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 Re: Obama Administration Opposeses Legalization and Prop 19 - California says: bring it on.  [Re: Chespirito]
#13344902 - 10/16/10 04:36 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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So then how do you explain primaries where the people vote for who they want to represent the party?
Even primaries are mostly determined by whoever runs the best campaign -- IE by whoever is most electable, AKA most in line with the status quo.
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Re: Obama Administration Opposeses Legalization and Prop 19 - California says: bring it on. [Re: laserpig]
#13344927 - 10/16/10 04:44 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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So what you're saying is that the person who wins is the person most likely to appeal to the majority of people. Thats a shocking analysis in a democratic system
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Re: Obama Administration Opposeses Legalization and Prop 19 - California says: bring it on. [Re: Chespirito]
#13344931 - 10/16/10 04:45 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, I'm saying it's the person who is most likely to get the strongest marketing support. Big difference.
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Re: Obama Administration Opposeses Legalization and Prop 19 - California says: bring it on. [Re: laserpig]
#13344942 - 10/16/10 04:47 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I love how people are freaking out about obama now because of legalizing weed... jesus christ so he doesnt support it. So much is spent talking about what he hasnt done, and ues its an annoying amount, but hes still done quite a bit so far for this country.
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Re: Obama Administration Opposeses Legalization and Prop 19 - California says: bring it on. [Re: Hakim0777]
#13344956 - 10/16/10 04:52 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hakim0777 said:
I love how people are freaking out about obama now because of legalizing weed... jesus christ so he doesnt support it. So much is spent talking about what he hasnt done, and ues its an annoying amount, but hes still done quite a bit so far for this country.
What has he done for this country??
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Re: Obama Administration Opposeses Legalization and Prop 19 - California says: bring it on. [Re: laserpig]
#13345011 - 10/16/10 05:07 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, I'm saying it's the person who is most likely to get the strongest marketing support. Big difference.
I'm not sure I buy it. A lot of Obama's money came from small contributions through the internet by common people, I forget the percentage but it was in the neighborhood of 1/3 of his total raised money.
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Re: Obama Administration Opposeses Legalization and Prop 19 - California says: bring it on. [Re: Chespirito]
#13345020 - 10/16/10 05:11 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Chespirito said:
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No, I'm saying it's the person who is most likely to get the strongest marketing support. Big difference.
I'm not sure I buy it. A lot of Obama's money came from small contributions through the internet by common people, I forget the percentage but it was in the neighborhood of 1/3 of his total raised money.
What the hell does that have to do with anything?
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Re: Obama Administration Opposeses Legalization and Prop 19 - California says: bring it on. [Re: DeadHearts]
#13345046 - 10/16/10 05:16 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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The idea that Obama got elected because of "the little guy" is pure propaganda.
His biggest campaign contributors were Goldman Sachs, Microsoft, Citigroup, etc.
Yes, he raised a lot of money from individuals, but why is that?
Because of marketing, that's why.
And who paid for the marketing?
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Re: Obama Administration Opposeses Legalization and Prop 19 - California says: bring it on. [Re: DeadHearts]
#13345049 - 10/16/10 05:19 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just like the immigration law in Arizona (which also had the majority vote), the federal government will file a lawsuit against California, and it will win the case - and this attempt at legalization will probably be silently swept under the rug.
The entire government infrastructure of Arizona was for the immigration law,, yet you never hear shit about it anymore 
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Re: Obama Administration Opposeses Legalization and Prop 19 - California says: bring it on. [Re: c1dh3d]
#13345064 - 10/16/10 05:21 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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this attempt at legalization will probably be silently swept under the rug.
I'm sorry, what?
There's no chance this will go down silently.
Might it get shot down?
Yes, but if it does, it will be a huuuge shitstorm.
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Re: Obama Administration Opposeses Legalization and Prop 19 - California says: bring it on. [Re: laserpig]
#13345071 - 10/16/10 05:22 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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laserpig said:
The idea that Obama got elected because of "the little guy" is pure propaganda.
His biggest campaign contributors were Goldman Sachs, Microsoft, Citigroup, etc.
Yes, he raised a lot of money from individuals, but why is that?
Because of marketing, that's why.
And who paid for the marketing?
Im wondering if you are going to substantiate any of these claims
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Re: Obama Administration Opposeses Legalization and Prop 19 - California says: bring it on. [Re: Chespirito]
#13345077 - 10/16/10 05:23 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Obama Administration Opposeses Legalization and Prop 19 - California says: bring it on. [Re: c1dh3d]
#13345080 - 10/16/10 05:24 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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c1dh3d said:
Just like the immigration law in Arizona (which also had the majority vote), the federal government will file a lawsuit against California, and it will win the case - and this attempt at legalization will probably be silently swept under the rug.
The entire government infrastructure of Arizona was for the immigration law,, yet you never hear shit about it anymore
This is disgusting.
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Re: Obama Administration Opposeses Legalization and Prop 19 - California says: bring it on. [Re: Chespirito]
#13345081 - 10/16/10 05:24 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Chespirito said:
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laserpig said:
The idea that Obama got elected because of "the little guy" is pure propaganda.
His biggest campaign contributors were Goldman Sachs, Microsoft, Citigroup, etc.
Yes, he raised a lot of money from individuals, but why is that?
Because of marketing, that's why.
And who paid for the marketing?
Im wondering if you are going to substantiate any of these claims
Can you substantiate urs?? 
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Re: Obama Administration Opposeses Legalization and Prop 19 - California says: bring it on. [Re: laserpig]
#13345108 - 10/16/10 05:30 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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laserpig said:
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c1dh3d said:
this attempt at legalization will probably be silently swept under the rug.
I'm sorry, what?
There's no chance this will go down silently.
Might it get shot down?
Yes, but if it does, it will be a huuuge shitstorm.
From who? You? Are you going to throw the first trashcan through a store front to start a riot? Once the gavel comes down, the media shuts off the spotlight, and it goes away - silently.
There was people so vehement of the immigration bill debate, they were ready to hit the streets and fuck shit up, but that went away in what..... 3 days after the ruling, after a few meager demonstrations of protest?
Unfortunately, if the white house wants it dead, then dead it will be (Unless of course, your Osama Bin Laden). Sorry, that is just realistically how its going to go. If California wants to put up a fight, showing up for court to hear the ruling is about as far as it goes
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Re: Obama Administration Opposeses Legalization and Prop 19 - California says: bring it on. [Re: laserpig]
#13345123 - 10/16/10 05:34 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638
You realize that no company on there donated a huge amount of money right? The individual contributions accounted for a substantial amount more. Im surprised you can post that with a straight face and claim they bought the election
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Re: Obama Administration Opposeses Legalization and Prop 19 - California says: bring it on. [Re: Chespirito]
#13345209 - 10/16/10 05:58 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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The individual contributions accounted for a substantial amount more.
If you can substantiate this, I'll admit that I'm wrong.
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Re: Obama Administration Opposeses Legalization and Prop 19 - California says: bring it on. [Re: laserpig]
#13345236 - 10/16/10 06:02 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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http://www.fec.gov/DisclosureSearch/mapApp.do?cand_id=P80003338
246 million from donations under $200. 136 million from donations over 2 grand. However we saw the top donations list you posted, so a lot of those over 2 grand weren't that huge (largest corporation was 1 million from your list).
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Re: Obama Administration Opposeses Legalization and Prop 19 - California says: bring it on. [Re: Chespirito]
#13345256 - 10/16/10 06:07 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fair enough -- I'll trust your data.
I guess the small donations thing wasn't just propaganda after all.
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Re: Obama Administration Opposeses Legalization and Prop 19 - California says: bring it on. [Re: Hakim0777]
#13345298 - 10/16/10 06:20 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hakim0777 said:
I love how people are freaking out about obama now because of legalizing weed... jesus christ so he doesnt support it. So much is spent talking about what he hasnt done, and ues its an annoying amount, but hes still done quite a bit so far for this country.
Wow.. I would facepalm but I'm on my phone ATM.
He hasn't done shit for this country.. If he ended up staying president for this country Mexico would be voting in the future elections, and Hilary would have NewYork changed to "dolce & gabbana"
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