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hamloaf
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Last night I pasteurized 24 quarts of field aged horse manure in spawn bags, 6 quarts per bag in my AA steroclaves in my room while lurking the shroomery at 150F for about the same amonut of time.
I was shooting for 90 minutes, the duration of time I usually pasteurize everything at but I'm sure the substrate stayed above 130 for at least an extra half an hour while it was chillin on the shelf to cool.
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Estario
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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: hamloaf]
#13616260 - 12/11/10 06:17 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Very nice. Thank you for sharing.
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Wirenut
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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Estario]
#13674615 - 12/23/10 06:50 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tried the recipe last night and I'm impressed..
Normally I use straight dung and, even mixing in verm and gypsum, it's clumpy as all hell..
You gotta break it up with a fork and it just doesn't come out right...
The addition of coir made my day.. I can still have hpoo with the nice fluffy consistency..
I know there's plenty of poo/coir recipes but this is the one I used with the addition of 5% earthworm castings (great additive.. huge yield increase)..
Anyway just wanted to give out some kudos this morning..
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hamloaf
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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Wirenut]
#13674630 - 12/23/10 06:59 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes this is a bad-ass substrate recipe. You liked the way that coir added to the consistency of the manure, did't you? If you liked that consistency, try adding equal parts wheat straw to this recipe.
The addition of wheat straw makes the substrate the texture of a buoyant sponge. The further varying diet seems to even further and more fully speed colonization. I'm sure that the buoyant spongy texture has an immense role at the colonization rates as well.
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Wirenut
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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: hamloaf]
#13674635 - 12/23/10 07:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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So 1:1:1 poo:coir:straw?
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hamloaf
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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Wirenut]
#13674685 - 12/23/10 07:23 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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You can do that
Let's say all together we have 24 quarts of coir/manure/whatever substrate. I'll prepare 24 quarts of wheat straw to be added to that mix of the manure/coir/whatever.
Adding wheat straw at those amounts gives us 2 times the amount of substrate materials for just a few pennies more and the time it takes to pasteurize the straw. Adding wheat straw adds a stellar consistency as well as a more varied diet for our mushroom mycelium, you can't beat shit like that.
Be sure to shred your wheat straw into fine 1-2 inch pieces for the best consistency added to your manure/coir substrates.
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ProfessorPinHead
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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: hamloaf]
#13674782 - 12/23/10 08:12 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the recognition!
The fluffiness this recipe allows for the substrate 1. increases colonization time due to increased aeration & 2. allows a better pin-set due again to increased aeration.
The proof is in the pudding, as you have seen with the Peener trilogy. For that grow I used this exact substrate recipe
I used to use these little mini bales .... I used to pick them up at Micheal's Crafts.
They were about 5 bucks a pop, came pre-shredded, bound by wire.
There are endless possibilities of additives that can be included in this recipe for sure....
I myself don't like to deal with the straw though.... only because I have found it to be a pain to deal with if your making a lot of tubs. I don't know why but I manage to make a serious mess in the house with it every time I even look at it. 
But like I said there is definitely a great array of things such as, worm castings, spent coffee grounds, wheat straw, kelp meal, etc.,,,,,etc.,,,,,,
Skys the limit if you have the materials, time, and patience. 
I'M JUST HAPPY TO SEE THE TEK BEING PUT TO GOOD USE... any further experimenting/modifying it is encouraged. I'd love to see the results people have when adding various additives to this recipe.
Good Luck & Keep Me Posted! .......
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totenkopf
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Your always talking about 1/2 brick coir & 3.5 liters coir(~1/2brick)
Q1. But do you know in weight how much it gives ? (There's about 5 to 10 size of bricks)
Q2. And how do you calculate this 3.5 liters ? dry or wet coir ?
Q3. And the red high lighted part below give me 120%... did I miss something ?
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It should be ok but I'd get some for next time. You use a half a brick of coir. Its 7qts hpoo (~2lbs.), 3.5 liters coir(~1/2brick)
ANd yea, you want more poo. It is where all the nutes come from.
its [60/40/10/10] = {poo/coir/gypsum/verm}
What I understand of it is that poo + coir make that 100% and from that volume add a 10 more parts of verm, and a 10 parts of gypsum.
Example:
60 parts of poo 40 parts of coir =============== 100 parts X 10% = 10 parts of verm 100 parts X 10% = 10 parts of gypsum
Total 120 parts
Is it correct or I'm totally lost like a 5 years old child in the forest !!!
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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: totenkopf]
#13703062 - 12/29/10 08:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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The standard size for a brick of coir is 7 litres dry before hydration.
This weights ~0.75 pounds.
The 3.5 is referring to half of the 7 litres.
The 60/40 is referring to the percentage of poo/coir.
Say that the weight is 20 pounds dry total poo/coir combined.
the 10/10 is referring to 10% of said poo/coir number.
Sorry about the confusion. I should have explained myself better.
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just want to be part of this thread (so nice...)
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zcilag
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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: masspan]
#13703364 - 12/29/10 09:30 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sounds like I am in class...professor have you used coffee? What are your thoughts on it? With the poo being in there does it make it unnecessary?
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mycobeginner
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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: zcilag]
#13703446 - 12/29/10 09:48 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Man with that good of substrate I'd definetely make sure I got the best genetics possible from agar first nice like always my friend peener
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ProfessorPinHead
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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: zcilag]
#13703450 - 12/29/10 09:49 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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zcilag said: Sounds like I am in class...professor have you used coffee? What are your thoughts on it? With the poo being in there does it make it unnecessary?
Yea, The poo generally provides enough nutrients. Coffee grounds are known to contaminate easily. 
These were done with just coir/poo/verm/gypsum.
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Maharishi_2_U
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Coffee in ny limited experience = contams Allthough I am trying soaking in 50% diluted water.. Cool recipe prof.... BC
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totenkopf
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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Maharishi_2_U]
#13703933 - 12/30/10 12:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lucky that I've ask !!! The coir bricks i'm using weight 9 pounds dry !!!
It would had change the recipe a little bit 
Thanks for the info !
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Synd
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Quote:
ProfessorPinHead said: The standard size for a brick of coir is 7 litres dry before hydration.
This weights ~0.75 pounds.
The 3.5 is referring to half of the 7 litres.
To people reading this, check you're own brand of coir, some expand more than others. The one i use is a 'standard' brick that expands to at least 12-14 litres (while clainming on the pack that it expands to 9)
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mycobeginner
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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Synd]
#13704351 - 12/30/10 02:38 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Synd. Coir is coir and doesn't matter what brand you use it's gonna be the same.
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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: mycobeginner]
#13704393 - 12/30/10 03:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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what i mean is that not all bricks expand to the same volume. My first tub i used half a brick of coir (expecting it to expand to ~4-5 litres) and a litre of spawn giving about a 4:1 spawn ratio. I mixed it all up, put it in the tub and left it to colonise. It took almost a month to colonise and i couldnt figure out why. Then used the other half brick of coir for another tub and realised it expanded to 8-9 litres: i'd unwittingly used a 1:8 spawn ratio on the first tub 
coir easy but different brands will expand different amounts
Edited by Synd (12/30/10 03:03 AM)
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ProfessorPinHead
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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Synd]
#13704627 - 12/30/10 05:46 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is good info 
Point taken.
These are the specific bricks I use.
 eco earth zoo med coco coir.
They are 8 inches long. If you cut at the 4 inch mark it is ~3/4 of a pound.
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totenkopf
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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: totenkopf]
#13704634 - 12/30/10 05:51 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, with what you just said Synd, I think the REAL question is:
How much fully expend coir do we need into ProfessorPinhead recipe ?
If Professorpinhead is using half a brick and it give's his (example) 10 quarts for a 3.5 dry liter, and I'm also using a 3.5 dry liter and it expend to 20 quarts... we have a problem !!!! Same for the opposite : 3.5 = 5 quarts.
So maybe I miss the information but I'm not sure ProfessorPinhead answer that part : " How much FULLY EXPEND coir does it give him the 3.5 liter / half brick he's using ? "
Hey Pinhead... your not lucky hey !!!... It seem that you've became the reference about substrate a lot of pressure is on your back now !!!!
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