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Offlinebegreen0
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    #13341638 - 10/15/10 08:22 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: NYTimes front page: "On Marijuana, Californians May Ignore Leaders’ Views" [Re: begreen0]
    #13341699 - 10/15/10 08:35 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: NYTimes front page: "On Marijuana, Californians May Ignore Leaders’ Views" [Re: Cryogenicz]
    #13341930 - 10/15/10 09:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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The state Republican Party has officially come out against Proposition 13




13??


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Re: NYTimes front page: "On Marijuana, Californians May Ignore Leaders’ Views" [Re: Shroom lover]
    #13341947 - 10/15/10 09:34 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Dont ask dont tell?
gays in millitary alowwed now i think

rulled unconstitutional otherwise

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Re: NYTimes front page: "On Marijuana, Californians May Ignore Leaders’ Views" [Re: Konyap]
    #13342693 - 10/16/10 02:07 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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He said that the initiative was unconstitutional and vowed to continue enforcing marijuana laws, no matter what voters do in November.





maybe im crazy, but isnt it unconstitutional to go against voters? :crazy2:

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Re: NYTimes front page: "On Marijuana, Californians May Ignore Leaders’ Views" [Re: FungiFractals]
    #13343149 - 10/16/10 08:57 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

what ever happend to states rights??? i thought the states had rites to govern themselves???


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Re: NYTimes front page: "On Marijuana, Californians May Ignore Leaders’ Views" [Re: redeyesmj]
    #13343212 - 10/16/10 09:23 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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redeyesmj said:
what ever happend to states rights??? i thought the states had rites to govern themselves???



Yeah thats what I thought. The 10th amendment was ratified after the civil war... the federal government gained more power after 9/11. Who knows whats next? :shrug:

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Re: NYTimes front page: "On Marijuana, Californians May Ignore Leaders’ Views" [Re: Bahaga]
    #13343545 - 10/16/10 11:15 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Wow.
I am a strong advocate of state rights. I really hope the feds are bluffing, but I fear that they are not. What a heap of bullshit.

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Re: NYTimes front page: "On Marijuana, Californians May Ignore Leaders’ Views" [Re: begreen0]
    #13343569 - 10/16/10 11:22 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

It hasn't even passed yet, the federal government expects it will if people show up to polls.

Are we looking at a Gold Rush 2011 scenario?

Will Cali be known for fine mixed wines and fine mixed bubblehash!?

This is kinda ridiculous...  What are they going to follow the Texas model and incarcerate a large percentage of the entire state?

Most would expect that people will be quiet about it for a year or two before it is openly available everywhere.  Michigan has a lot of harassment from local and state enforcement around medical herbs...  The feds are coming in against legal weed before any prop has passed... This is a states rights issue.

Will there be resentment from the state as a states rights issue?


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Re: NYTimes front page: "On Marijuana, Californians May Ignore Leaders’ Views" [Re: Raw] * 1
    #13343604 - 10/16/10 11:38 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

The founding fathers and the people who they represented did not want a strong central govt. They had enough of that from the crown in england and they saw the abuses which flowed from a dictatorship. The last thing they wanted to do was set up another dictatorship here. They purposely made the federal govt weak and the states strong. They wrote that into the constitution. And just to make sure there was no doubt about it, they said in the bill of rights:

"powers not granted to the federal government nor prohibited to the states by the Constitution of the United States are reserved to the states or the people."

But the scotus has ignored the plain and simple wording of the constitution and used and abused the commerce clause to give the feds virtually unlimited authority over everything. The scotus almost singlehandedly has created the dictatorship our forefathers tried so hard to avoid. Here is the commerce clause which has turned into rubber and can be stretched to fit any occasion.

"United States Congress shall have power To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes"

How does personal drug use fall under interstate commerce? It doesn't and you can thank the court for this abuse of power which they have allowed for years. Not just obumble but many presidents have abused this power and abuse it more with each succeeding administration.

We may have our own tienamen square moment when federal tanks rumble in to stop medical patients from using their medicine of choice since the feds want to protect pharma profits.


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Re: NYTimes front page: "On Marijuana, Californians May Ignore Leaders’ Views" [Re: Stonehenge]
    #13343630 - 10/16/10 11:45 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I think that if this passes and the feds overstep themselves, we're going to see a surge in individual states asserting their own rights.

The federal government doesn't like anyone standing up to them, but I think a large number of the individual states are capable of growing the stones to say "enough is enough".  If the feds cracked down on Cali, I would hope that other like-minded states would rally to the cause.  A lot of states already have their own beefs with the federal government (whether it's because of marijuana policy or the new health care bill or whatever other toes have been stepped on), and I'd hope that this issue (the issue of California being able to govern itself, not marijuana specifically) would become a rallying point for other states.

The feds would eventually have to cave as a method of self preservation and keeping the peace, realizing that a unified nation is stronger than a nation where individual states are fighting the federal government.

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Re: NYTimes front page: "On Marijuana, Californians May Ignore Leaders’ Views" [Re: dragonhat] * 1
    #13343743 - 10/16/10 12:14 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

If nothing else, this surely shows the hypocrisy of the Repooplicans, always trumpeting "state's rights", but uh......not in this case.

As I detailed in another related thread, my take on this is that Holder and the Obama administration are doing what is politically expedient, nothing more.

Not exactly admirable, but perhaps necessary in the long-term view.  Anyone thinking that the wholesale replacement of Democratic congressmen, etc. with the aforementioned hypocrites is, IMO, sadly delusional. They have always been, and always will be, the rabid anti-druggers.

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Re: NYTimes front page: "On Marijuana, Californians May Ignore Leaders’ Views" [Re: dip]
    #13343775 - 10/16/10 12:20 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: NYTimes front page: "On Marijuana, Californians May Ignore Leaders’ Views" [Re: Stonehenge]
    #13343908 - 10/16/10 12:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I think the DEA will try to enforce it but it will eventually be a futile effort. Especially after Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Nevada and a host of other states start legalization propositions in the coming years.

@Stonehedge - I think you are thinking of the Articles of Confederation, the document before the Constitution, which proved to be too weak giving the states power.

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Re: NYTimes front page: "On Marijuana, Californians May Ignore Leaders’ Views" [Re: Rebirtha]
    #13344783 - 10/16/10 04:07 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

No, i am not thinking of the confederacy at all. What i quoted is directly from the us constitution. There is also nothing in there about "signing statements" that presidents have used when they sign a bill which basically say they don't have to follow the law. That too is unconstitutional. We need an uprising against the powers that be and put power back in the hands of the people. Not just the states, the people.


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