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Does anyone understand Timewave zero?
    #13261969 - 09/28/10 09:56 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Does anyone understand this or Terence's methods to coming to timewave zero or how 2012 even came up? I keep looking and I keep failing to see the method to the scale.


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Re: Does anyone understand Timewave zero? [Re: Seanfu]
    #13261984 - 09/28/10 10:00 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I think you have to throw the I Ching until you reach the brink of insanity before you can start to understand it.


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Re: Does anyone understand Timewave zero? [Re: muistrue]
    #13262003 - 09/28/10 10:03 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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I think you have to throw the I Ching until you reach the brink of insanity before you can start to understand it.




So the method was subjective?


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Re: Does anyone understand Timewave zero? [Re: Seanfu]
    #13262008 - 09/28/10 10:05 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I'm pretty sure that's how he did it but don't take my word for it. It's been at least ten years since I read that book.


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Re: Does anyone understand Timewave zero? [Re: muistrue]
    #13262038 - 09/28/10 10:11 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon#Timewave_zero_and_the_I_Ching
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Timewave zero and the I Ching

A screenshot of the Timewave Zero software"Timewave zero" is a numerological formula that purports to calculate the ebb and flow of "novelty", defined as increase in the universe's interconnectedness, or organised complexity,[66] over time. According to Terence McKenna, who conceived the idea over several years in the early-mid 1970s while using psilocybin mushrooms and DMT, the universe has a teleological attractor at the end of time that increases interconnectedness, eventually reaching a singularity of infinite complexity in 2012, at which point anything and everything imaginable will occur simultaneously.[66]

McKenna expressed "novelty" in a computer program, which purportedly produces a waveform known as timewave zero or the timewave. Based on McKenna's interpretation of the King Wen sequence of the I Ching,[45] the graph appears to show great periods of novelty corresponding with major shifts in humanity's biological and cultural evolution. He believed the events of any given time are recursively related to the events of other times, and chose the atomic bombing of Hiroshima as the basis for calculating his end date in November 2012. When he later discovered this date's proximity to the end of the 13th b'ak'tun of the Maya calendar, he revised his hypothesis so that the two dates matched.[67]

The first edition of The Invisible Landscape refers to 2012 (as the year, not a specific day) only twice. McKenna originally considered it an incidental observation that his and José Argüelles dates matched, a sign of the end date "being programmed into our unconscious".[page needed] It was only in 1983, with the publication of Sharer's revised table of date correlations in the 4th edition of Morley's The Ancient Maya, that each became convinced that December 21, 2012, had significant meaning. McKenna subsequently peppered this specific date throughout the second, 1993 edition of The Invisible Landscape.[2]




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Re: Does anyone understand Timewave zero? [Re: Austrip] * 1
    #13262987 - 09/29/10 05:11 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I was wondering about the math that generated the (timewave) graph just the other day...

And what does the timewave graph show for September 11, 2001? If there is a huge spike, that'd be interesting!

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Re: Does anyone understand Timewave zero? [Re: dwpineal]
    #13264188 - 09/29/10 11:29 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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And what does the timewave graph show for September 11, 2001? If there is a huge spike, that'd be interesting!




http://www.levity.com/eschaton/future.html

Can't really tell about September 11-- it looks like there's a big spike there though.

Anyhow, it looks all downhill from here.

Wonder what happened in Jan-Feb 2008? Or Jan-Feb 2004?


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Re: Does anyone understand Timewave zero? [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #13264518 - 09/29/10 12:27 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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And what does the timewave graph show for September 11, 2001? If there is a huge spike, that'd be interesting!




http://www.levity.com/eschaton/future.html

Can't really tell about September 11-- it looks like there's a big spike there though.

Anyhow, it looks all downhill from here.

Wonder what happened in Jan-Feb 2008? Or Jan-Feb 2004?




There are elections maybe? Precursors if nothing else. Do not know beyond that.


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Re: Does anyone understand Timewave zero? [Re: Seanfu]
    #13264599 - 09/29/10 12:44 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

What happened June 9, 1996 that caused the large increase in novelty I wonder.

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Re: Does anyone understand Timewave zero? [Re: pkplayer524]
    #13265138 - 09/29/10 02:26 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

It's a crock of shit.  It's about as accurate as your local newspaper's horoscopes.  I love Terence, but whenever he would start talking about this, I skip the lecture.


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Re: Does anyone understand Timewave zero? [Re: joemolloy]
    #15627543 - 01/06/12 08:57 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

It does seem to go hand in hand with the "boundery disolving nature" of psychedelics... he says reality get less and less defined, more ambiguious...

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Re: Does anyone understand Timewave zero? [Re: shamantic]
    #15628188 - 01/06/12 11:36 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Think he was tripping

Random estimates, no better than any other predictor of the future

Reminds me of 'guessing'


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Re: Does anyone understand Timewave zero? [Re: HarryL]
    #15628238 - 01/06/12 11:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I understood it alittle I think. He caculated the time it took between each major event in our history to occur. So if their was a big earthquake in 1980 and then again in 1990 and once again in 2000. He would say that it took about 10 years for each to occur so he would probably predict the next one for 2010. Probably a bad example but this is kind of how I see the timewave zero working. I remember being into this a while back and I even did my own investgations, searched through our history etc.


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Re: Does anyone understand Timewave zero? [Re: zZZz]
    #15628257 - 01/06/12 11:59 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Man, the posts on the shroomery are timeless. I had no idea this thread was a year ago.


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Re: Does anyone understand Timewave zero? [Re: zZZz]
    #15628757 - 01/07/12 03:43 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

From what I understand he seems to have been able to allign alot of the dips into novelty with majoy events in history..

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Re: Does anyone understand Timewave zero? [Re: shamantic]
    #15628834 - 01/07/12 05:05 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

The problem with the Timewave graphs is that "significant events" and "novelty" is completely arbitrary and qualitatively undefined.

My Uncle John built a sweet tree house. Unfortunately it harbored termites which spread to the entire forest. The ruined land was owned by a political radical. He blamed the EPA for the termite infestation, and in turn retaliated by shooting JFK.

NOW YOU KNOW.

The novelty factor was the ability for the termites to reproduce at twice the normal speed, due to genetic mutation - but we think the novelty is the JFK shooting just because it appears significant.


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Re: Does anyone understand Timewave zero? [Re: joemolloy]
    #15628849 - 01/07/12 05:20 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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It's a crock of shit.  It's about as accurate as your local newspaper's horoscopes.  I love Terence, but whenever he would start talking about this, I skip the lecture.




Agreed. The Invisible Landscape was good for like the first 70 pages, then I wanted to throw it against a goddamn wall.


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Re: Does anyone understand Timewave zero? [Re: zZZz]
    #15628868 - 01/07/12 05:40 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I understood it alittle I think. He caculated the time it took between each major event in our history to occur. So if their was a big earthquake in 1980 and then again in 1990 and once again in 2000. He would say that it took about 10 years for each to occur so he would probably predict the next one for 2010. etc.




Yeah, that's pretty much the mechanism he used...except he didn't limit the intervals to LIKE events.  One time it could be a ship sinking (Titanic) and the next time its the Chicago fires.

The obvious fallacy in this is that a significant "event" happened (its HISTORY, so I use past tense) practically every week, so what event you chose of significance and the interval between is totally subjective.  Sadly, the whole thing is bogus, and one of the few things that detracts from an otherwise sterling legacy of intelligent expression and novel thinking.

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Re: Does anyone understand Timewave zero? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #15628880 - 01/07/12 05:59 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Being that variations on a theme are the mainstay of fiction, I think the crux of the matter would be the Wen sequence corresponding with King Wenscelas or a paranoid take on "The New King".

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