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advice for a beginner
    #13272089 - 09/30/10 07:52 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

i'm gonna be moving to washington sooner or later and am pretty intent on going hiking or backpacking as much as I can.

what's a broad overview of what I would need?

is going out with just a hammock, tarp, and cooking stuff a bad plan?

any info is great :smile:


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Re: advice for a beginner [Re: pfxtc]
    #13272118 - 09/30/10 07:58 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Essentials

good boots, gaiters are very handy to have up here in the spring/fall/winter, some decent gloves and a set of clothing layers that will cover the various kinds of weather you will get into...

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Re: advice for a beginner [Re: spores]
    #13272957 - 09/30/10 10:45 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Ive been hiking and camping for years and never used gaiters until very recently.

I prefer my hiking shoes, over my boots - in drier terrain.

Pick up some "backpacking magazine" how to books from the library, or any backpacking book should be able to help you out.


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Re: advice for a beginner [Re: pfxtc] * 2
    #13275194 - 10/01/10 01:00 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Experience is really the best teacher.  I find that each person who does a lot of it tends to hone their gear to match their personal preferences.  Not everyone prefers to carry the same load or have the same items with them.  Basically you just need to start out with some basics and take it from there.  You'll figure the rest out as you go.

One thing I always recommend to people is to spend the extra money on a few key items right from the start.  Boots, pack and sleeping bag.  If one of those three items is causing you discomfort it can ruin the entire trip.  Sore feet make you miserable, as does an uncomfortable pack that you dread putting on every morning.  And if you aren't sleeping well at night then the days will suck.  So don't be afraid to shop for the best when it comes to those things.

Beyond that its all up to you.  Of course plan your food and water accordingly and always carry a simple survival kit.  Make sure you have good, reliable fire starting tools and the know-how to use them.  And if you are new to these kind of activities you might want to plan your trips along well established and well traveled trails to minimize your chance of getting lost and increase the chance to find help should you need it.

Most of all...HAVE FUN!  Not enough people get out and really enjoy the beauty nature has to offer.  I'm always happy to see someone take an interest in getting out more.


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Re: advice for a beginner [Re: ToTheSummit]
    #13276425 - 10/01/10 05:20 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

The post above has great advice.

Everyone has little things which he/she considers essential. You will figure them out when you're in the middle of nowhere without it. (For example, my skin gets really dry in the mountains. Like "gives me the chills when I touch something" dry. I go crazy without lotion. A silly, little thing, but something I no longer backpack without.)

Also, a good water filter (preferably one that can be field repaired) is invaluable obviously. Don't skimp on this either.

As mentioned above, it is a good idea to go with a club (find one online on www.meetup.com or something). Use other people's equipment your first time out, and you will find out what kind of equipment you like. (e.g. "His pot is SO cool, her pad is the best, I love his tent design, and her utensils are SO compact but usable.") You get the picture.

Have fun! Backpacking with the right people is an awesome experience.

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Re: advice for a beginner [Re: pfxtc]
    #13277958 - 10/02/10 12:29 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Some good advice in here..
My advice is to go minimal when possible but don't skimp on the important stuff.
Get your pack list and get all your gear together, and go out for tester 1 or 2 night "shakedown" runs. Get rid of the stuff you find you don't need or find ways to make multiple tools out of a single thing. A simple thing like a bandana that weighs almost nothing, can be infinitely invaluable. IMO a good sharp knife is essential. As is a quality, comfortable pack that is well balanced and carries a load well. Quality shelter is important.
Pack, shelter, and pack are your biggest three weights - don't skimp here.

You should put together a small survival kit containing all the essentials for survival and just keep that stashed in your pack. A basic one includes a way to make fire, a way to boil/disinfect water, tools to acquire food or construct basic emergency shelters, and some basic survival and navigational tools, and all of that should fit into something about the size of an altoids container.. something like this, or this or this.. you never know when it will come in handy.

Another handy tool I highly recommend is a firesteel.. weighs ounces and one steel can strike literally thousands and thousands of fires, even when completely wet. It produces insanely hot sparks and all you need is a piece of metal or rock to scrape against it. No fire making kit is complete without one!

Also a good water filter, if you plan on drinking water.. you know that stuff we are composed like 70% of :laugh:
Cryptosporidium and his friends is no joke so always have a way to filter/boil/disinfect water from natural sources, you can never really trust drinking directly from a stream or something these days. And getting infected with one of these pathogens in the wilderness can be deadly, if you are seriously dehydrated and have the worst case of diarrhea ever, bad combo.

The other big variable is clothing. What you wear is gonna vary greatly depending on your environment/climate. Obviously if you are in the desert it's gonna be a different wardrobe then in a NW rainforest or something. The two big considerations in clothing are: protection from the sun, and protection from the rain/cold. Since you'll be in the NW you'll probably want a decent set of rain gear cause being drenched sucks.


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Re: advice for a beginner [Re: Shroomism]
    #13279736 - 10/02/10 01:27 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: advice for a beginner [Re: nopalero]
    #13283505 - 10/03/10 11:11 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I find that the most discomfort I get in the wilderness is from a heavy pack, and have made a continual effort to dump as much weight as possible. It is not hard to get your pack+shelter+sleeping bag+pad at 6 lbs or even less. Some big, empty monster packs weigh close to that -- empty. Weight is the ultimate enemy for me. I can hike much longer, faster, more comfortably, and can hike off trail and up and down gnarly shit with less weight. Ultimately this equates to a more enjoyable experience which is why I'm there in the first place.

People bring all sorts of stuff to stay comfortable, but the weight just makes you uncomfortable and prone to stress injuries, plus breeds the dread of humping a monster load around all day (consequently this is what it takes to grow an appreciation for the lightweight approach). When you think about it, most of your stuff generally stays in your pack throughout the day anyway.

Don't necessrily feel like you need to buy out REI to 'be prepared' for backcountry travel. You need to be able to stay warm, dry, hydrated and fed, and this doesn't require much really. Good clothes, rain gear, and something to deal with rain and wind while you're sleeping will take you most the way there. I would echo what was said about good water filters too -- very handy. Footwear is important too -- but less so if you have a light pack. Many lightweight hikers use running shoes. A lot of gear can be used for multiple purposes as well. For instance you can use your pack as a mattress, unless you're somewhere really cold (even then you could stuff moss in it). If you're worried about being uncomfortable at night, just bring some xanax.

Here's some gear I like:

MLD Duomid shelter: 12oz, 2 person
Golite Pinnacle pack: 1 lb 9oz, 4400ci. I love my Pinnacle.
Platypus water bags: 1.3oz, holds 2+ liters, folds down to nothing.
POE Ether 2/3 mattress: 13.5oz
5.10 Approach shoes: I love these for backpacking. Rugged, sticky, comfortable, and good support -- and they even look good. They aren't waterproof, but they drain water really well and dry out quick, which IMO is preferrable to something allegedly waterproof. Most "waterproof" boots basically suck if you get water in them as they take forever to dry.

To keep my gear dry, I use a lightweight drybag inside of my pack like this one. I have fully submersed my pack with one of those bags for several minutes (took a 'swim' packrafting in some huge waves) and everything remained totally dry. I also carry a lightweight umbrella.

Also I encourage you to investigate packrafting. Being able to add river/creek travel (up to class III) to a backcountry trip opens up huge opportunities. I'm a total fiend for a good packrafting trip nowadays. It's quite addictive.

Anyway there are a number of fantastic resources out there. I try to draw from likes of Roman Dial, Andrew Skurka, etc -- guys with incredible backcountry feats that I will leave you to explore. www.backpackinglight.com is a good resource as well.


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