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OfflineNewbieS
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Official Proposition 19 Discussion
    #13348476 - 10/17/10 01:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

There are a TON of threads discussing prop 19 appearing in the Pub lately.  Rather than spanning it out across multiple threads, I feel it best to centralize it. 

The proposition is outlined here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_19_(2010)

Some recent threads discussing it (for quotation purposes and whatnot):

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13395598#13395598
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13346228/gonew/1#UNREAD
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13342742#13342742
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13318221#13318221
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13306850#13306850
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13341580#13341580

In my personal opinion, I think if passed it's a huge leap in the right direction.  If I were rotting in prison because of it, I'd be pissed I was still there but there'd be a part of me that'd smile at the fact that at least one state in america is taking a step in the right direction.  Take it away guys!

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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Newbie] * 1
    #13348512 - 10/17/10 01:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

IMO there is only one real argument to be had regarding prop 19, and it's a very, very serious one.

People are in JAIL for selling and/or growing a plant.
Years of their lives, wasted, stolen from them.
This is a FUCKING OUTRAGE.

Every one of you who is even THINKING about voting no on prop 19, remember this:
If you do, you are complicit in the unjust incarceration of multiple thousands of innocent people.

Sorry to bring you crashing back to reality, but them's the facts.


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Edited by laserpig (10/17/10 01:57 PM)

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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: laserpig]
    #13348518 - 10/17/10 01:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

But keeping it illegal only allows for more people to be incarcerated.  The change has to start somewhere and I say better sooner than later.

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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: laserpig]
    #13348527 - 10/17/10 01:54 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

laserpig said:
you are implicit in the unjust incarceration of multiple thousands of innocent people.





complicit

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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Newbie]
    #13348537 - 10/17/10 01:56 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

What I'm saying is that every Californian has a strict moral obligation to vote for prop 19, because even if they don't fancy the specific regulation schemes being proposed, to vote against 19 is to endorse the unjust incarceration of thousands of innocents.

*Thanks Pris.


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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: laserpig]
    #13348573 - 10/17/10 02:04 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Prop 19 isn't perfect, but it is a HUGE step forward. There has been so much money and energy pumped into this, that if it fails, the recovery will take a long time.

For those who are younger than 21, remember that the 3 years will pass one way or another, and weed will either be legal to grow and smoke (if 19 passes) or it won't be.


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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Green_T]
    #13348607 - 10/17/10 02:11 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Green_T said:
Prop 19 isn't perfect, but it is a HUGE step forward.




I agree. I'm beginning to think this has a real chance of passing. As someone once said "nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come".

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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Le_Canard]
    #13348654 - 10/17/10 02:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

This is what it looks like on the ballot. Should be easy to spot, since it is the first one under "state initiatives" :smile:



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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Green_T]
    #13348680 - 10/17/10 02:28 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Looks good! :laugh: I never thought I'd see this day this come up. If it passes in California, other states will be sure to follow.

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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Green_T]
    #13348681 - 10/17/10 02:28 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I think its a only a matter of time before its legal in all states. Probably not till after the baby boomers parents are all dead, out of power and dont have a vote which is almost to that point. In my opinion thats why this bill is on the table and its dam near legal in around 15-20 states now I think with the medical thing. I hope they pass it so we can move on to making shrooms legal.

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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: big duder]
    #13349305 - 10/17/10 06:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

All but one recent poll shows Prop 19 winning.  It's going to come down to who shows up to vote.

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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: laserpig]
    #13349452 - 10/17/10 06:45 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

First off, Im all for Prop 19


but if this is your best argument for it....

Quote:

laserpig said:
IMO there is only one real argument to be had regarding prop 19, and it's a very, very serious one.

People are in JAIL for selling and/or growing a plant.
Years of their lives, wasted, stolen from them.
This is a FUCKING OUTRAGE.

Every one of you who is even THINKING about voting no on prop 19, remember this:
If you do, you are complicit in the unjust incarceration of multiple thousands of innocent people.

Sorry to bring you crashing back to reality, but them's the facts.




Didn't the Governor of Cali just sign a law that prevents people from being arrested for possession?

Doesn't that do what your wanting?


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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: niteowl]
    #13349490 - 10/17/10 06:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Possession was already just barely a crime in California.
Arnold's "decriminalization" changes very little.

You'll notice, if you read my post more carefully, that I said "growing and/or selling."

To focus only on the legality of possession misses much more than half of the picture.
IMO we all deserve the right to cultivate any plant we like, and use it or sell it as we please.
I think it is an absolute outrage that one can be imprisoned for gardening, and I have utter contempt for those who fail to take this into account.


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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: laserpig]
    #13349611 - 10/17/10 07:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Hope it stops raining here in socal so i can actually go out and promote this, there are sooooo many undecided voters that if you live in California and are a shroomery member, it is your duty to this whole site, and everyone in the other 49 states to do whatever you can to make this prop win.

I'm going to the local colleges to hand out flyers and let people know the truth.:happyweed:

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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: laserpig]
    #13349719 - 10/17/10 07:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

laserpig said:
What I'm saying is that every Californian has a strict moral obligation to vote for prop 19, because even if they don't fancy the specific regulation schemes being proposed, to vote against 19 is to endorse the unjust incarceration of thousands of innocents.

*Thanks Pris.






In my opinion prop 19 will be horrible to the industry. Yea many people knowingly broke an unjust law to engage in cultivation of marijuana and are incarcerated in jail;  But that is that.  Sux.

If 19 passes I think millions of federal dollars will be withheld in an attempt to gain control by the feds.  That and small time growers will be outta business unless I can start sending packages to you outta state.:tinfoil:  On the other hand doesn't prop 19 also allow for stricter penalties for growers not licensed?  Another issue.  That and do you really think the feds will let Oaksterdam open his warehouses? Prop 19 will probably pass. And I need a new job.  I think the quality of buds on the scene will diminish.  I see huge crops of outdoor flooding the market; homegrown.  It sux enough in the bay right now.  Go on cl and see what a qp is selling for. :facepalm:

How can I make money if these fuckers are flooding the mkt...


I have a 215 card.  I will vote no on prop 19 and I urge you to do so as well.  Protect the industry.  Possession of an ounce or less is already just an infraction in california.  We don't need this. That and if you are 18, do you really want to wait 3 years to smoke legally when you can get a card at 18 and smoke now?


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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: cacharstar]
    #13349760 - 10/17/10 07:50 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

:crymeariver:

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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: Chespirito]
    #13349775 - 10/17/10 07:52 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

:crankey:


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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: cacharstar]
    #13349791 - 10/17/10 07:56 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

cacharstar said:
How can I make money if these fuckers are flooding the mkt...

I have a 215 card.  I will vote no on prop 19 and I urge you to do so as well.  Protect the industry.



FUCK your "industry" you goddamn selfish prick.
I have nothing to say to you.

Pris, you can ban me again for this if you need to, but at least don't delete my words.


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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: cacharstar] * 1
    #13349808 - 10/17/10 07:59 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Beer is legal, and the GOOD brewers still make money...

Competition is only scary when you're bad at what you do.  :wink:


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Re: Official Proposition 19 Discussion [Re: cacharstar]
    #13349861 - 10/17/10 08:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

cacharstar said:
Quote:

laserpig said:
What I'm saying is that every Californian has a strict moral obligation to vote for prop 19, because even if they don't fancy the specific regulation schemes being proposed, to vote against 19 is to endorse the unjust incarceration of thousands of innocents.

*Thanks Pris.






In my opinion prop 19 will be horrible to the industry. Yea many people knowingly broke an unjust law to engage in cultivation of marijuana and are incarcerated in jail;  But that is that.  Sux.

If 19 passes I think millions of federal dollars will be withheld in an attempt to gain control by the feds.  That and small time growers will be outta business unless I can start sending packages to you outta state.:tinfoil:  On the other hand doesn't prop 19 also allow for stricter penalties for growers not licensed?  Another issue.  That and do you really think the feds will let Oaksterdam open his warehouses? Prop 19 will probably pass. And I need a new job.  I think the quality of buds on the scene will diminish.  I see huge crops of outdoor flooding the market; homegrown.  It sux enough in the bay right now.  Go on cl and see what a qp is selling for. :facepalm:

How can I make money if these fuckers are flooding the mkt...


I have a 215 card.  I will vote no on prop 19 and I urge you to do so as well.  Protect the industry.  Possession of an ounce or less is already just an infraction in california.  We don't need this. That and if you are 18, do you really want to wait 3 years to smoke legally when you can get a card at 18 and smoke now?





did you even read the bill? You sir, are a pussy. Its people like you who put thier personal gain over a chance for PROPER CIVIL LIBERTIES, NOT JUST TO CALIFORNIA BUT AS A DOMINO EFFECT FOR ALL U.S. STATES.
and if you are 18 you can still get marijuana in you get your medical card! prop 215. isnt effected by prop 19 at all.

god damnit, fuck you

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