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Prof_P's Bulk Poo Tek * 9
    #13271608 - 09/30/10 06:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Preparation of a Perfect Bulk Substrate: The Prof_P Bulk Poo Tek

This recipe is meant to fill one clear 64 quart monotub to an approximate 4" Substrate depth.



Ingredients:


- ½ brick coir
- 2 cups pelletized gypsum
- 2 quarts COARSE verm
- 2 lbs (~7liters) field aged h-poo
- 3.75 quarts H2O (approx.)



Tools:
- 1 power drill w/ drill bit.
- 1 tape measure
- 1 five gallon bucket
- 1 butter knife
- 1 qt. mason jar


Preparation:

Step one : Measure to 4 inches, which is approximately the middle, of the brick of coir and scratch a line dividing it into two equal halves.  Take your drill and drive a hole directly through the center of mass of the brick along with another above and beneath it. Now press the brick up against the edge of your sink and snap it in half. It should break easily with its center of mass drilled out.
Peel ½ of the brick of coco coir apart into thin layers with a butter knife, it comes apart very easily; then break into little pieces. Put them in the bucket.




Step two: Add 1 quart of hot H2O to the bucket and wait a couple minutes.



Step three: Break up the coir with your hands. Make sure to get all the fine chunks broken up really well.



Step four: The coir should be fluffed up and damp at this point but not wet. Now you want to add your 2 cups of gypsum and distribute it evenly throughout the bucket of coir. Make sure to mix deep.

Note: It would not matter if you added the gypsum last, gypsum is water soluble, but I prefer to add it as the second ingredient in order to make sure to avoid clumping.



Step five: Add the verm. Mix well



Step six: Add the poo. Mix well




Step seven (The lucky step): Add 2 more quarts of H2O. Mix well. Make sure to dig your fingers all the way to the bottom of the bucket to get any dry areas hydrated.



Next add the final ¾ quart H2O in ¼ quart increments checking for field capacity along the way. 




Now your ready to pasteurize and spawn. 


Here is a link to a video guide of this tek,.....



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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: k00laid]
    #13576907 - 12/03/10 12:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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k00laid said:
how do you personally pastuerize?



I use 5 counter top roasters w/ 4 bags per roaster.

That allows me to prep 5 tubs a day.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13576930 - 12/03/10 12:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

No the poo isn't more prone to contams.

Actually coir is a 1 flush wonder. What I mean by that is I have tubs w/ straight poo get 7 flushes before going green. Coir, you'll be lucky to get 2. So in this sense it is coir that is more prone.

Gypsum is there more to aerate the substrate than provide nutrition.

The nutrition comes primarily from the Poo. 

This is why I use 1/2 & 1/2 . It allows me to get more flushes because of the addition of the poo. Just a greater overall yield.



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Here is a Pic of a tub of PE done with this recipe that just started pinning.



I have a zero % contam rate w/ this recipe.




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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Mr Mycoman]
    #13576985 - 12/03/10 12:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)



This is a more expensive model.

They have cheaper one at walmart.

You need the 18qt. one so you can fit the 4 bags.

Keep in mind its a steam bath method.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: k00laid]
    #13577502 - 12/03/10 02:46 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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k00laid said:
and just regular oven bags?



Those fucking things are a nightmare. I want nothing to do with them ever again as long as I live.

I use spawn bags.

Zip tied closed.

lay a patch of waterproof tape (the one that looks like a band-aide)

I then draw a dot w/ a permanent marker. and cut a small hole w/ the tip of a boning knife in order to check the temp with (for this you'll need a meat thermometer).

Note: !!!!!! Be very careful not to poke a hole in the bottom of the oven bag while checking the temp. The bag will get completely saturated if you do and it sux hardcore.

As for the oven bags,.... You can use them but I would double bag them and be very careful as they love to split.

Then you set the temp to 250 and a timer for 15 min.

At this point they should be floating in the water inside your roaster with the lid on the roaster.

Check it every 15min. ..... It takes about an hour to reach 150-60 degrees.

Don't go over 250 though because the temp can sky rocket and you don't want to sterilize your sub by passing 185 degree F.

once you hit 150-60 degrees simply turn the heat down to 150 and set your timer for 60-120 min.

I do 120 though.

At the end of the time slap another piece of tape over the holes where you monitored your temp and toss the bags in a clean bucket w/ a lid clicked closed to cool overnight.

Make sure you clean the bucket w/ soapy water first and dry it w/ a clean rag or paper towel.

The next day your ready to spawn.

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Hamurabi said:
Why do you bold the "coarse"?
I have a coir/verm bulk colonising now and it's with fine verm.




You can use the fine verm but the coarse is better,.... as Jokefox said it proved a better aeration.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: jokefox]
    #13577551 - 12/03/10 02:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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jokefox said:
one thing i do for perfect water level in substrate
is i will throw all my sub into a pillow case
then dunk that in water a few times to get it all soaked
then i ring out the pillow case , just keep twisting and pushing it into a tight ball
then let it sit for a little while , hasent failed me yet

if you can squeeze water out of the "bundle" then its to wet



Yea, that's an excellent method for small batch prep.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: jokefox]
    #13577591 - 12/03/10 03:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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small batch prep..?

what are you calling your prep here , big money prep?

i can do 4 times the amount you can with your way
by doing it my way

and after you have the pillow cases with the substrate just throw them in a setup with a
steamer thing ,

it doesent get easier then pillow case to steaming pasteurization





You don't want to use the pillowcase method for the amount of substrate I prepare.

I prepare about 40 lbs. (pre-hydration) a day. Thats a lot of wringing man.

I'm not knocking the method at all. Its a good method. I'm just saying for the amount that I grow it would take a lot longer to do it that way. I prep 5 buckets a day with this tek.

Way too much wringing. Instead of wringing I just add H2O a lil at a time until I hit the correct moisture content.

Thats the key to the tittle of this thread  "BULK"


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: jokefox]
    #13577670 - 12/03/10 03:19 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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jokefox said:
ahhh
i see what your saying

instead of guessing the water ,
just know exactly how much water you need

smart man
thats why ILU<3



Every single thing I do is measured and premeditated. I usually like to think before making the next move. 

I just love math, physics, and chemistry Science and thats just how things wound up in my life. :shrug: I'm a weirdo. But it serves its benefit.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: anonjon]
    #13577928 - 12/03/10 04:01 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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anonjon said:
Quote:

ProfessorPinHead said:
Every single thing I do is measured and premeditated. I usually like to think before making the next move. 





So when do you find the time to do drugs?




Oh,.. I stopped measuring that ages ago.

Doling out .2 on the scale every-time you want to smoke a bowl gets rather tiresome.

I'm getting too old for other drugs, can only handle cubes a time or two per year at this point, and that trend is decreasing linearly vs time.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: THEHATTER]
    #13580884 - 12/04/10 09:21 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

19" x8 inches, with a 4 1/2" side gusset

exactly like the ones at the bottom of the page; regular not large.

I actually cut the bag bellow the filter patch after zip-tying so I don't use the patches for subs. I use the same bags for grain spawn too.

I don't know why countertop roasters arent more popular?


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Mr Mycoman]
    #13583234 - 12/04/10 08:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yea, thats the best part once the temp balances you can set it and forget it, literally :smile:

Good to hear I could help.

Which one did you get?


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Mr Mycoman]
    #13583267 - 12/04/10 08:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It should be ok but I'd get some for next time. You use a half a brick of coir. Its 7qts hpoo (~2lbs.), 3.5 liters coir(~1/2brick)

ANd yea, you want more poo. It is where all the nutes come from.

its [60/40/10/10] = {poo/coir/gypsum/verm}


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Mr Mycoman]
    #13583322 - 12/04/10 08:28 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Mr Mycoman said:
Quote:

jokefox said:


pretty sure hes high right now
That's too damn funny!!! LMAO!


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Mr Mycoman]
    #13583366 - 12/04/10 08:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

WELL I WORK FOR CALVIN KLEIN. I'M A MODEL.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Mr Mycoman]
    #13586113 - 12/05/10 03:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Damion's is good. But I though it was a straight coir tek. That would explain the use of the bucket for pasteurizing.

I'm not familiar with the recipe in the tek though. I just use this one.

I've heard great shit about it though. Should prolly read it sometime soon.
 

I've had problems in the past pasteurizing poo w/ the bucket method. Thats why I use the roasters.

Your recipe sounds perfect though. Should work well.

I'd skip the straw though.

Straw tends to contaminate quickly in mono's from my experience.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: k00laid]
    #13586287 - 12/05/10 03:51 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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ya RR is adamant about saying the bucket pasteurization is not actually pasteurization but only slightly "cooking" the coir to make it easier for the myc to digest.


if i had a remote thermometer i'd like to see how the temps stay inside the bucket.

but i just do it and it works soooo..


but i hear it doesnt work with poo. i've yet to try poo yet.
even though i can probably get ridiculous amounts of it.

(midwest)



I've measured them with a thermometer w/ a wire. They stay up there. the problem is it actually can get too high. With poo if it gets sterilized you may have issues.

Coir on the other hand is very clean.

These B+ kids I knew didn't even pasteurize their coir at all. Just hydrate and spawn and never got contaminated.

I would definitely not do this myself. But coir is def a very clean substrate.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: k00laid]
    #13586327 - 12/05/10 03:59 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I know! These kids used to do it all the time.... 100% No contams.

Until one day tough.

The whole fuckin' place went green. They lost everything.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: k00laid]
    #13586347 - 12/05/10 04:03 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I only do after multiple flushes.

Since I don't take more than 2 flushes before replacing the substrate with a fresh one I never see it these days either.


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: Mr Mycoman]
    #13586383 - 12/05/10 04:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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I didn't try the Damion bucket method, decided not to risk a whole batch. I usually like to do a lot of experimenting but no real reason to do that when my pasteurizer is cooking anyway. The Damion5050 recipe is just 1 brick coir and 2 qts verm. Simple as it gets

I did skip the straw. The texture came out almost like coir so I'm happy with it so far. It looks nice and rich with a nice fluffy texture. It's gonna work just fine.

I tried the bucket method with some casing a day or two ago and I think if I had put enough in there it would have worked. I put the remote probe into it and it was between 170 and 140 for almost 30 minutes. If there was more subs in it, it would have stayed hot longer so it may have worked......MM




It should be ok. Yea, coir and verm are super clean. But poo is packed w/ nutes.


I SHOULD MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR TO EVERYONE!


I :heart: POO!


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Re: Pictoral Guide to a Perfect Bulk Substrate [Re: anonjon]
    #13586736 - 12/05/10 05:32 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

:cuteshit: PERCIVAL THE POO PROTECTOR

"stay the fuck away from my poo" -
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