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Stoners Against Legalization Team Up With Ex-Crackhead Priest [CA]
    #13283674 - 10/03/10 11:52 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Daily Roundup: Stoners Against Legalization Team Up With Ex-Crackhead Priest
Sep 28, 2010 - East Bay Express

1. How do you convince paranoid stoners fearful of a secret tobacco industry conspiracy to take over pot? Well, you can't simply call RJ Reynolds and get a denial like Peter Hecht of the Sac Bee did today. "Frank Lester, spokesman for Reynolds America Inc., seemed almost apologetic for killing the speculation. But he confirmed that the parent company for R.J. Reynolds Tobacco, Santa Fe Natural Tobacco and the American Snuff Company, won't be adding a marijuana production division. 'Even going back years, I remember hearing that same thing back in the 1970s and 1980s,' Lester said of the Big Tobacco pot business rumors. 'We are paying attention to the California initiative just as a political situation. But we're not preparing to enter into the marijuana trade at all.' Lester added: 'We're a domestic U.S. tobacco company. We're interested in providing the finest tobacco products to adult tobacco consumers. We're not in the trade of selling marijuana, nor will we ever be.'" See, man, that's just what they want you to think. Read more news after the jump.

2. It's this kind of hermetically sealed logic at play in the Stoners Against Legalization movement, who brought a little Tea Party theater to the International Cannabis and Hemp Expo last weekend, Cannabis Culture reports. "What was meant to be a debate and forum on Prop 19 devolved into chaos. The bill’s creator and sponsor, Richard Lee, the founder of Oaksterdam University, was so loudly heckled and booed that when it was his turn to speak he got red in the face and yelled into the microphone, 'We’re all for fucking legalization! This is the best we can do right now!' and then a quieter aside to panelist Chris Conrad, Publisher of West Coast Leaf, 'I’m done,' was picked up by the microphones. Conrad spoke to represent the 'Yes on 19' opinion for much of the remainder of the debate."

Stoner Against Legalization writer Dragonfly De la Luz teamed up with ex-crackhead and self-appointed Sacramento bishop Ron Allen (watch him on Fox here) to spread their misunderstandings of Prop 19, like the idea that it would have any effect on medical marijuana but to make it cheaper. Panelist and West Coast Leaf publisher Chris Conrad "pulled up the proposition on a projector and attempted to show the audience the protections in the bill but was also drowned out by hecklers.”

3. Meanwhile in reality, liberal blog Firedoglake takes on the No on 19 argument that a "patchwork" of California laws on sales of cannabis would be a bad thing. “The fictitious, nightmarish patchwork of regulations caused by allowing local governments to craft local ordinances is no different than how local governments handle almost everything in our economy, including alcohol, parking, pizza ovens, farmers markets and building codes. ... Where do these distortions and ridiculous worries about differing local ordinances come from? They come directly from the long-time drug warriors leading the opposition to Prop 19, such as the California Police Chiefs Association. [And the California Beer and Beverage Distributors.]

"The point is that everything from lawn size to beer sales is subject to different local regulations. Prop 19 would simply mean that marijuana is treated no differently in this regard than any other legal product. The people who somehow seem horrified about letting towns write their own ordinances about marijuana sales amazingly have done nothing to fix the terrifying 'legal nightmare' we apparently currently live in regarding almost everything else. These attacks on Prop 19 are in fact weird, broadly metaphysical complaints about the entire purpose of this country's local governments."
[via MMJ]

4. The Atlantic concludes Prop 19 will be a problem for President Obama, whose re-election might partially depend on his response to the initiative passing. "Earlier this month, nine former administrators of the Drug Enforcement Administration sent a letter calling on Obama and Holder to sue if Prop. 19 passes, blocking the statewide legalization of possession and personal growth and the allowance of individual counties to license commercial sale and production of marijuana. ... The pressure will likely be intense. Legalized marijuana is practically inconceivable to large swaths of the country, and one can see the broader coalition of social conservatives and concerned moderates reeling in shock on November 3, aghast at California's decadence and lawlessness, and turning to President Obama to put a stop to it. ... At this point, it seems the Obama administration will sue California, but that's just an educated guess: the Justice Department has declined to comment.”


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Re: Stoners Against Legalization Team Up With Ex-Crackhead Priest [CA] [Re: Green_T]
    #13283810 - 10/03/10 12:22 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

They can't simply SUE California.

The premise of this is retarded. The federal government can not mandate what laws states make.
If cali wants to impose a $100 fine for < 1 ounce; and no court [prop 19] The federal government cant say shit.
They REALLLLLY cant.

It is analogous to lets say Iowa deciding they dont want to waste resources on people who steal mail anymore,
so they repeal all laws that punish mail steelers. 
Stealing mail is still illegal! its a federal crime in fact.

The threat to democracy here is if the federal government had the power to mandate laws to the states individually.
They have already gone to far several times, my least favorite of which being how they threatened to pull all highway funding if a state maintains a drinking age under 21. There was no law, just the fed threatening and infringing on states rights.  Scary stuff.


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Re: Stoners Against Legalization Team Up With Ex-Crackhead Priest [CA] [Re: rodfarva]
    #13283876 - 10/03/10 12:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Stoners against legalization?

Im already prepared to ignore everything they have to say.

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Re: Stoners Against Legalization Team Up With Ex-Crackhead Priest [CA] [Re: mukhail]
    #13283920 - 10/03/10 12:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

more like drug dealers against legalization

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Re: Stoners Against Legalization Team Up With Ex-Crackhead Priest [CA] [Re: eric111e]
    #13284007 - 10/03/10 12:55 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

fuckin potheads


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Re: Stoners Against Legalization Team Up With Ex-Crackhead Priest [CA] [Re: Green_T]
    #13284315 - 10/03/10 02:05 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:



Stoner Against Legalization writer Dragonfly De la Luz teamed up with.....




under no circumstances should you ever listen to a man named dragonfly. what a dick

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Re: Stoners Against Legalization Team Up With Ex-Crackhead Priest [CA] [Re: rodfarva]
    #13284445 - 10/03/10 02:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

rodfarva said:
If cali wants to impose a $100 fine for < 1 ounce; and no court [prop 19] The federal government cant say shit.
They REALLLLLY cant.






That's not prop 19. That's the decrim bill that got signed on the first. Prop 19 regulates sales and there is no fine.

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Re: Stoners Against Legalization Team Up With Ex-Crackhead Priest [CA] [Re: Green_T]
    #13285143 - 10/03/10 04:34 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

even if malboro starts selling bud, who the fuck gives a shit, there will be 100's of different brands out there, and as an added bonus you can grow your own pesticide/cancer free herb

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Re: Stoners Against Legalization Team Up With Ex-Crackhead Priest [CA] [Re: eric111e]
    #13285336 - 10/03/10 05:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

mukhail said:
Stoners against legalization?

Im already prepared to ignore everything they have to say.




Quote:

eric111e said:
more like drug dealers against legalization




:sadyes:

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Re: Stoners Against Legalization Team Up With Ex-Crackhead Priest [CA] [Re: Brennus]
    #13285491 - 10/03/10 05:56 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

RJ Reynolds taking over the weed industry is like Budweiser taking over the beer industry. Do they hold a large portion of the market? Yes. Will they ever push craft brewers out of the market? No.

People have a taste for quality. And those that dont will smoke and drink whatever crap they can easily get. Some will drink Budweiser and smoke ditch weed, all of which was mass produced. And some will drink and smoke their own quality homebrew/home grown. This is never going to change.

The only difference that I can see in this bill is that you wont get busted for having, or growing your own bud. I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed if this bill passes and the only thing that happens are a few shops open up around town, and you can see the weed your neighbor is already growing outside.

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Re: Stoners Against Legalization Team Up With Ex-Crackhead Priest [CA] [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #13286228 - 10/03/10 08:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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wildernessjunkie said:
I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed if this bill passes and the only thing that happens are a few shops open up around town, and you can see the weed your neighbor is already growing outside.



I agree with most of your points but there will be plenty of shops opening everywhere. Sure the locals can grow their own weed, but there will be a huge demand from tourists. It will help fuel the commercial side of the industry. Then whenever other states reluctantly legalize, the businesses in California can spread across the country.

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Re: Stoners Against Legalization Team Up With Ex-Crackhead Priest [CA] [Re: Rabid Jelly Bean]
    #13286570 - 10/03/10 09:51 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I think maybe I could have worded it a little different. The meaning I was shooting for was: If the bill passes.I dont think all the bad things the naysayers are saying will happen.

Not sure how that last one came across, so figured I would clarify my view of it.

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Re: Stoners Against Legalization Team Up With Ex-Crackhead Priest [CA] [Re: Rabid Jelly Bean]
    #13286621 - 10/03/10 10:03 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Rabid Jelly Bean said:
Quote:

wildernessjunkie said:
I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed if this bill passes and the only thing that happens are a few shops open up around town, and you can see the weed your neighbor is already growing outside.



I agree with most of your points but there will be plenty of shops opening everywhere. Sure the locals can grow their own weed, but there will be a huge demand from tourists. It will help fuel the commercial side of the industry. Then whenever other states reluctantly legalize, the businesses in California can spread across the country.




actually i think hes got it right. if this passes, its not going to be prevalent. many cities in the state probably wont even allow it, and those that do will be places like humboldt, sf, and la; where all the medical marijuana shops will simply be converted to merchant shops/smoke lounges.


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Re: Stoners Against Legalization Team Up With Ex-Crackhead Priest [CA] [Re: Mickalopagus]
    #13286732 - 10/03/10 10:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I am sick of these drug dealers against legalization!  At least law enforcement is probably brainwashed into thinking legalization will actually be a bad thing for society.  These dealers know how it would help society, and still choose to get rich without trying instead.


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Re: Stoners Against Legalization Team Up With Ex-Crackhead Priest [CA] [Re: Green_T]
    #13286841 - 10/03/10 11:01 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

"Lulz" is all that needs to be said.

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Re: Stoners Against Legalization Team Up With Ex-Crackhead Priest [CA] [Re: smoke dank]
    #13287097 - 10/04/10 12:24 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

That's the best headline ever :lol:


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Re: Stoners Against Legalization Team Up With Ex-Crackhead Priest [CA] [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #13288194 - 10/04/10 10:11 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Stoners against legalization:awewtf:



I had to do a double take on that one.


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Re: Stoners Against Legalization Team Up With Ex-Crackhead Priest [CA] [Re: rodfarva]
    #13288367 - 10/04/10 11:04 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

rodfarva said:
They can't simply SUE California.

The premise of this is retarded. The federal government can not mandate what laws states make.
If cali wants to impose a $100 fine for < 1 ounce; and no court [prop 19] The federal government cant say shit.
They REALLLLLY cant.

It is analogous to lets say Iowa deciding they dont want to waste resources on people who steal mail anymore,
so they repeal all laws that punish mail steelers. 
Stealing mail is still illegal! its a federal crime in fact.

The threat to democracy here is if the federal government had the power to mandate laws to the states individually.
They have already gone to far several times, my least favorite of which being how they threatened to pull all highway funding if a state maintains a drinking age under 21. There was no law, just the fed threatening and infringing on states rights.  Scary stuff.




Don't be so sure bout that one bud
They Really can't!
Who are "they"? The governments? The men in Black?
They Can and they will do what they can they always have and shall it be forever like it is.
Nothing changes everything stays the same except $ someone somewhere is getting a reeking profit for passing this bill for singing this bill and if thing's don't go the payers way ("they") will step in and they will change laws for better or for worse.

Unless we have a revolt of public citizens rioting in the streets, assaulting officers, raiding government building's then these laws are in the hands of the men who once created exactly opposite of whats imposed.
Now that's democracy! At it's pride and glory stuck under your shoe...and smelling of dog shit.

But they tell you to live happy eh? hahaha

Edited by Scruffy404 (10/04/10 11:05 AM)

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Re: Stoners Against Legalization Team Up With Ex-Crackhead Priest [CA] [Re: Scruffy404]
    #13289085 - 10/04/10 03:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Scruffy404 said:


Unless we have a revolt of public citizens rioting in the streets, assaulting officers, raiding government building's then these laws are in the hands of the men who once created exactly opposite of whats imposed.
Now that's democracy! At it's pride and glory stuck under your shoe...and smelling of dog shit.






Ghandi and MLK. Two prime examples totally negating your thoughts.


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