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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Apes] 2
#13375705 - 10/23/10 11:29 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Apes said:
Yep. and if you're a grower like me then you know 25 square feet is not enough to have a true garden w/ mother plants, a veg area, and a flower room.
All people hear is the word legalization. And they can't hear anything else. They haven't read the fine print.
As Tom Wait's said, "The big print giveth and the small print taketh away"
I have grown for years as well and realize the space needed (though I don't grow anymore because I moved out of California). You still seem to want to have a garden, but really this is for personal consumption. You could have a mother plant and babies vegging in a small area inside and do an outdoor grow every year with just 1 or 2 plants and still have plenty to smoke. I have pulled over 2 lbs off large plants. Granted, one plant like that would take up probably more that 25 square feet but it is also more than I would smoke in a year. In Humboldt county there is no plant limit but there is a 100 sq. ft limit for medical marijuana, yet people still plant acres of their property with no problems. Do you really think that you are going to have a problem with this? The police would have no reason to come onto your property, and it's for personal use you don't really need that many plants. . I have a strong feeling your income comes from this like every medical marijuana grower I know. Get a real job, It's not perfect but get over it. It really is a ridiculous thing to complain about, especially since you have medical and don't have to change what you are doing at all. This is a definite step in the right direction "Oh no! I only 25 square feet!" who cares, most people will probably just buy clones in the spring and do and outdoor crop for personal consumption. If you don't work and are a medical grower who sells weed, why don't you stay off my well paved tax-paid roads. Taxes are a part of life, and if you don't agree where the government spends the money, than that has nothing to do with Proposition 19.
I guarantee you this proposition will change just like prop 215 and prop 420 were amended. There are obviously problems, like the problem that once you harvest your plant, its probably more than an ounce, especially before its dried. These issues have to be addressed, and if you think the government will arrest people for this without a public outcry you would be dead wrong, especially once this becomes a household item.
Edited by Rebirtha (10/23/10 11:35 AM)
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niteowl
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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Rebirtha]
#13376549 - 10/23/10 02:44 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: niteowl]
#13379832 - 10/24/10 11:10 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ive got a friend whos currently in jail in cali facing 4 and a half years for a ganja grow that was smaller than 25 square feet.
As well as being detrimental to his health/sanity its also costing your taxpayers alot to keep him locked up!
I say vote yes on prop 19 and free him and hundreds of other innocent men and women.
I also hope that our country (uk) sees the bennefit of this legislation and follows suit. Our economy could certainly do with the extra funds!
It may not be perfect but its defo a step in the right directin.
PLEASE IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE ---- VOTE YES!!!
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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: shroomlover]
#13380142 - 10/24/10 12:45 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm mailing in my absentee ballot tomorrow. I've been telling everyone I know to register to vote for the last six months. Spreading the word as much as I can.
Tell all your non-stoner friends to vote as well, we certainly need their votes. Keep spreading the word, it's going to be down to the wire!!
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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Plok]
#13382212 - 10/24/10 08:17 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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voted
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Shroomism
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VOTED!
+1 for 19
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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Shroomism]
#13390371 - 10/26/10 01:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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This will help the situation in california, but the broader implications are important to me. I really hope that we don't get a negative reaction in california, and have it turn the tide of sentiment against the drug war.
best case, which I think is a possibility, is a reconsideration of drug policy generally, state-by-state and eventually federally
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LicHmicrO
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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: PoisonCrazy]
#13390812 - 10/26/10 03:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I swear if you fuck this up California, I will NEVER forgive you.
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niteowl
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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: LicHmicrO] 1
#13390904 - 10/26/10 03:33 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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What is so sad is that, there are pot smokers that will vote against this 
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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: niteowl]
#13391130 - 10/26/10 04:24 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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^^^
went promoting today at glendale community college, every professor that i tried to talk to, just looked at me and said "don't bother, i already voted", "voted yes?" "duhh voted yes", alot of the students were uniformed or uninterested, but many said they were going to vote yes and asked where the polls were, handed out alot of flyers
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Chespirito
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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: realfuzzhead]
#13391361 - 10/26/10 05:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im skeptical of college kids actually getting out to vote
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