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End of Headshops?
    #1331833 - 02/24/03 03:05 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

This is BS!!!

Original link ABC News

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/Primetime/drug_paraphernalia_bust030224.html

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Tools of the Drug Trade
Feds Charge 55 People With Peddling Drug Tools

Curt Anderson
The Associated Press


W A S H I N G T O N, Feb. 24 ? Federal authorities charged 55 people today with trafficking in illegal drug paraphernalia from coast to coast, using both traditional stores and the Internet.

A federal grand jury in western Pennsylvania handed up indictments against 27 people as part of "Operation Pipe Dreams," an investigation stretching from Pittsburgh to Phoenix to Southern California, Attorney General John Ashcroft said.
Another nine people were charged in four grand jury indictments returned in Des Moines, Iowa, under "Operation Headhunter," which involved paraphernalia marketed nationwide by distributors in Michigan, California and Texas.

In all, 55 people were named in nearly three dozen indictments returned throughout the country.

Internet Sales Target Teens

Federal law makes it a crime to sell products mainly intended for the use of illegal drugs, including such things as bongs, marijuana pipes, "roach" clips, miniature spoons and scales. Those charged with selling and conspiring to sell such items face up to three years on prison and maximum fines of $250,000.

A search warrant in the Iowa case turned up more than $2 million in illegal paraphernalia, authorities said.

Ashcroft said the sale of drug paraphernalia has exploded on the Internet, making it easier for teenagers and young adults to buy it. The items often are disguised as such things as lipstick cases to escape detection and are marketed under code names and symbols.

"Quite simply, the illegal drug paraphernalia industry has invaded the homes of families across the country without their knowledge," Ashcroft said in a statement. "This illegal, billion-dollar industry will no longer be ignored by law enforcement."

The Internet sites go by such names as Smokelab.com, Aheadcase.com and puffpipes.com, according to the Justice Department.

The investigation was led by the Drug Enforcement Administration along with the U.S. Marshals, Secret Service, Customs Service and Postal Inspection Service.

"People selling drug paraphernalia are in essence no different than drug dealers," said John Brown, acting DEA chief. "They are as much a part of drug trafficking as silencers are a part of criminal homicide."


Copyright 2003 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


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Re: End of Headshops? [Re: baraka]
    #1331856 - 02/24/03 03:11 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Sieg heil.


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Re: End of Headshops? [Re: baraka]
    #1331877 - 02/24/03 03:20 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

That whacky Ashcroft, at it again. Ahh, what a good president Bush has been, I'm so glad he appointed Ashcroft as Attorney General. Yay for Bush and his Gestapo, errr, I mean administration.


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Re: End of Headshops? [Re: baraka]
    #1331886 - 02/24/03 03:21 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Those charged with selling and conspiring to sell such items face up to three years on prison 



Good, what a threat they are to our well-being!  :smirk:

It doesn't suprise me that Ashcroft had a lot to do with this. 


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Re: End of Headshops? [Re: baraka]
    #1331927 - 02/24/03 03:36 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Oh shit. First PF and now this. Shit shit shit. :mad:


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Re: End of Headshops? [Re: baraka]
    #1331934 - 02/24/03 03:36 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

No no... Their will always be pipe shops and places to buy crack pipes..

This was a political bust, a show for the cameras. Ill bet that in the same towns and counties of all the busted shops their are others which sell pipe, papers and bongs which went untoutched.

Fact is that pipe shops have been getting raided and busted since they began and its usualy due to some outspoken store owner who got involved in too many city council meetings and pissed off the wrong people.



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Re: End of Headshops? [Re: Skikid16]
    #1331936 - 02/24/03 03:37 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I think Bush is doing a good job as president, and like most of the people he's appointed.  But Ashcroft seems to take the administration down a notch.  In my opinion, Ashcroft is just as evil and anti-freedom as Janet Reno... I can feel my conservative foundation shaking :blush:


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Re: End of Headshops? [Re: Anonymous]
    #1331956 - 02/24/03 03:42 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I think Bush is doing a good job as president

Well besides the increase deficet, his push for war, and push for legislation to limit civil liberties (read: Patriot Act) I don't think he's doing all that bad of a job....

and like most of the people he's appointed.

I like Colin Powell, umm.... other than that, I can't really think of anyone else I like, and I despise with my entire being, Ashcroft.


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Re: End of Headshops? [Re: Skikid16]
    #1331982 - 02/24/03 03:51 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Well besides the increase deficet



Deficets are good, they keep the man in line.

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his push for war



A matter of opinion, I agree with him here.

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and push for legislation to limit civil liberties (read: Patriot Act)



This pisses me off like no other. But I've taken many history courses, read many books, and watched the History Channel enough to know that such Free Speech limiting acts are nothing new, and generally don't last too long (first case ever: the Alien and Sedition Acts under John Adams).

Quote:

like Colin Powell, umm.... other than that, I can't really think of anyone else I like, and I despise with my entire being, Ashcroft.



Again, matters of opinion. But I can guarantee that you don't hate Ashcroft as much as I do :P


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Re: End of Headshops? [Re: baraka]
    #1331987 - 02/24/03 03:52 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

The text of the drug paraphernalia law is as follows:

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Section 863. Drug paraphernalia



It is unlawful for any person--


to sell or offer for sale drug paraphernalia;


to use the mails or any other facility of interstate commerce to transport drug paraphernalia; or


to import or export drug paraphernalia.



Anyone convicted of an offense under subsection (a) of this section shall be imprisoned for not more than three years and fined under title 18, United States Code.


Any drug paraphernalia involved in any violation of subsection (a) of this section shall be subject to seizure and forfeiture upon the conviction of a person for such violation. Any such paraphernalia shall be delivered to the Administrator of General Services, General Services Administration, who may order such paraphernalia destroyed or may authorize its use for law enforcement or educational purposes by Federal, State, or local authorities.


The term "drug paraphernalia" means any equipment, product, or material of any kind which is primarily intended or designed for use in manufacturing, compounding, converting, concealing, producing, processing, preparing, injecting, ingesting, inhaling, or otherwise introducing into the human body a controlled substance, possession of which is unlawful under the Controlled Substances Act (title II of Public Law 91-513). It includes items primarily intended or designed for use in ingesting, inhaling, or otherwise introducing marijuana, cocaine, hashish, hashish oil, PCP, or amphetamines into the human body, such as--


metal, wooden, acrylic, glass, stone, plastic, or ceramic pipes with or without screens, permanent screens, hashish heads, or punctured metal bowls;


water pipes;


carburetion tubes and devices;


smoking and carburetion masks;


roach clips: meaning objects used to hold burning material, such as a marihuana cigarette, that has become too small or too short to be held in the hand;


miniature spoons with level capacities of one-tenth cubic centimeter or less;


chamber pipes;


carburetor pipes;


electric pipes;


air-driven pipes;


chillums;


bongs;


ice pipes or chillers;


wired cigarette papers; or


cocaine freebase kits.



In determining whether an item constitutes drug paraphernalia, in addition to all other logically relevant factors, the following may be considered:


instructions, oral or written, provided with the item concerning its use;


descriptive materials accompanying the item which explain or depict its use;


national and local advertising concerning its use;


the manner in which the item is displayed for sale;


whether the owner, or anyone in control of the item, is a legitimate supplier of like or related items to the community, such as a licensed distributor or dealer of tobacco products;


direct or circumstantial evidence of the ratio of sales of the item(s) to the total sales of the business enterprise;


the existence and scope of legitimate uses of the item in the community; and


expert testimony concerning its use.



This section shall not apply to--


any person authorized by local, State, or Federal law to manufacture, possess, or distribute such items; or


any item that, in the normal lawful course of business, is imported, exported, transported, or sold through the mail or by any other means, and traditionally intended for use with tobacco products, including any pipe, paper, or accessory.





Based on that, this appears to be more of a "disclaimer" issue than anything else, since most of the items listed as "drug paraphernalia" are dual-use items, although a bong would be more dificult to defend. The headshops in my neck-of-the-woods are careful to avoid such items; and they only sell the dual-use items under a legal disclaimer. It is important to notice, however, that there are many land mines in federal law, both drug and non-drug, that could allow the govt to take arbitrary action against citizens for economic reasons.

Browns' analogy to the silencer is laughable, however, since laws against silencers wont keep them out of the hands of murderers.


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Re: End of Headshops? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1332012 - 02/24/03 04:01 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

A disclaimer can be used to demonstrate that the seller had reason to believe that the pipes were being used as drug paraphernalia.

Disclaimers are useless.


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Re: End of Headshops? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1332042 - 02/24/03 04:12 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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A disclaimer can be used to demonstrate that the seller had reason to believe that the pipes were being used as drug paraphernalia.

Disclaimers are useless.




By the same token, a disclaimer could also be used to demonstrate that a spore vendor knew his/her products were being used to grow mushrooms; or that a "research chemical" vendor knew their products would be used illegally as drugs. But in both cases, the presence of disclaimers has allowed them to avoid prosecution.

A disclaimer would have been very useful for PF.


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Re: End of Headshops? [Re: Anonymous]
    #1332047 - 02/24/03 04:13 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Deficets are good, they keep the man in line.
I can't believe you said that.


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Re: End of Headshops? [Re: Anonymous]
    #1332049 - 02/24/03 04:14 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Deficets are good, they keep the man in line.

...and propel inflation, and shed the burden of our poor money management onto our children, and decrease the value of the dollar in the international market,

A matter of opinion, I agree with him here.

Now if we could only convince the rest of the world.....



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Re: End of Headshops? [Re: MushyMay]
    #1332088 - 02/24/03 04:33 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Back in the beginning of America, Hamilton and Jefferson had some debates over whether or not the Federal government should assume, or pick up the tab so to speak, all debts incured by the states. Hamilton's point was that the states, being in debt, would have more alligience to the country as a whole.

My point here is that, when in debt, the government will be harder pressed to get "good deals" and spend money more wisely, in theory. Of course, for this to work, the American people have to get off their lazy asses and become more involved in politics.


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Re: End of Headshops? [Re: baraka]
    #1332259 - 02/24/03 05:36 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

John Ashcroft is the biggest threat to freedom in America since the McCarthy era.


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Re: End of Headshops? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1332368 - 02/24/03 06:28 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

In California the disclaimer "WARNING" dog may bite or Guard dog on duty or any warning about the dangers of a dog are used against a person..

They indicate that a person has reason to believe that their dog is a nuisence and a possible hazard.

Same could go for all disclaimers.. Duno if a high court says so though.


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Re: End of Headshops? [Re: GabbaDj]
    #1332395 - 02/24/03 06:42 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

THat's more of a warning than a disclaimer. It might hrelieve them of civil penalties id fomeone failed to heed the warning.

As far as protecting yourself from thought crime laws they're about as effective as a paper condom.


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Re: End of Headshops? [Re: baraka]
    #1332451 - 02/24/03 06:58 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

"Quite simply, the illegal drug paraphernalia industry has invaded the homes of families across the country without their knowledge," Ashcroft said in a statement.

Invaded?! was there hostages involved?


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Re: End of Headshops? [Re: baraka]
    #1332558 - 02/24/03 07:47 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I've made several artistic clay pipes for the smoking of unspecified dry plant material.

Halfway through making one, I started tripping out on the paraphenalia law. The block of clay was totally legal. The finished pipe will not be. Right now, halfway complete, it's a decorative sculpture. If I punch one more hole in it, it's an illicit device. But if I put more holes in it, you can't smoke out of it anymore, or if I add another lump of clay here, it won't work as a 'pipe' anymore, then it's ok- suppose it turns into an ocarina or an oil lamp that you can coincidentally smoke out of too...?

At what exact point does this oddly shaped lump of clay in my hands take on an illegal topology?

Think about that. Illegal topologies.

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