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Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon
    #13343634 - 10/16/10 11:47 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon
October 15, 2010 - KDRV

MEDFORD, Ore. - Synthetic marijuana is now illegal in the state of Oregon.

The State Board of Pharmacy voted Wednesday to ban the distribution and possession of synthetic cannabis, also known as 'Spice', 'K2' and 'Yucatan Fire'. It has now been added to the Oregon list of controlled substances.

The drug is a herbal incense that has been sold over-the-counter. In a press release Thursday, the Board of Pharmacy stated that the drug" is not intended for human consumption". Gary A. Schnabel, executive director of the Oregon Board of Pharmacy said: "Consumers must understand that these products are potentially very dangerous."

"It's sold as incense, so it says 'not for human consumption' So that's almost like a neon sign saying, 'hey, come and smoke this stuff'," said Dr. Darryl Inaba with the Addictions Recovery Center.

Oregon now joins more than a dozen other states in banning synthetic marijuana.


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Re: Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon [Re: Green_T]
    #13343648 - 10/16/10 11:50 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

It was inevitable. I'll bet most of the states will have banned that stuff by this time next year,

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Re: Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon [Re: Green_T]
    #13343665 - 10/16/10 11:53 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yup....  Was expected..  Synthetic legal pot on a technicality going away soon...

Legal pot right around the corner.


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Re: Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon [Re: Raw]
    #13343732 - 10/16/10 12:11 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'd much rather have the real thing anyway. It is a great time to be a toker! :gethigh:

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Re: Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon [Re: Le_Canard]
    #13343941 - 10/16/10 12:55 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

yea, good riddance to that spice bullshit anyways


we dont need that fake shit here in oregon :happyweed:

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Re: Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon [Re: blazenn]
    #13344099 - 10/16/10 01:28 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

blazenn said:
yea, good riddance to that spice bullshit anyways


we dont need that fake shit here in oregon :happyweed:




Oh cool, I didn't know Cannabis was legal in Oregon!:eek: I thought California was the first place in USA that might make it legal to have without a prescription. Thanks for letting me know.

However, I think options are always best to have. Imagine if there was only 1 brand and flavor of liquor and only 1 brand/flavor of beer and only 1 brand/flavor of tobacco and so on. :thumbdown:

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Re: Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon [Re: guest1]
    #13344106 - 10/16/10 01:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

it's not legal, and it doesn't need to be for it to be 9 million times better than smoking that spice shit.

tbh i'm satisfied with decriminalization. i could care less if i dont see legalization in my lifetime.

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Re: Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon [Re: blazenn]
    #13344176 - 10/16/10 01:45 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Decriminalization is the first step. Some people can go to jail for having a single broken and dead seed or a single piece of a cannabis stem. They need a national decriminalization for cannabis, but not for other drugs. However, this will never happen in 1 step, first you have to get medical marijuana states, then you need some decriminalized states, then some legal states and let it keep spreading until most of the USA shows that it doesn't buy into the propaganda, then perhaps a national decriminalization can take place. States can still vote to make/keep it illegal. As long as one person with power over you says "you can't" then they can always bust you, even if everyone else with power over you says "you can". It is always against your favor, thats how laws work.

Many people who are opposed to Prop 19, either profit from cannabis being illegal, or they believe "no, we need to skip prop 19 and go straight to full legalization" and these people are not practical.:facepalm:

Some people are in jail and prison right now for cannabis charges and some people have criminal records for cannabis which prevent them from being able to get a job above minimum wage, starting your own business is not a practical alternative to getting a job for a company because most of them fail. These people could have avoided these charges if they had used Spice or K2 instead. I personally have never tried either of these or the knock offs, I have done tons of research and I know all the side effects and the risks (which could lead to anything at all, even pre-mature death). Because of it's lack of study and risk for having a bad experience from ingesting it (against the labels caution), cannabis is superior and always will be.

However, I think that K2 or Spice may be able to help ween people off of cannabis and help them give up the habit if used responsibly. It is not identical to cannabis or THC, it just has a few similar effects and it has other effects that THC doesn't, such as from using too much too fast will cause rapid heartbeat and extreme panic/fear and lack of ability to sit still.

I never believed something like Prop 19 would ever exist in my lifetime to be voted on and I never believed it would even make it this far and potentially win, but i am not shocked that people are now making threats that if it passes, they believe that California should be punished for using their freedom to vote on issues they believe in.

I don't know why I wrote so much.:shrug:

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Re: Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon [Re: guest1]
    #13344248 - 10/16/10 02:04 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

well yea that was an unneccesarily long post :lol:


but i agree with pretty much everything you said. when i say we don't need spices here, i'm speaking strictly of in oregon. one of the biggest reasons i moved here from texas was to get away from overly strict laws on cannabis. i have had friends go to jail and have their record get fucked over a measly 1 gram of some fucking brick weed.
that to me is unacceptable for any government.

but things are moving very swiftly in the right direction. 10 years ago there was only a few states with a MMJ program, and today there are what 15 states? i think more states are voting on MMJ this fall as well.

spice is a good alternative for folks who don't want to risk any problems with the law, but here in oregon where it's decriminalized and not THAT hard to get a mmj card spice is uneccessary and may cause more problems than it solves.
well for me atleast anyway, id rather risk getting the equivalent of a traffic ticket as long as i get to keep puffin on the grade A cannabis that my state is full of :awesome:

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Re: Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon [Re: blazenn]
    #13344302 - 10/16/10 02:15 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, and it's also wise to consider that the JWH family are still basically very new research chemicals, so no one knows what long term use will do to a person.

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Re: Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon [Re: Le_Canard]
    #13344312 - 10/16/10 02:18 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

yeah i heard it will turn you gay.


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Re: Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon [Re: 2859558484]
    #13346229 - 10/16/10 10:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

anyone have a link to a good source to buy some of this stuff online? is it legal in MA?

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Re: Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon [Re: cokane]
    #13346843 - 10/17/10 03:15 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Massachusetts Unregulated:super:

If your talking about K2, Black Magic and others, just ask at a gas station, don't say you are going to smoke it, it is an incense and go ahead and show your ID, because they need to ID people and not sell to people under 18 and by showing them before you get it, you might encourage them to ask for ID if they don't.

Should you try it? Eh..... That is up to you and your level of risk your willing to take. THC from cannabis is a legal risk, but smoking too much is safer and easier to deal with than smoking too much of this stuff, IMO.

My personal WARNING:
I have never tried K2, but I want to make it clear that too much of a JWH chemical being smoked is hell. If you have heart problems or can not ingest stimulants like caffeine or energy drinks, I recommend you just stay away, because too much will increase your heart rate a LOT. Some people are allergic to the plants they put it on and have bad reactions I have read about seizures and comma. If you have smoked THC before, imagine if you were able to get about 4 to 20 times higher, to a level where you feel like your in an overpowering bad hallucinating trip with the fear of dying. When you smoke THC, you can smoke pretty much as much as you want without any worry or care, with this stuff, you have to be careful that you don't over do it. I know several people personally that have done too much and none of them liked it. It is sorta like the effects get reversed at a certain dosage and go from good to bad. Instead of THC where when you do TOO MUCH the room may feel like it is spinning (like alcohol), instead, everything seems amplified out of control and you don't feel calm and relaxed and sleepy, you feel anxious and helpless and afraid. I say that it is closest to eating too many mushrooms, without the nausea and only lasting 1-4 hours instead of 2-12 hours. The more you do, the longer it lasts, but it is better to do small doses you can handle.

What to do if you do too much:
OK, now that I hopefully have helped you understand what can happen... If you do smoke too much, you probably don't need to go to the Emergency Room like you may wonder if you need to or not because of the intensity level being beyond your threshold. What you should do is get up and do something active, if your room is messy, start cleaning your room, if you have trash, take out your trash, sitting still will make it worse. You can try eating something healthy and drinking some water. The most useful thing I know of though, is [gradient:#FFAA00,#]St. Johns Wort[/gradient] pills 300mg or whatever strength. They won't sober you up, but taking 1-3 of them CAN (not saying 100% guaranteed, it depends on the person) help calm you down and lower your level of panic to a tolerable level. They also seem to help with overdosing on a mushroom trip and possibly other things. I think it only works if you take it after you feel the effects of doing too much, so don't take it ahead of time, because then you won't have anything you can take when you peak too high. I recommend keeping the bottle in plain site with a bottle/cup of water so that you can take it in a moments notice if needed.

Where to buy:
Gas stations or online, $20 for 3g My friend told me other brands are cheaper, like Black Magic and some other one I can't remember the name of, but K2 is the one in the news headlines, and Spice is said to be illegal in the US because it contains a banned chemical on it. I have seen similar stuff on ebay for cheap, but I don't know if I would trust them, you may have more varied potency than one you can buy in a store, because it might just be people sitting at home "doing their best" and trying to profit.

OK, now on to JWH, JWH is the active ingredient, although the herbs they put it on, usually have some effect on their own or make the chemical act more effectively. As far as the chemical it's self goes, if you were to buy just the chemical, you can put it on some organic food-grade catnip. I don't recommend putting it on cannabis, because that is like pouring liquor into beer, why would you do that? With the powder and using it in a water pipe on catnip or other herbs, there is a super fine line between not enough to way too much. Powder the size of a fire ant is too much. Maybe the size of 4 of it's legs is good, the size of it's head would be an extremely strong dose. However, dosage depends completely on how efficient your smoking device is. I have heard of people trying to vaporize it off foil and having to use a TON of it for a slight effect, and a pipe using a medium amount, a tiny water pipe also a medium amount, and a nice size water pipe using an extremely small amount.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWH-018 (legal status worldwide)
Best prices I have found for that changes constantly, daily sometimes:
Purity can vary sometimes, but it is located in USA.
$5 shipping (i think, i forgot)
250mg $12.50
1g $28
2g $52
5g $115
and so on.

There is also JWH-073, JWH-250 and others, which all effect the CBD1 and CBD2 receptors at different levels, but all are more potent than THC.

APPROXIMATE CBD receptor, I rounded up and down. The lower the number is, the stronger it is. I labeled then weak/strong as to which number is higher/lower, THC has a higher affinity to CBD2 because 36 is lower than 40. the number after it is when i divided the 2 numbers, for data analysis.

.........THC: 40, 36 (weak/strong) 1.118
.JWH-250: 11, 33    (strong/weak) 0.333
.JWH-073: 9,38      (strong/weak) 0.236
.JWH-200: 8,42      (strong/weak) 0.190
.JWH-018: 7, 3      (weak/strong) 2.333
CP55,940: 0.58, 0.69 (strong/weak) 0.840 (Dangerously potent)

If they had a JWH that was 40,36 or 20,18 or 10,9 that would likely be the best one(s).

I don't know if it is OK or not to post the website or to tell you how to find this site, but with some creative searching you can find it and you can use the prices to compare to other websites. I recommend only buying from USA because buying from China or Morocco or on alibaba is very risky, you may get nothing or you  may get extremely un-pure  stuff.

Do you recommend it?:
As with Salvia D., I don't recommend this to anyone, in fact, when using a water pipe, the effects hit you as fast and powerful as Salvia D. except if you take a lot of JWH, you don't black out and go to Salvia Land, you stay here and are terrified. I am also saying that it is not the worst thing in the world, and for responsible adults, I think it is fine. If you are smoking it, you should limit your smoking because of the unknown long term effects. If cannabis was legal, there would be very little reason to mess with this stuff and you would wait until research was done, but instead, cannabis is illegal and this stuff is getting banned quicker than salvia. The advantages of it are that if used in a proper device, 1 gram could last you months or even a year or so, and a benefit is that you don't have to smoke a ton of it, so by smoking less substances, that makes it healthier in that aspect, as far as the carcinogens jwh creates and unknown long term damage, that is a risk.

UN-Regulated Legal highs: (well, damiana may be regulated in some countries, idk)

As 1 final thing to say. These 3 things are legal nationwide in USA and most countries if not all. If your looking for a very mild relaxing high where you don't have to worry about breaking the law and you don't want to use something that is very risky, I only know of a few alternatives.

Damiana is an herb, but the smoke is VERY VERY VERY harsh, however you can make a tea out of it.

Catnip is a very very non-harsh smoke, but debatable if its better/worse than damiana.

Lastly, believe it or not, is something from InternationOddities called "Black O" which they say "a very popular smoke in the 60's" which is probably a lie, but their claim alludes to them saying that it has been used for at least 50 years now. You have to watch them though, because they carefully craft sentences to get you to "assume" what their saying is what you believe their saying, but that isn't always what they are really saying. If they say "HIGHEST quality" they don't mean it will get you high. Anyway, it is some sort of herbal extracts in a hash-like presentation with a strong spearmint smell + grape + other smells I am not familiar with but smells nice and interesting. They still sell it and it has not been banned anywhere in the world and it does have effects, I personally like to put a few tiny crumbs of it on top of some catnip and smoke it and not have to worry about being arrested for THC or having a panic attack form JWH. It cost $10 shipping which makes it $45 to get an ounce shipped to you and they give you a pack of hemp rolling papers and a hand rolling machine. I HIGHLY recommend you avoid the temptation to buy any of their "legal buds" because I have tried the "blueberry buds" and it was useless nasty crap and I never finished smoking it and gave some away because I hated it. I have read about other REAL people who tried other things and it seems almost everyone says all their "legal buds" are crap. Sure they look neat, but you won't like smoking it.

If you want "legal buds" catnip and damiana and maybe pinch in a tiny bit of some red raspberry leaf for flavor, and if you want a solid smoke with nice effects I recommend Black "O". I do occasionally smoke other legal herbs, which I could make a post about all the herbs I have smoked and write a detailed summery for each evaluation of them, but those are by far the top 3.

Sorry for an even longer post. I just don't see anyone else saying this and wanted to post it somewhere on the internet so that someone could come across this and it may help keep them from having a bad experience or wasting their money.

Edited by guest1 (10/17/10 03:51 AM)

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Re: Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon [Re: Green_T]
    #13347833 - 10/17/10 11:34 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Wow they banned it just in time for harvest. Maybe they are looking out for the growers.

Don't forget to vote for Measure 74 coming up in the ballots.

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Re: Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon [Re: Green_T]
    #13352331 - 10/18/10 12:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Fucking goddammit :facepalm:

It also seems pretty shitty that a non-legislative body can ban a chemical, effective immediately, without having to pass it by either the voters or the state legislature.  Hopefully something happens in the next two months to block this from becoming permanent.

Edited by Entropymancer (10/18/10 12:53 PM)

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Re: Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon [Re: Entropymancer]
    #13354040 - 10/18/10 06:53 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

... and in yet another flabbergasting example of why people who don't know wtf they're talking about shouldn't write laws: chocolate is illegal in Oregon as of October 15.

In addition to specifically scheduling jwh 018, 073, 081, 200, 250, along with a couple of CPs, they also designate as schedule I "any cannabinoid receptor agonists" that aren't listed in the state schedule and are not FDA-approved drugs.  And guess what? That includes anandamide, a well-established component of chocolate.

If you live in Oregon, its time to start calling the cops on Fred Meyer and Safeway, and bring those massive illegal drug-dealing conglomerates to justice.

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Re: Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon [Re: Entropymancer]
    #13354527 - 10/18/10 08:43 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Oh you are kidding me....
Actually it looks like you are not. I am going to have fun with this tomorrow after a bit of research.

Let the retards be known.

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Re: Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon [Re: 4runner]
    #13355068 - 10/18/10 11:05 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Aw fuck, anandamide is FDA-approved as an appetite-enhancer :mad:.  So I guess chocolate is still legal.

Still, I never expected Oregon would join in the alkylindole prohibition.  If they turn out to be relatively safe in the long-term, I think they have a great potential.  They do for cannabinoids what Shulgin did for phenethylamines and tryptamines.  I wonder how long before online vendors stop shipping to Oregon.... I checked a few vendors and it's not on their "will not ship to" lists yet... I may have to act quickly.

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Re: Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon [Re: Entropymancer]
    #13355734 - 10/19/10 03:43 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

besides being a receptor that thc fits into in the brain, what does anandamide do exactly? i didn't know you could buy it.


is that what synthetic thc is? had no idea it'd actually get you high.


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Re: Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon [Re: Green_T]
    #13363025 - 10/20/10 05:05 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If good marijuana wasnt so cheap and plentiful in oregon this would bother me.

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Re: Synthetic marijuana now banned in Oregon [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #13365425 - 10/21/10 06:57 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Aha! Anandamide may be an FDA-approved drug, but 2-arachidonoylglycerol ain't.  That means milk is illegal, and so are any animal products where the head or spine is in tact.

I wonder if any reporters would be interested in breaking the story: Oregon Lawmakers Accidentally Ban Milk :hehehe:

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