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    #13271608 - 09/30/10 06:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Preparation of a Perfect Bulk Substrate: The Prof_P Bulk Poo Tek

This recipe is meant to fill one clear 64 quart monotub to an approximate 4" Substrate depth.



Ingredients:


- ½ brick coir
- 2 cups pelletized gypsum
- 2 quarts COARSE verm
- 2 lbs (~7liters) field aged h-poo
- 3.75 quarts H2O (approx.)



Tools:
- 1 power drill w/ drill bit.
- 1 tape measure
- 1 five gallon bucket
- 1 butter knife
- 1 qt. mason jar


Preparation:

Step one : Measure to 4 inches, which is approximately the middle, of the brick of coir and scratch a line dividing it into two equal halves.  Take your drill and drive a hole directly through the center of mass of the brick along with another above and beneath it. Now press the brick up against the edge of your sink and snap it in half. It should break easily with its center of mass drilled out.
Peel ½ of the brick of coco coir apart into thin layers with a butter knife, it comes apart very easily; then break into little pieces. Put them in the bucket.




Step two: Add 1 quart of hot H2O to the bucket and wait a couple minutes.



Step three: Break up the coir with your hands. Make sure to get all the fine chunks broken up really well.



Step four: The coir should be fluffed up and damp at this point but not wet. Now you want to add your 2 cups of gypsum and distribute it evenly throughout the bucket of coir. Make sure to mix deep.

Note: It would not matter if you added the gypsum last, gypsum is water soluble, but I prefer to add it as the second ingredient in order to make sure to avoid clumping.



Step five: Add the verm. Mix well



Step six: Add the poo. Mix well




Step seven (The lucky step): Add 2 more quarts of H2O. Mix well. Make sure to dig your fingers all the way to the bottom of the bucket to get any dry areas hydrated.



Next add the final ¾ quart H2O in ¼ quart increments checking for field capacity along the way. 




Now your ready to pasteurize and spawn. 


Here is a link to a video guide of this tek,.....



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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13576406 - 12/03/10 10:20 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Very good Tek!


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Derpy Whooves]
    #13576447 - 12/03/10 10:29 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

how do you personally pastuerize?


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: k00laid] * 1
    #13576459 - 12/03/10 10:33 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

For my first time
I did everything in oven safe bowls.

After i'm done I put tin-foil over the bowl(s) and keep at 350 for an hour.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Derpy Whooves]
    #13576463 - 12/03/10 10:34 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i meant prof >.<
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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: k00laid]
    #13576467 - 12/03/10 10:35 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

its cool.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Derpy Whooves]
    #13576595 - 12/03/10 11:04 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Nice tek man:thumbup::thumbup:
Probably going to use this tek in my
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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: SaturnClaus]
    #13576641 - 12/03/10 11:16 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Do you think hydrated lime would work instead of gypsum?

I was just getting ready to try pasteurizing my casing by using the Damion5050 coir tek method of just adding boiling water to the bucket containing the casing mix and letting it sit for 4 hours. It works for coir, it should work for casing, or your recipe or any bulk sub. What do you think? I'm going to try it and see........MM


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Mr Mycoman]
    #13576686 - 12/03/10 11:27 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i think lime is used as a ph buffer and gypsum is used for nutritional content.

as far as damions coir tek i have heard its best to only use it for coir and to use proper pasteurization for other media. this is because coir is more contam resistant than things like poo, or 50/50 mix. but honestly i have not tried damions coir tek so take what i say with a grain of salt :shrug:


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: deadmandave]
    #13576887 - 12/03/10 12:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I was thinking along the same lines as you DMD, the poo definately is more prone to contams than coir, but peat/verm should be ok, I would think. No nutritional content?........MM


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Mr Mycoman]
    #13576902 - 12/03/10 12:13 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

yeah MM i think you're right about that, no nutritional value should present a low risk of contam


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: k00laid]
    #13576907 - 12/03/10 12:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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how do you personally pastuerize?



I use 5 counter top roasters w/ 4 bags per roaster.

That allows me to prep 5 tubs a day.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13576930 - 12/03/10 12:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

No the poo isn't more prone to contams.

Actually coir is a 1 flush wonder. What I mean by that is I have tubs w/ straight poo get 7 flushes before going green. Coir, you'll be lucky to get 2. So in this sense it is coir that is more prone.

Gypsum is there more to aerate the substrate than provide nutrition.

The nutrition comes primarily from the Poo. 

This is why I use 1/2 & 1/2 . It allows me to get more flushes because of the addition of the poo. Just a greater overall yield.



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Here is a Pic of a tub of PE done with this recipe that just started pinning.



I have a zero % contam rate w/ this recipe.




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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13576952 - 12/03/10 12:29 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

PP, is that a roaster that would be similar to a big crock pot? How big are they? I guess they have a built in thermostat? Sears?....MM

I'm still working out the bugs in my 55 gallon pasteurizer, but I think I have it now. It's in test mode as I type, and it's working good so far.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Mr Mycoman]
    #13576985 - 12/03/10 12:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)



This is a more expensive model.

They have cheaper one at walmart.

You need the 18qt. one so you can fit the 4 bags.

Keep in mind its a steam bath method.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13577014 - 12/03/10 12:45 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

and just regular oven bags?


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: k00laid]
    #13577157 - 12/03/10 01:28 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Why do you bold the "coarse"?
I have a coir/verm bulk colonising now and it's with fine verm.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Hamurabi]
    #13577225 - 12/03/10 01:47 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Why do you bold the "coarse"?
I have a coir/verm bulk colonising now and it's with fine verm.




cause it fluffs the mixture up
without coarse then you would need some straw
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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: jokefox]
    #13577499 - 12/03/10 02:45 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Cool, thanks PP. I was thinking about getting one but my 55 gallon home made steamer just passed the test after having to tweak it quite a bit. I'm going to start a post and post the results of my quest.....MM


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: k00laid]
    #13577502 - 12/03/10 02:46 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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and just regular oven bags?



Those fucking things are a nightmare. I want nothing to do with them ever again as long as I live.

I use spawn bags.

Zip tied closed.

lay a patch of waterproof tape (the one that looks like a band-aide)

I then draw a dot w/ a permanent marker. and cut a small hole w/ the tip of a boning knife in order to check the temp with (for this you'll need a meat thermometer).

Note: !!!!!! Be very careful not to poke a hole in the bottom of the oven bag while checking the temp. The bag will get completely saturated if you do and it sux hardcore.

As for the oven bags,.... You can use them but I would double bag them and be very careful as they love to split.

Then you set the temp to 250 and a timer for 15 min.

At this point they should be floating in the water inside your roaster with the lid on the roaster.

Check it every 15min. ..... It takes about an hour to reach 150-60 degrees.

Don't go over 250 though because the temp can sky rocket and you don't want to sterilize your sub by passing 185 degree F.

once you hit 150-60 degrees simply turn the heat down to 150 and set your timer for 60-120 min.

I do 120 though.

At the end of the time slap another piece of tape over the holes where you monitored your temp and toss the bags in a clean bucket w/ a lid clicked closed to cool overnight.

Make sure you clean the bucket w/ soapy water first and dry it w/ a clean rag or paper towel.

The next day your ready to spawn.

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Why do you bold the "coarse"?
I have a coir/verm bulk colonising now and it's with fine verm.




You can use the fine verm but the coarse is better,.... as Jokefox said it proved a better aeration.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13577523 - 12/03/10 02:51 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

one thing i do for perfect water level in substrate
is i will throw all my sub into a pillow case
then dunk that in water a few times to get it all soaked
then i ring out the pillow case , just keep twisting and pushing it into a tight ball
then let it sit for a little while , hasent failed me yet

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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: jokefox]
    #13577551 - 12/03/10 02:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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one thing i do for perfect water level in substrate
is i will throw all my sub into a pillow case
then dunk that in water a few times to get it all soaked
then i ring out the pillow case , just keep twisting and pushing it into a tight ball
then let it sit for a little while , hasent failed me yet

if you can squeeze water out of the "bundle" then its to wet



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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13577566 - 12/03/10 03:00 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

small batch prep..?

what are you calling your prep here , big money prep?

i can do 4 times the amount you can with your way
by doing it my way

and after you have the pillow cases with the substate just throw them in a setup with a
steamer thing ,

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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: jokefox]
    #13577591 - 12/03/10 03:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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small batch prep..?

what are you calling your prep here , big money prep?

i can do 4 times the amount you can with your way
by doing it my way

and after you have the pillow cases with the substrate just throw them in a setup with a
steamer thing ,

it doesent get easier then pillow case to steaming pasteurization





You don't want to use the pillowcase method for the amount of substrate I prepare.

I prepare about 40 lbs. (pre-hydration) a day. Thats a lot of wringing man.

I'm not knocking the method at all. Its a good method. I'm just saying for the amount that I grow it would take a lot longer to do it that way. I prep 5 buckets a day with this tek.

Way too much wringing. Instead of wringing I just add H2O a lil at a time until I hit the correct moisture content.

Thats the key to the tittle of this thread  "BULK"


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13577613 - 12/03/10 03:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

ahhh
i see what your saying

instead of guessing the water ,
just know exactly how much water you need

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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: jokefox]
    #13577670 - 12/03/10 03:19 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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ahhh
i see what your saying

instead of guessing the water ,
just know exactly how much water you need

smart man
thats why ILU<3



Every single thing I do is measured and premeditated. I usually like to think before making the next move. 

I just love math, physics, and chemistry Science and thats just how things wound up in my life. :shrug: I'm a weirdo. But it serves its benefit.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13577728 - 12/03/10 03:28 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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ProfessorPinHead said:
Quote:

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ahhh
i see what your saying

instead of guessing the water ,
just know exactly how much water you need

smart man
thats why ILU<3



Every single thing I do is measured and premeditated. I usually like to think before making the next move. 

I just love math, physics, and chemistry Science and thats just how things wound up in my life. :shrug: I'm a weirdo. But it serves its benefit.






i know exactly what you mean , physics <3

im the kind of guy that gets all the measuring shit out
then im like , screw it ,

im to lazy to measure everything out , i have a bucket that i fill , and i know thats enough for
what i need lol

good things we got guys like you
i really like the tek though

i dident know gypsum was soluble , so i learnt something new


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13577799 - 12/03/10 03:38 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Every single thing I do is measured and premeditated. I usually like to think before making the next move. 





So when do you find the time to do drugs?


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    #13577831 - 12/03/10 03:43 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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Every single thing I do is measured and premeditated. I usually like to think before making the next move. 





So when do you find the time to do drugs?




pretty sure hes high right now
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    #13577928 - 12/03/10 04:01 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Every single thing I do is measured and premeditated. I usually like to think before making the next move. 





So when do you find the time to do drugs?




Oh,.. I stopped measuring that ages ago.

Doling out .2 on the scale every-time you want to smoke a bowl gets rather tiresome.

I'm getting too old for other drugs, can only handle cubes a time or two per year at this point, and that trend is decreasing linearly vs time.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13578142 - 12/03/10 04:49 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm getting too old for other drugs, can only handle cubes a time or two per year at this point, and that trend is decreasing linearly vs time.




I'm there with ya.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13580852 - 12/04/10 09:12 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

NICE TEK Dude! What size spawn bag would you use for this?


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: THEHATTER]
    #13580884 - 12/04/10 09:21 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

19" x8 inches, with a 4 1/2" side gusset

exactly like the ones at the bottom of the page; regular not large.

I actually cut the bag bellow the filter patch after zip-tying so I don't use the patches for subs. I use the same bags for grain spawn too.

I don't know why countertop roasters arent more popular?


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13582522 - 12/04/10 05:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: THEHATTER]
    #13583220 - 12/04/10 08:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks to you Pinhead I bought a roaster today. I wanted something smaller than the 55 g drum to do stuff like small batches of casing or whatever. It's going in there right now. I'll let ya know how it goes. So far it's awesome, just turn on and walk away. Thanks......MM


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Mr Mycoman]
    #13583234 - 12/04/10 08:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yea, thats the best part once the temp balances you can set it and forget it, literally :smile:

Good to hear I could help.

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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13583249 - 12/04/10 08:11 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Isn't a brick of coir about 7 liters(or quarts)? If so you're using about twice  as much poo as coir? I don't have any gypsum so I'll probably just skip it this go around. I'm sure it'll work without it, right?......MM


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Mr Mycoman]
    #13583267 - 12/04/10 08:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It should be ok but I'd get some for next time. You use a half a brick of coir. Its 7qts hpoo (~2lbs.), 3.5 liters coir(~1/2brick)

ANd yea, you want more poo. It is where all the nutes come from.

its [60/40/10/10] = {poo/coir/gypsum/verm}


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    #13583295 - 12/04/10 08:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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pretty sure hes high right now

That's too damn funny!!! LMAO!


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Mr Mycoman]
    #13583322 - 12/04/10 08:28 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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pretty sure hes high right now
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    #13583346 - 12/04/10 08:33 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I got the designer model Bella Cucino from Macys(LOL!), sounds fancy huh? It was the same price ($40) as Sears. I took my daughter to the mall today so I was killing time while she played....MM

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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Mr Mycoman]
    #13583366 - 12/04/10 08:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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    #13583489 - 12/04/10 08:58 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

What's up with the leopard fur? LOL! I think I would wear a shirt. Then again, a mask would help too........MM


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Mr Mycoman]
    #13585905 - 12/05/10 02:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I just mixed up 5 batches of a similar mix as this yours. I just started working with coir recently and I love the all the characteristics of it. It's very forgiving with the moisture content. The texture is awesome, and it colonizes extremely fast, like 4 days to a complete white substrate(all throughout), but it seems as though it lacks in nutes so I combined Damion's recipe with yours in order to try and keep all the good characteristics and yet have plenty of nutes. I went with 3/4 brick of coir(cut in half using my jig saw, great!). 1 liter worm castings, 2 liters verm, 2 liters poo(horse with 15%black kow), and 1 cup hydrated lime as a buffer just in case. I might put some straw in one of them to see if it makes a difference. Any thoughts before I stick it in the steamer?

I'm going to try out Damion's pasteurizing method of adding boiling water to one of the buckets to see how that works. I just read in another post that somebody has been doing it with poo successfully so what the heck


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Mr Mycoman]
    #13586113 - 12/05/10 03:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Damion's is good. But I though it was a straight coir tek. That would explain the use of the bucket for pasteurizing.

I'm not familiar with the recipe in the tek though. I just use this one.

I've heard great shit about it though. Should prolly read it sometime soon.
 

I've had problems in the past pasteurizing poo w/ the bucket method. Thats why I use the roasters.

Your recipe sounds perfect though. Should work well.

I'd skip the straw though.

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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13586128 - 12/05/10 03:12 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

ya RR is adamant about saying the bucket pasteurization is not actually pasteurization but only slightly "cooking" the coir to make it easier for the myc to digest.


if i had a remote thermometer i'd like to see how the temps stay inside the bucket.

but i just do it and it works soooo..


but i hear it doesnt work with poo. i've yet to try poo yet.
even though i can probably get ridiculous amounts of it.

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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: k00laid]
    #13586287 - 12/05/10 03:51 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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ya RR is adamant about saying the bucket pasteurization is not actually pasteurization but only slightly "cooking" the coir to make it easier for the myc to digest.


if i had a remote thermometer i'd like to see how the temps stay inside the bucket.

but i just do it and it works soooo..


but i hear it doesnt work with poo. i've yet to try poo yet.
even though i can probably get ridiculous amounts of it.

(midwest)



I've measured them with a thermometer w/ a wire. They stay up there. the problem is it actually can get too high. With poo if it gets sterilized you may have issues.

Coir on the other hand is very clean.

These B+ kids I knew didn't even pasteurize their coir at all. Just hydrate and spawn and never got contaminated.

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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13586294 - 12/05/10 03:52 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

haha ya i think it was m00nshine who said he did that before.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: k00laid]
    #13586327 - 12/05/10 03:59 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I know! These kids used to do it all the time.... 100% No contams.

Until one day tough.

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    #13586336 - 12/05/10 04:00 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

ive yet to see the green. though im pretty positive ive got a large splotch of bacteria atm.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: k00laid]
    #13586347 - 12/05/10 04:03 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I only do after multiple flushes.

Since I don't take more than 2 flushes before replacing the substrate with a fresh one I never see it these days either.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: k00laid]
    #13586351 - 12/05/10 04:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't try the Damion bucket method, decided not to risk a whole batch. I usually like to do a lot of experimenting but no real reason to do that when my pasteurizer is cooking anyway. The Damion5050 recipe is just 1 brick coir and 2 qts verm. Simple as it gets

I did skip the straw. The texture came out almost like coir so I'm happy with it so far. It looks nice and rich with a nice fluffy texture. It's gonna work just fine.

I tried the bucket method with some casing a day or two ago and I think if I had put enough in there it would have worked. I put the remote probe into it and it was between 170 and 140 for almost 30 minutes. If there was more subs in it, it would have stayed hot longer so it may have worked......MM


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Mr Mycoman]
    #13586383 - 12/05/10 04:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I didn't try the Damion bucket method, decided not to risk a whole batch. I usually like to do a lot of experimenting but no real reason to do that when my pasteurizer is cooking anyway. The Damion5050 recipe is just 1 brick coir and 2 qts verm. Simple as it gets

I did skip the straw. The texture came out almost like coir so I'm happy with it so far. It looks nice and rich with a nice fluffy texture. It's gonna work just fine.

I tried the bucket method with some casing a day or two ago and I think if I had put enough in there it would have worked. I put the remote probe into it and it was between 170 and 140 for almost 30 minutes. If there was more subs in it, it would have stayed hot longer so it may have worked......MM




It should be ok. Yea, coir and verm are super clean. But poo is packed w/ nutes.


I SHOULD MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR TO EVERYONE!


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13586673 - 12/05/10 05:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Looks like I started this topic back up lol.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13586696 - 12/05/10 05:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I SHOULD MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR TO EVERYONE!


I :heart: POO!




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    #13586736 - 12/05/10 05:32 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

:cuteshit: PERCIVAL THE POO PROTECTOR

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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13592651 - 12/06/10 07:48 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Glad to see your tek catching on. 

I pasteurize my manure in spawn bags, on the stove, in a large pot, using water as the heat transfer medium. 

I'd like to have a roaster like yours one day because the stove top method requires attention.


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    #13592972 - 12/06/10 08:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Glad to see your tek catching on. 

I pasteurize my manure in spawn bags, on the stove, in a large pot, using water as the heat transfer medium. 

I'd like to have a roaster like yours one day because the stove top method requires attention.




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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13595078 - 12/07/10 10:19 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I like to pasteurize the shit out my horse manure.


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    #13595082 - 12/07/10 10:20 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I like to pasteurize the shit out my horse manure.



Yea,...... I do for 2 hours.

I'm paranoid though.

Word on the street is you only gotta do it for 60min. ....


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13595102 - 12/07/10 10:25 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Last night I pasteurized 24 quarts of field aged horse manure in spawn bags, 6 quarts per bag in my AA steroclaves in my room while lurking the shroomery at 150F for about the same amonut of time.

I was shooting for 90 minutes, the duration of time I usually pasteurize everything at but I'm sure the substrate stayed above 130 for at least an extra half an hour while it was chillin on the shelf to cool.


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    #13616260 - 12/11/10 06:17 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Very nice. Thank you for sharing.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Estario]
    #13674615 - 12/23/10 06:50 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Tried the recipe last night and I'm impressed..

Normally I use straight dung and, even mixing in verm and gypsum, it's clumpy as all hell..

You gotta break it up with a fork and it just doesn't come out right...

The addition of coir made my day.. I can still have hpoo with the nice fluffy consistency..

I know there's plenty of poo/coir recipes but this is the one I used with the addition of 5% earthworm castings (great additive.. huge yield increase)..

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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Wirenut]
    #13674630 - 12/23/10 06:59 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yes this is a bad-ass substrate recipe.
You liked the way that coir added to the consistency of the manure, did't you?
If you liked that consistency, try adding equal parts wheat straw to this recipe. 

The addition of wheat straw makes the substrate the texture of a buoyant sponge.
The further varying diet seems to even further and more fully speed colonization.
I'm sure that the buoyant spongy texture has an immense role at the colonization rates as well.  :thumbup:


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: hamloaf]
    #13674635 - 12/23/10 07:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

So 1:1:1 poo:coir:straw?


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    #13674685 - 12/23/10 07:23 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

You can do that

Let's say all together we have 24 quarts of coir/manure/whatever substrate.
I'll prepare 24 quarts of wheat straw to be added to that mix of the manure/coir/whatever.

Adding wheat straw at those amounts gives us 2 times the amount of substrate materials for just a few pennies more and the time it takes to pasteurize the straw.
Adding wheat straw adds a stellar consistency as well as a more varied diet for our mushroom mycelium, you can't beat shit like that.

Be sure to shred your wheat straw into fine 1-2 inch pieces for the best consistency added to your manure/coir substrates.


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    #13674782 - 12/23/10 08:12 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the recognition! 

The fluffiness this recipe allows for the substrate 1. increases colonization time due to increased aeration & 2. allows a better pin-set due again to increased aeration.

The proof is in the pudding, as you have seen with the Peener trilogy. For that grow I used this exact substrate recipe :smile: 



I used to use these little mini bales .... I used to pick them up at Micheal's Crafts.

They were about 5 bucks a pop, came pre-shredded, bound by wire.

There are endless possibilities of additives that can be included in this recipe for sure....

I myself don't like to deal with the straw though.... only because I have found it to be a pain to deal with if your making a lot of tubs. I don't know why but I manage to make a serious mess in the house with it every time I even look at it. :shrug:

But like I said there is definitely a great array of things such as, worm castings, spent coffee grounds, wheat straw, kelp meal, etc.,,,,,etc.,,,,,,

Skys the limit if you have the materials, time, and patience. :wink:

I'M JUST HAPPY TO SEE THE TEK BEING PUT TO GOOD USE... any further experimenting/modifying it is encouraged. I'd love to see the results people have when adding various additives to this recipe. :wink:

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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13701581 - 12/29/10 03:31 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Your always talking about 1/2 brick coir & 3.5 liters coir(~1/2brick)

Q1. But do you know in weight how much it gives ? (There's about 5 to 10 size of bricks)

Q2. And how do you calculate this 3.5 liters ? dry or wet coir ?

Q3. And the red high lighted part below give me 120%... did  I miss something ?:confused:

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It should be ok but I'd get some for next time. You use a half a brick of coir. Its 7qts hpoo (~2lbs.), 3.5 liters coir(~1/2brick)

ANd yea, you want more poo. It is where all the nutes come from.

its [60/40/10/10] = {poo/coir/gypsum/verm}




What I understand of it is that poo + coir make that 100% and from that volume add a 10 more parts of verm, and a 10 parts of gypsum.

Example:

60 parts of poo
40 parts of coir
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100 parts X 10% = 10 parts of verm
100 parts X 10% = 10 parts of gypsum

Total 120 parts

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    #13703062 - 12/29/10 08:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The standard size for a brick of coir is 7 litres dry before hydration.

This weights ~0.75 pounds.

The 3.5 is referring to half of the 7 litres.



The 60/40 is referring to the percentage of poo/coir.

Say that the weight is 20 pounds dry total poo/coir combined.

the 10/10 is referring to 10% of said poo/coir number.




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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13703217 - 12/29/10 09:01 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

just want to be part of this thread (so nice...)

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    #13703364 - 12/29/10 09:30 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like I am in class...professor have you used coffee? What are your thoughts on it? With the poo being in there does it make it unnecessary?


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    #13703446 - 12/29/10 09:48 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Man with that good of substrate I'd definetely make sure I got the best genetics possible from agar first :smile: nice like always my friend peener


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    #13703450 - 12/29/10 09:49 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Sounds like I am in class...professor have you used coffee? What are your thoughts on it? With the poo being in there does it make it unnecessary?



Yea, The poo generally provides enough nutrients. Coffee grounds are known to contaminate easily. :shrug:

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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13703488 - 12/29/10 10:00 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Coffee in ny limited experience = contams
Allthough I am trying soaking in 50% diluted water..
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    #13703933 - 12/30/10 12:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Lucky that I've ask !!! The coir bricks i'm using weight 9 pounds dry !!!

It would had change the recipe a little bit :smile:

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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13704236 - 12/30/10 01:47 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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The standard size for a brick of coir is 7 litres dry before hydration.

This weights ~0.75 pounds.

The 3.5 is referring to half of the 7 litres.




To people reading this, check you're own brand of coir, some expand more than others. The one i use is a 'standard' brick that expands to at least 12-14 litres (while clainming on the pack that it expands to 9)


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    #13704351 - 12/30/10 02:38 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Synd. Coir is coir and doesn't matter what brand you use it's gonna be the same.


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    #13704393 - 12/30/10 03:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

what i mean is that not all bricks expand to the same volume. My first tub i used half a brick of coir (expecting it to expand to ~4-5 litres) and a litre of spawn giving about a 4:1 spawn ratio.
I mixed it all up, put it in the tub and left it to colonise. It took almost a month to colonise and i couldnt figure out why. Then used the other half brick of coir for another tub and realised it expanded to 8-9 litres: i'd unwittingly used a 1:8 spawn ratio on the first tub :tongue:

coir easy but different brands will expand different amounts


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    #13704627 - 12/30/10 05:46 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

This is good info :smile:

Point taken.


These are the specific bricks I use. 

eco earth zoo med coco coir.

They are 8 inches long. If you cut at the 4 inch mark it is ~3/4 of a pound.


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    #13704634 - 12/30/10 05:51 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Well, with what you just said Synd, I think the REAL question is:

How much fully expend coir do we need into ProfessorPinhead recipe ?

If Professorpinhead is using half a brick and it give's his (example) 10 quarts for a 3.5 dry liter, and I'm also using a 3.5 dry liter and it expend to 20 quarts... we have a problem !!!! Same for the opposite : 3.5 = 5 quarts.

So maybe I miss the information but I'm not sure ProfessorPinhead answer that part : " How much FULLY EXPEND coir does it give him the 3.5 liter / half brick he's using ? "


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    #13704645 - 12/30/10 06:03 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I've find the information... and it's my fault, I think it already have been answered by OP.

"Compressed coco-substrate brick. Simply soak the brick in water to create 7 - 9L of high quality neutral compost ideal as a vivarium component or culturing ceratin livefoods." Reference here


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    #13989855 - 02/19/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What is the size and source of the trash liners you use to line your 64 quart tubs with?


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: hamloaf]
    #13990229 - 02/19/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Ha, I just was talking about that on another thread....

I'm going to cut and paste a little something to save myself some time here .....

Bear with me [ :smile: ]  I tossed a quick reference answer under the quote if you dont want to read through all of it.....

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ProfessorPinHead said:


The saran wrap seals the top to help retain humidity and the Polyfil both helps retain humidity and allows filtered gases to exchange during colonization. This helps reduce the likelihood of contams entering.


Here is an example.

This tub colonized all the way from 0% -> 100% under an ambient light cycle with nothing but Saran wrap, polyfil, and a 30 gallon black trash can liner under the substrate.





.... No outer bag, no duct tape!!!!!  THIS IS OUT OF DATE MISINFORMATION!!!!!!



I know there are a few different opinions on this one going around to date....
This process takes fine tuning to get down. I have been doing it for years and this is what I have learned to be true. I am a scientist and hold a research degree from a major university. I have been cultivating fungi since biology class during my undergraduate degree. This is my advice......

Do with it what you wish :wink:

-prof.





Anyway, a quick reference answer .... ANY old Black 30 gallon trash can liner will do. I get mine at Home depot ( the cheap ones) for 4 buck / 40 bags .....

For any noobs reading this; asking themselves .... We use the black liner to keep light out from under the substrate and to keep our growth medium clean.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13990284 - 02/19/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i said it befor, i use your tek and you fucking rock! i also used shroomiin`s tek and its fucken great as well!


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: jacobensis]
    #13990383 - 02/19/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks man,

Its good to know the tek has helped people :smile:

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    #13991864 - 02/19/11 07:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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For any noobs reading this; asking themselves .... We use the black liner to keep light out from under the substrate and to keep our growth medium clean.



The black trash bag liner is also used to encourage moisture evaporation through out the middle of the substrate's surface.  Moisture evaporation encouragement through out the middle of the substrate's surface discourages side pinning often created between the walls of the fruiting chamber and substrate where micro-climate is often more optimal without the use of the liner.


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    #13992014 - 02/19/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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For any noobs reading this; asking themselves .... We use the black liner to keep light out from under the substrate and to keep our growth medium clean.



The black trash bag liner is also used to encourage moisture evaporation through out the middle of the substrate's surface.  Moisture evaporation encouragement through out the middle of the substrate's surface discourages side pinning often created between the walls of the fruiting chamber and substrate where micro-climate is often more optimal without the use of the liner.



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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13994540 - 02/20/11 08:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

And when your bulk substrate is spent, you can use it to fuel these fuckerz!



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    #13994620 - 02/20/11 08:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I know this might sound a little gay but...
Prof, I <3 you and wouldn't mind if you threw one of your tubs, unharvested, all over me.


I'm guessing you un-saran wrap the lid once in fruiting? Don't see it on your other tubs in previous pics.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: PEMMs]
    #13994690 - 02/20/11 09:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yea, once its at 100%, Saran comes off, tub gets misted once / day. :thumbup:

At this point we want evaporation of the substrate off the surface area and high FAE rates so as to trigger pinning.


FAE is the # 1 pinning trigger.


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Yea, once its at 100%, Saran comes off, tub gets misted once / day. :thumbup:

At this point we want evaporation of the substrate off the surface area and high FAE rates so as to trigger pinning.


FAE is the # 1 pinning trigger.





Thanks. I'll definitely try this polyfill/saran wrap way next & update this post with my outcome or reference yours on my own post.

I used your opinion on my Coir brick/verm/gypsum/coffee grounds & it seems to be working great.  The tub I PMed you with only a few was my fault mainly, but there are two HUGE PE porkers that came out. I want to clone them.... I've read that poking syringe through middle of one & squirting the inner flesh into a LC type jar of Karo would do this?

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    #13994736 - 02/20/11 09:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yea, that will work. You need to be rather sterile though.

Use a flavor injector needle. The biopsy is hard to work with if you use a 16-18 gauge needle. You can just swap out the needles pre/post cloning. I just sterilize the turkey needle in the PC with the LC fluid so it is ready to use when you take your tissue biopsy.


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Yea, that will work. You need to be rather sterile though.

Use a flavor injector needle. The biopsy is hard to work with if you use a 16-18 gauge needle. You can just swap out the needles pre/post cloning. I just sterilize the turkey needle in the PC with the LC fluid so it is ready to use when you take your tissue biopsy.





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    #14051001 - 03/01/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Awesome tek. I recently used damions 50/50 coir tek but am going to use your recipe next time once I can get my dirty mits on some poo. Im planning on using RR's pasteurization tek though as I have everything needed already/


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    #14051130 - 03/01/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yea, that will work. You need to be rather sterile though.

Use a flavor injector needle. The biopsy is hard to work with if you use a 16-18 gauge needle. You can just swap out the needles pre/post cloning. I just sterilize the turkey needle in the PC with the LC fluid so it is ready to use when you take your tissue biopsy.



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    #14052693 - 03/02/11 02:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Awesome tek. I recently used damions 50/50 coir tek but am going to use your recipe next time once I can get my dirty mits on some poo. Im planning on using RR's pasteurization tek though as I have everything needed already/



Yea, Its easier. If you just leave your stove on the warm setting it is usually 170 degree which is perfect.

Glad I could be of help! :thumbup:

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Yea, that will work. You need to be rather sterile though.

Use a flavor injector needle. The biopsy is hard to work with if you use a 16-18 gauge needle. You can just swap out the needles pre/post cloning. I just sterilize the turkey needle in the PC with the LC fluid so it is ready to use when you take your tissue biopsy.



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    #14057633 - 03/02/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

These look very beautifull thanx for the tip i reallly appreciate it even though I dewih htrei gojoiqreghpj irtjh qurh


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    #14062482 - 03/03/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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    #14072047 - 03/05/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Used this recipe... tweaked the water content.. added earthworm castings.. pasteurized for 2 hours and I don't care about side pinning haha.. Wherever the mycelium wants to fruit is just fine with me.. frees up the top layer for the second flush..

MS Treasure Coast - Over 6 oz. first flush

     

Pinning started up all over the top layer two days later, and I can already tell they're gonna be some monsters.. Enjoy.

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No the poo isn't more prone to contams.

Actually coir is a 1 flush wonder. What I mean by that is I have tubs w/ straight poo get 7 flushes before going green. Coir, you'll be lucky to get 2. So in this sense it is coir that is more prone.







Hey Bro I was reading through this again and noticed this..

then I was like whaaaa? :horly:  :ugh:

I eaisly get to 3 flushes in the house(5 was my record indoors) , losing generally 1 oz per flush til the third, then it drops like a rock and stays around that lower output for a couple more flushes, by the time I got it to 7 flushes(Outside grow) it was only a shroom or two.  Don't knock the coir:grrr:


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    #14072455 - 03/05/11 07:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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No the poo isn't more prone to contams.

Actually coir is a 1 flush wonder. What I mean by that is I have tubs w/ straight poo get 7 flushes before going green. Coir, you'll be lucky to get 2. So in this sense it is coir that is more prone.







Hey Bro I was reading through this again and noticed this..

then I was like whaaaa? :horly:  :ugh:

I easily get to 3 flushes in the house(5 was my record indoors) , losing generally 1 oz per flush til the third, then it drops like a rock and stays around that lower output for a couple more flushes, by the time I got it to 7 flushes(Outside grow) it was only a shroom or two.  Don't knock the coir:grrr:



Well I was exaggerating a bit at the time :laugh2:

I just had to run a batch of nearly straight coir with just 1 lb. of poo instead of two per tub.

It worked out fine. I just got rid of it after the 3rd. That is my only real complain. If you keep the temps down it doesn't contaminate; it just  takes a lot more flushes to get all the use out of it.

I like the power punch that poo has to offer. :smile:

I know coir is ok; I just like Poo. It is superior.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Wirenut]
    #14072463 - 03/05/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Used this recipe... tweaked the water content.. added earthworm castings.. pasteurized for 2 hours and I don't care about side pinning haha.. Wherever the mycelium wants to fruit is just fine with me.. frees up the top layer for the second flush..

MS Treasure Coast - Over 6 oz. first flush

     

Pinning started up all over the top layer two days later, and I can already tell they're gonna be some monsters.. Enjoy.

Nice recipe, Prof. P  :thumbup:




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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14204091 - 03/29/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Exactly!  :thumbup:  :mushroom2:


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    #14220495 - 04/01/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you Professor! I will be using this method very soon. I appreciate you posting this!!

I will start a log on the forum...I'll be sure to notify you and include a link to your tek.

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    #14220795 - 04/01/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Could you make Verm/coir/dehydrated poo/straw cakes and fruit them in a SGFC?


Oh and hydrate them with half strength coffee mixed with the poo?


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14220876 - 04/01/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Thank you Professor! I will be using this method very soon. I appreciate you posting this!!

I will start a log on the forum...I'll be sure to notify you and include a link to your tek.

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Thanks, I'll be looking forward to checking it out :wink:


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Could you make Verm/coir/dehydrated poo/straw cakes and fruit them in a SGFC?


Oh and hydrate them with half strength coffee mixed with the poo?





Yea the coffee water is a good idea, but you have to pour it over the dehydrated poo while it is boiling to expand it, and I would just skip the straw,

Straw can be a pain to work with in cakes, unless you use a coffee grinder on it....

I would also stay around 10% with the dehydrated poo. It is potent stuff.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Derpy Whooves]
    #16005376 - 03/27/12 07:47 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I am currently a noobie in the mushroom world i currently have pf tek on the go but looking into bulk substrates for after, i was wondering what steps would i do after this? if you could give me a quick few steps it would be greatly appreciated, even just a few points or areas to look at would be great thanks :laugh:


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Re: Prof_P's Bulk Poo Tek [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #16811230 - 09/08/12 01:30 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Does the monotub have to be clear?


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Re: Prof_P's Bulk Poo Tek [Re: puffpuff23]
    #16811248 - 09/08/12 01:35 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

You'd probably get a faster response from ProfP if you pm'd him on the Myco-Tek boards (he owns Myco-Tek).

But no, monotubs don't have to be clear, it just makes them easier to light if they are.


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    #16811259 - 09/08/12 01:37 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Clear tub is not necessary for a monotub.  Its just preferred because you can look inand see the state of colonization with out opening it up and exposing it to FAE.  Also it allows light to shine in which is very important for growth.


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Re: Prof_P's Bulk Poo Tek [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #17250852 - 11/20/12 05:45 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Cheers prof, i shall definitely be trying this tek very soon. you da man!


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Re: Prof_P's Bulk Poo Tek [Re: darkwing]
    #17252514 - 11/20/12 01:09 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Prof_P's Bulk Poo Tek [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #27086531 - 12/12/20 11:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

This might sound like a dumbassfuckin noob question but do I want field aged manure or fresh manure? Do I just need to find a horse stable or where do u guys go  about finding the right horse poo?


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Re: Prof_P's Bulk Poo Tek [Re: KingCloyster]
    #27086701 - 12/13/20 04:49 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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This might sound like a dumbassfuckin noob question but do I want field aged manure or fresh manure? Do I just need to find a horse stable or where do u guys go  about finding the right horse poo?




You don't want fresh, but if that's all you can get then you need to leave it out for a good while to compost and dry out. The trouble with stables is that their muck heap could contain a fair bit of manure from the stalls, which will have spent it's time getting pissed on.

The best if the manure that's sat out in the field for a while.


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    #27522277 - 10/28/21 11:47 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Very helpful!


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