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Help Me Pick Out Camping Gear
    #13322170 - 10/11/10 05:53 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Hello Shroomery.
I love camping/backpacking but have been mooching off of other people's gear until now.
I need gear spring/summer/fall. Tent should fit me and one other person.
I know these things aren't everything I need for a camping trip.

Tent: I've camped in this tent and it was great. http://www.rei.com/product/761893 Is there a better way to go or it this good?
Sleeping Bag: I don't know if I should go down or synthetic. Bags are a lot more expensive than I thought.
Water Filter/Pump (no tablets): No idea
Pack: This one had good reviews (http://www.rei.com/product/757777), no idea though. I've always borrowed packs and have no idea how many cubic inches they were. I won't need more than 4 days supplies generally.

College student blah blah blah so I don't have much money to spend, but I want to get gear that will last a decent amount of time.

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Re: Help Me Pick Out Camping Gear [Re: bryguy27007]
    #13322950 - 10/11/10 08:52 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

For backpacks Id get an internal frame something like this would be a good bag.
http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___88682

The tent and sleeping bag kinda depend on your needs and use. Will you be camping in the winter when its negative ten? Do you intend to carry the tent with you on a long backpacking trip? gimme some specifics and I can help you more.

I used a MSR water filter on a backpacking trip one time and it worked nicely. If your looking for cooking gear Id highly recommend MSR stoves and cook sets

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Re: Help Me Pick Out Camping Gear [Re: bryguy27007]
    #13323507 - 10/11/10 10:38 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

You seem to have decent starter list put together. One thing I'd recommend is some LED lanterns. I've got 4 or five of them and they're invaluable. They're cheap, quite bright, durable, and the batteries last a really long time in them. I usually take 5-6 tiki torches as well, it makes a neat campsite at night when you light them in a circle around the camping spot.


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Re: Help Me Pick Out Camping Gear [Re: bryguy27007]
    #13324212 - 10/12/10 02:42 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I'd recommend a lighter pack.. although Gregory does make good gear, that one is almost 6 lbs by itself with nothing in it.
Check out something like a granite gear - http://www.rei.com/product/699831 or the 'big' version - http://www.rei.com/product/758822 - 3lb 8oz
Tent - totally personal preference, but again I'd try to go light here and something with good coverage and good reviews.. do your research first.
Sleeping bag - Down packs smaller and is lighter, but is useless if it gets wet, and provides little to no insulation if there is no loft (ie whatever body weight is on)
Go for a synthetic three-season (50 degree? bag). Or the best of both worlds.. a synthetic bottom/down top mummy. 
Water Filter: I use a MSR sweetwater, it's great. Katadyn's are highly regarded filters as well.
Skip the expensive heavy clunky stoves with the gas canisters that you have to keep buying... and go with a alcohol penny stove or soda can stove, costs pennies, weighs ounces, is highly efficient and boils water just as good if not better as those gas stoves, and alcohol can be found easily.

Remember your biggest three weights are going to be your Pack, Tent, and Sleeping Bag. If you can keep these below 10 lbs then that's great. It of course depends completely on your needs and what the climate is like as well.


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Re: Help Me Pick Out Camping Gear [Re: bryguy27007]
    #13326186 - 10/12/10 02:39 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Here's some gear I like:

MLD Duomid shelter: 12oz, 2 person
Golite Pinnacle pack: 1 lb 9oz, 4400ci. I love my Pinnacle.
Platypus water bags: 1.3oz, holds 2+ liters, folds down to nothing.
POE Ether 2/3 mattress: 13.5oz

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Re: Help Me Pick Out Camping Gear [Re: bryguy27007]
    #13326704 - 10/12/10 04:48 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you for all the help everybody.
I really appreciate it.

I'm thinking about getting:
REI tent
Pinnacle http://www.golite.com/Product/ProdDetail.aspx?p=151001110&mc=176&t=&lat=
MSR filter.
That mattress looks nice but I might go with a Thermarest, I'm not sure.

Hmmmm, I just read that that Pinnacle doesn't have good back support (being a light pack) and that people were having problems with it. Maybe I should go for an internal frame backpack.

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Re: Help Me Pick Out Camping Gear [Re: bryguy27007]
    #13327291 - 10/12/10 06:59 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

The Pinnacle just has to be packed right. Personal preference plays a big role too. More backpacking experience and you'll know what works best for you.

Personally I would steer away from carrying a tent. I just use a small tarp that doesn't weigh crap and if really want to be comfortable at night I'll just take some xanax or something. Tents trap condensation, they're heavy & bulky...not worth it to me. But it's all personal preference :cool:


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Re: Help Me Pick Out Camping Gear [Re: Grok]
    #13330351 - 10/13/10 11:11 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Why don't you shop at the REI outlet store, it is linked from the main REI page, and way cheaper.

Although that REI tent is light weight, take into consideration that they do not include the stuff sacks or other accessories in the total weight of the advertised tent. I would be inclined to purchase This Mountain Hardware tent and save $100.

That said - i use this: http://www.rei.com/product/762560, and absolutely love it, Even after living in it for 6 months while cycle touring.

Depends what your looking for - i lean towards purchasing from reputable, well known companies, and also prefer to keep the weight down. However, if you plan on using this tent as a "multiuse" eg. at festivals and what not, then you might want to aim for a larger tent....

I wouldn't bother purchasing a down bag, they are high maintenance and very expensive. I have a half down/half synthetic bag now and use it in all seasons but the height of summer, next time i will likely purchase all synthetic. Synthetic is more versatile, IMO.

Lots of sleeping bags Here. However, i would get a bag that has a temperature rating lower than +25F ...

Water filter - First need water filters outperform the MSR and Katadyn filters, are easier to use, the filters last longer, and offer more protection, while costing a similar amount of money. However, they are bulkier and less common. I LOVE mine.

Back pack - Personal choice - i have a huge bulky pack weighing over 5lbs, but it is very comfortable at carrying 60lbs+. Got my girlfriend a gregory, and i am very impressed with their construction, Arc teryx and Osprey are other notable brands..

Goodluck.

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Re: Help Me Pick Out Camping Gear [Re: Grok]
    #13331012 - 10/13/10 01:28 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you PDU, that helps a lot.

I'm looking into that Mountain Hardware tent right now.
REI is having 20 percent off (can't get it on items already on clearance) so I would only save about 50 dollars, but that's still a decent chunk of change.

I'm also looking into that water filter you recommend. That isn't something that I want to skimp on. It got great reviews.

I don't think I'll get the Pinnacle, I need to do more research on backpacks.

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Re: Help Me Pick Out Camping Gear [Re: PDU]
    #13333108 - 10/13/10 08:28 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Back pack - Personal choice - i have a huge bulky pack weighing over 5lbs, but it is very comfortable at carrying 60lbs+.




Holy smokes dude...60lbs+! :whoa: Comfortably!?  :argh:  You realize people have hiked across the 600 mile Brooks range in Alaska without resupplying anywhere along the way with packs weighing slightly less than that? What the hell you packin son?! You must be a horrendous beast!


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Re: Help Me Pick Out Camping Gear [Re: bryguy27007]
    #13334390 - 10/14/10 02:42 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

GoLite makes great ultralight packs.. but I found their back support to be somewhat lacking.. they carry sub 20lb loads well though. 
I freaking love my granite gear. Best back support I've found in a "mid-ultralight" pack, I can't even feel it on my back with 25 lbs in it, fits like a glove.
Can't say enough good things about Granite Gear, especially their packs.
Arc'Teryx gear is top notch but also overpriced and their packs tend to be pretty heavy.

As for shelter I don't carry a tent either.. I use a hennessy hammock.. best camping investment I ever made. I sleep like a baby in that thing and the whole setup weighs <3lbs and packs small. Never worry about sleeping on rocks or sticks, wake up feeling awesome with no back pain. Just have to be somewhere with trees or something to latch to. Only downside is that since you're in the air instead of on the ground, it's colder, so in colder weather you need some insulation under you.

I'd say it depends on your climate and preferences, but I'd either go with a tarp/ tarptent with optional bug-netting, or a hammock.
You might want to check out different ultralight tarptent styles like this - http://www.tarptent.com/new.html
Or get yourself a luxury hammock - http://hennessyhammock.com/
That's just some examples, there's shitloads of good ultralight gear out there, just gotta do some diggin'.

IMO, do your research, spend the extra couple bucks for the quality lightweight gear. Go light where it matters most - pack, shelter, bag.. stove.. etc. If you get the 2lb pack instead of 6lb, the 1.8lb tarp instead of the 6lb tent, that's already almost 10lbs you've shaved off... on TWO items! Then consider the 2oz penny stove to the 2lb MSR pocket rocket or whatever. All these things add up in a big way.
Even the little things add up... find multiple uses for everything and don't take things you don't need. take a roll of duct tape for example... duct tape is infinitely useful, but you don't need a whole roll and that would be super bulky.. just wrap some around a small pen or something.. bam instead writing utensil/duct tape dispenser. Things like that. Maybe your water filter doubles as a compass, who knows. my hammock doubles as a cooking and lounging chair.. Point is, multi-tool items are key. In fact, a tiny lightweight multitool item is nice, like a Leatherman Micra... with 10 tools at a total of 1.8 oz... that's an amazing weight to usefulness ratio!

Carry only what you need, go light wherever possible, make multiple uses out of the same thing.. but don't skimp on your comfort and don't forget the Ten Essentials


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Re: Help Me Pick Out Camping Gear [Re: Shroomism]
    #13335240 - 10/14/10 10:47 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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GoLite makes great ultralight packs.. but I found their back support to be somewhat lacking.. they carry sub 20lb loads well though. 
I freaking love my granite gear. Best back support I've found in a "mid-ultralight" pack, I can't even feel it on my back with 25 lbs in it, fits like a glove.
Can't say enough good things about Granite Gear, especially their packs.
Arc'Teryx gear is top notch but also overpriced and their packs tend to be pretty heavy.

Even the little things add up... find multiple uses for everything and don't take things you don't need. take a roll of duct tape for example... duct tape is infinitely useful, but you don't need a whole roll and that would be super bulky.. just wrap some around a small pen or something.. bam instead writing utensil/duct tape dispenser.





Well actually I just bought the tent.
I do value your and everybody's advice here on the forum but I would prefer a tent to sleep in.

I saw your advice about the duct tape in another thread and I am going to be sure to remember that, it's really a neat idea.

Granite Gear is my top pack right now but it is 270 dollars and after buying the tent I only have 13 dollars left. I'll have to wait for a couple of paychecks. No rush, I'm not planning on winter camping so I have until spring to get all my gear together.

Once again, I really appreciate you and everybody else taking the time out of their day to help out a newbie like me.

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Re: Help Me Pick Out Camping Gear [Re: Grok]
    #13335822 - 10/14/10 01:11 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Holy smokes dude...60lbs+! :whoa: Comfortably!?  :argh:  You realize people have hiked across the 600 mile Brooks range in Alaska without resupplying anywhere along the way with packs weighing slightly less than that? What the hell you packin son?! You must be a horrendous beast!




Yeah, i hear you - and overall, i am very inexperienced with backpacking.

However, i did a 6 day thru hike (WCT) with no resupply and relatively gourmet food all dehydrated and prepared by me, this summer with my girlfriend. Starting weight was 51lbs including water and she was struggling carrying her share of the food, so i took the burden.

You know, id rather have awesome food, and things like a pepper mill and a block of cheese after a long hard rainy and muddy day, than to run the trail with a lighter pack and like... rice. Day by day, the load got lighter, and it was a treat to carry after the first 2 days, i was scramblin' the trail pretty quick as it was.

Besides the food, the only really heavy item that i regretted, was carrying an extra liter of kerosene by mistake :o

I understand the ultra light mentality and might even go that way myself, as i'd like to do some extended thru hiking in the future - however, at present i have very much enjoyed the food preparation process and learning curve to eating gourmet on the trail - in all honesty, my speed and strength surpassed many of the others on the trail, despite what you consider to be a massive load.

I wish i snapped some pictures of the truly massive loads some hikers were carrying with them. Some packs were the size of beer fridges, carrying things like 2 dozen eggs and steaks and beer for a group of 6 on a 7 day hike. WTF.

However, to drive your point home - i was cycling home from burning man with a ridiculously fully loaded bike and trailer (looking back at what i brought with me on that trip, i scoff now.) Anyways, I was, on the Anacortes ferry and there was another cyclist, returning from a couple months cycling in Alaska solo - he had a mountain bike with two mid sized rear panniers.

That really made me re evaluate my own excesses.

I think the ultra lighters sometimes forget that not everyone has the same mentality as themselves. Alot of people thinking cooking in the backcountry is rediculous and try to keep it as simple as possible ... not me. Meal time is my favorite time of day.

Of course, we all need to realistic about our physical abilities and motivations for our adventures.


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Re: Help Me Pick Out Camping Gear [Re: PDU]
    #13336032 - 10/14/10 01:57 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I can understand that. It's pretty much the norm in New Zealand too, I found -- I was in frequent disbelief of the cuisine operations I would stumble upon in the huts there. Steaks, fresh salad, wine, real silverware, I thought it was nuts. I used to carry a monster pack with me as the norm, lots of good food etc. I kept finding I'd only use about half my food though, so now before I leave I plan out what I'm going to eat each day. For some reason I don't really get very hungry in the backcountry (at least during shorter trips) and keep my food bag pretty small. And something about being away from civilization makes whatever food I do have taste gourmet; "Hunger is the best spice" as they say.

When I started packarfting I had to reevaluate my whole pack situation. Adding a 5lb raft, paddle, helmet, life jacket, and drysuit (the last three only necessary on technical stuff) plus some repair tools is like a whole nuther pack of stuff itself. Doing much strenuous hiking with all that extra gear was often demoralizing and painful. I literally dreaded the sight of my own pack, and it finally gave me the conviction to minimalize whenever possible and make better use of what I did have.

Now when I'm not packing a boat, my pack is tiny (for like a three day trip). Like a school backpack. I find that I'm much more comfortable during the day and surely burn much less calories, requiring less food. Even after hiking straight up and down mountains off-trail and bush bashing, I don't get fatigued like I used to with a big pack. But habits are sticky and neither style is right or wrong of course.


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Re: Help Me Pick Out Camping Gear [Re: Grok]
    #13336074 - 10/14/10 02:06 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I can totally understand that and would like to try it myself. I got a killer deal on my bag because i worked at a warehouse carrying it - and i planned my trip around it.

I'll actually probably try semi-ultra light for some shorter trips in the Spring, and then ill be able to compare.

I would not be surprised in the least if i was to catch the ultra light bug, but i'll be damned if i'll drill holes in my toothbrush, or dehydrate my tooth paste :P


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Re: Help Me Pick Out Camping Gear [Re: PDU]
    #13336795 - 10/14/10 05:31 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

You can add me to the list of those who never cared much about weight.  Anytime I'm gonna be gone for more then a few days my pack ends up around 40 lbs.  It was well over 50 last time I did a 2-weeker.  I just like to have my amenities.  Sometimes its the little comforts that make my trip all that much more enjoyable.  It helps that I have a great pack that carries the load comfortably.  I've never had a problem with sore back or shoulders even when carrying a large load.

Ultralight hikers have some neat tricks to shave weight and still get by, but its just not for me.  Shit, if I could figure out a way to attatch my dutch oven to my pack I'd probably lug it along as well!!
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On a side note, I once met a couple guys on an 11,000 ft summit.  I was going up to spend the night and they were coming down from the day before.  They both had HUMONGOUS packs on.  I asked them why and they said they were in training to go to Denali later that year. They said they each had 80 lbs on!  I asked what they packed to get the weight up and they told me (amongst other things) one of them was carrying a TV and the other had the batteries to run it...they had watched last nights football game at the summit!
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    #13337547 - 10/14/10 08:42 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I like eating gourmet on the trail as well.. that's one thing where I will cheat on the ultralight thing. I eat good out in the woods.. so I'll definitely carry my luxury foods and all the really good shit. I may even eat better on the trail then I do at home most of the time. Except for ice cream, if only someone could invent a way to carry that for long periods in a pack, they would be rich... do you have any idea how good a half gallon of chocolate ice cream is after you just hiked like 300 miles? omg.
Cheese too. That shit is so good on the trail.

I'm not an extreme lightweighter by any means, not like those hardcore guys that have like a 6 lb base pack weight (everything but food/water). That's a little too crazy for me, when it gets down to counting your gear by milli-ounces and shaving the plastic down off your toothbrush to cut down space/weight... I like minimalist, but not that minimalist.. I just go light where I can but I don't skimp on the important stuff (ie sleeping and eating good).  And I carry a fully equipped first aid kit, not some ziplock with 2 band aids in it.
And a foldable 24" sven saw for cutting wood, which most ultralighters would say is forbidden!!.. but I'll carry the 1lb of weight for the MASSIVE energy savings if I need to cut wood.. it makes life sooo much easier. In the backcountry I'll carry the sven saw, my gransfors bruks small forest axe, and my knife for three different types of powerful cutting tools...

I think I am too much of a gear head to be a real lightweighter :grin:

I definitely know what Summit is saying though about having your amenities, that can definitely make the camping trip that much better. I appreciate having the right tools and the right playthings so I try to strike a nice balance between keeping it lightweight and practical but also having different options and little luxuries and gadgets for making life easier. I want a light pack weight, but I don't want to suffer for missing things.

And in some places going ultralight isn't an option. Like when you are climbing Mt Everest. Sometimes you need to carry mad gear and clothing and food. It all depends really. If you are hiking half the appalachian trail in the middle of summer, you probably don't need much.

How does the saying go... oh yeah...

The more I bring, the more I enjoy camping.
The less I bring, the more I enjoy hiking.
So.... are you going hiking or camping?... or mountaineering in the arctic tundra? :grin:


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Re: Help Me Pick Out Camping Gear [Re: Shroomism]
    #13358516 - 10/19/10 05:38 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I'm posting from inside my new tent! I wanted to make sure I could pitch it before I went out. What a great tent. I also picked up some cooking supplies while I was at REI. Next up, pack and water filter.

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    #13361786 - 10/20/10 11:50 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

i bought a Voodoo Tactical Lvl3 Assault Pack a few weeks ago and i really like it.



it may be a little small for what you are looking for. the quality is really really good though.

all the cinch points make it very collapsible also. i can take it pretty much anywhere.


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    #13414210 - 10/31/10 12:46 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

MSR Waterworks EX is the water filter you are looking for. I have used this pump while tripping hard and you can clean it in the field should it get gunked up.

As far as a bag goes look for a 20 or 15 degree bag. Down is gonna cost you a lot more but there are a lot of reasonably priced bags in this range. Check out the North Face Cat's Meow- that is what I have.

I have to say that weight does make a big difference. I am not a huge weight weenie but I like having my pack in the 25-30 lb range, which I can easily pull off for a 7 day trip. Having less weight makes a huge difference when the terrain gets really nasty.

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