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GrOwZLotZ
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PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!!
#13260187 - 09/28/10 04:32 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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i was just wondering what your experience was like if it was good or bad and why do you thing it went that way ? what was the basic way you tried to cultivate?
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Mad_Hatter2004
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: GrOwZLotZ]
#13260217 - 09/28/10 04:39 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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My experiences with PF tek were great!
I never got below 5 dry grams per cake and averaged around 10-11 dry grams per cake.
Best yield off 2 flushes of 12 cakes was around 8.5-9 dry ounces.
I think it went good because I took the time to read and do research before jumping into things (like a lot of noobs seem to do these days) and also because of my sterile procedures and of course,all the great help I got BITD from fellow shroomerites.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
#13260232 - 09/28/10 04:42 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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if you follow the PF-Tek and use it in conjunction with a properly built shotgun FC you will have great results. The only way i could explain someone getting bad results using this method is due to incompetence.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: rave420]
#13260252 - 09/28/10 04:47 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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rave420 said: if you follow the PF-Tek and use it in conjunction with a properly built shotgun FC you will have great results. The only way i could explain someone getting bad results using this method is due to incompetence.
Agreed. Plus it's a great way to get to know the life cycle of the fungus.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Doc_T]
#13260279 - 09/28/10 04:51 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I love cakes. You can do it without a PC with a 100% success rate if you are careful and follow the tek. I have been growing for almost 2 years and still love the PF tek. I just recently started trying tubs and I'm using pf cakes as spawn in those! (So far I've had good results using pf cakes for spawn)
I have done a lot of pf cakes and I can count on one hand the number of crumby producing cakes I've had. Almost every cake I have ever made has produced 3-4 g dry at the least.
The only bad experience I ever had with the pf tek was due to buying spores from a nonvendor. Make sure you buy from a trusted Shroomery vendor, you'll thank yourself.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: GrOwZLotZ]
#13260328 - 09/28/10 05:01 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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My friends and I have been doing cakes awhile... I'm recently going to 50/50+ casing, you know to utilize space better, make the fruits grow UP... but the pf tek is a little outdated... such as using 3.5:1 verm/brf where 2:1:1 verm/brf/water works great, and takes a lot of work out of judging field capacity, plus more food, etc.. ymmv
I'd suggest "dunk and roll" and using a "shotgun FC" (search for those) to make sure you got plenty of fresh air while retaining humidity.. get a gauge and dial it in... make sure your conditions are perfect... just keep reading and talking to people and you should be fine...
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GrOwZLotZ
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: purple1969haze]
#13260365 - 09/28/10 05:10 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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thats really cool guys .. i hope to hear more about this tek
HAS ANY ONE DONE FULL GRAIN ORGANIC BROWN RICE? vs. OBRF? flour
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Wirenut]
#13260390 - 09/28/10 05:16 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well first time for me so... So far so good. I am guessing the MS inoculation is what is holding me beck. Almost 4 weeks now and one I just birthed on last Sunday, 2 more tomorrow, and 1 more next Monday. That is out of 12 jars. The rest are catching up and 2 did nothing. So I reinoculated them a few days ago and I "think" I see something, still to soon. BTW, 2 different types of spores 6 and 6.
Other than that all is going great. I followed the RR BRF video (PFtek + SGFT) to a tee and even though some of mine are late colonizers not one has been contaminated. That said the one I forgot to put a dry verm layer on it was the 1st to colonize, and was contam free.
My baby is now 1 day old.
I think it is a pretty fool proof way to start with some mushrooms and learn while you read up and go bulk substrate, whether it be straw or WBS or any other way.
This is such a fun hobby and by golly, if any thing it makes you clean your house more.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: GrOwZLotZ]
#13260501 - 09/28/10 05:34 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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anunnakian said: This is such a fun hobby and by golly, if any thing it makes you clean your house more.
Lmao tell me about it... My ol' lady's OCD and I get lysol'd every other day atleast..
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GrOwZLotZ said: HAS ANY ONE DONE FULL GRAIN ORGANIC BROWN RICE? vs. OBRF? flour
Alright so I'm fixin' to bless your game lol.. I take organic brown rice from the bulk foods section of my grocery store, then walk it right over to the commercial burr coffee grinder next to all the "fancy coffee", set it to expresso and feed it in... no sense biffin up my grinder... Stick it to the man!
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Wirenut]
#13260569 - 09/28/10 05:45 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wirenut said:
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anunnakian said: This is such a fun hobby and by golly, if any thing it makes you clean your house more.
Lmao tell me about it... My ol' lady's OCD and I get lysol'd every other day atleast..
Only other hobby I ever had like that was back in the day- I had a roommate who did meth.
I don't know about anybody else, but I usually have some cakes going alongside my tubs. Different times, different reasons, but pretty much all the time
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Doc_T]
#13260638 - 09/28/10 05:58 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wirenut said:
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anunnakian said: This is such a fun hobby and by golly, if any thing it makes you clean your house more.
Lmao tell me about it... My ol' lady's OCD and I get lysol'd every other day atleast..
Only other hobby I ever had like that was back in the day- I had a roommate who did meth.
Your roommate was a hobby? lol jk... She's always been like that.. it's her thing.. We grow herbs\vegetables, cook, etc... It's not a bad idea to keep a clean house.. maybe not necessary in your case, but not bad information...
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Wirenut]
#13261160 - 09/28/10 07:34 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah more jars, more beer, more bread, more dehydrating and canning of the gardens treats, not to mention the chanterelles I will find this year and what ever else that needs to be saved. Thank god for the deep freeze.
I want my Deer hanging!
I want a bigger house... 900SF sucks.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: 4runner]
#13261172 - 09/28/10 07:37 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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anunnakian said:
I want a bigger house... 900SF sucks.
I just stepped up to 780, it feels huge.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Doc_T]
#13261214 - 09/28/10 07:45 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Doc_T said:
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I want a bigger house... 900SF sucks.
I just stepped up to 780, it feels huge.
I love smaller houses.. First house was 1500sf.. it was a bitch to heat and cool.. now I live in 800sf and its always the perfect temp..
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: GrOwZLotZ]
#13261232 - 09/28/10 07:47 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cakes were fun. They were a relatively easy concept to grasp with enough reading. Having now tried WBS spawning to coir, I'd never do cakes again. However, they are still awesome and I think a good stepping stone.

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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: amenra]
#13261263 - 09/28/10 07:53 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have no storage and I live with my wife and her brother. It not only is it feels small. I lost my gaming room and random storage spot. Oh how I miss gta4 and a logitech wheel.
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Wirenut
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: 4runner]
#13261411 - 09/28/10 08:19 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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anunnakian said: Yeah more jars, more beer, more bread, more dehydrating and canning of the gardens treats, not to mention the chanterelles I will find this year and what ever else that needs to be saved. Thank god for the deep freeze.
I want my Deer hanging!
I want a bigger house... 900SF sucks.
I was in Maggie Valley (east NC - which, coincidently, used to be the biggest exporter of micah - aka vermiculite sorta)... Took a nature walk, bout a half mile and found about 50 different species of mushrooms Right on man..
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: GrOwZLotZ]
#13261444 - 09/28/10 08:23 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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GrOwZLotZ said: i was just wondering what your experience was like if it was good or bad and why do you thing it went that way ? what was the basic way you tried to cultivate?
IME cakes blow. They're only worth it if you spawn the cakes. I've gotten anywhere from 2 - 5+ g per cake. Check out my TEK in my sig for the technique. Grow using WBS, you'll thank me later.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
#13261518 - 09/28/10 08:32 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mad_Hatter2004 said:
Best yield off 2 flushes of 12 cakes was around 8.5-9 dry ounces.
A half P from 12 cakes?
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Mad_Hatter2004
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: m00nshine]
#13262748 - 09/29/10 02:03 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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m00nshine said:
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Best yield off 2 flushes of 12 cakes was around 8.5-9 dry ounces.
A half P from 12 cakes? 
Yes,after two flushes.Don't roll your eyes at me,not my fault you never mastered cakes and got more then 6g dry per cake.I was averaging 10-11 dry grams per cake per flush over 2 flushes back when I was working with some Amazon spores I acquired from Ralphster BITD.With the South American's I was averaging 7-9 grams dry per cake.
Think about it,if you got 5g dry from each cake over two flushes....
5 dry grams x 12 cakes x 2 flushes = 120g dry...almost 4.25 ounces...so how is a HP to just over a HP so far fetched
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
#13262761 - 09/29/10 02:11 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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 i found cakes to be a PITA!! and not worth it..yeah you learn but you can learn from a mono grow too..i wish i had skipped it...all these small ass jars and such i never use now....honestly...just go bulk and follow a tek to a T...get a pc...you'll be much happier with your first mono flush then cakes IMO
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
#13263375 - 09/29/10 08:21 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Whatever, I still find it very hard to believe. I'm done talking to you cake fanboys.
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purple1969haze
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: m00nshine]
#13263612 - 09/29/10 09:24 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol, fanboys. That's funny stuff.
I think it's probably a little exaggerated, especially if he's claiming it was all from multispore.
But...a few OZ from a 12 cake grow flushed out a few times is not that far fetched.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: purple1969haze]
#13263665 - 09/29/10 09:33 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wish I had skipped the cakes as well. I wasted 3mo on cakes, when I easily could have done rye to coir/verm just as easy. I got a shit ton of jars I need to find a use for now.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Malachi Constant]
#13263696 - 09/29/10 09:38 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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They make decent drinking glasses. I agree, that if you are a competent person who can follow the pf tek, and you have a PC, just go to an easier bulk tek. Find one that is well done though, because there is not as much information to be found on your own about the different bulk teks.
Overall though, the PF tek is the best for beginners. So many people have done it here, that SOMEONE is going to have an answer for whatever problem or issue you run into.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: purple1969haze]
#13263965 - 09/29/10 10:35 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cakes alone I've always been iffy about, defiantly do not produce the sort of yield everyone wants but when you spawn cakes to a lb or two of bulk substrate you can expect a couple of Oz's easily.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: HybridprX]
#13264832 - 09/29/10 01:25 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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yes but why spawn cakes when wbs is done 1-2 weeks faster...but the time your birthing pf jars to crumble and spawn, you have a colonized monotub going into fruiting.. plus you will spend as much if not more money putting together a SGFC, jars, perlite, drill bit, verm, and the like then you would on a PC (wich u use all through hobby) and a bag of grain, a dozen quart jars, coir, and a sterlite tub.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Naz]
#13265529 - 09/29/10 03:39 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just think its a good idea to start with cakes... its easy
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Wirenut]
#13265548 - 09/29/10 03:42 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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i dont want to test an isolate on a monotub to find out its a shitty fruiter.
waste of spawn and bulk substrate :/
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: GrOwZLotZ]
#13265787 - 09/29/10 04:23 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cakes are messy, labor and time intensive and take forever just to get shitty yields. Getting half pound yield from 12 cakes is not the norm. Look at all the grow logs and it is plain to see that bulk produces more in less time. Too many parrot the "start with cakes" mantra. They say cakes are easy. So is bulk or even just cased grains. I sometimes wonder if cakes are pushed on noobs as some sort of conspiracy to keep noobs from getting good results and then give up and buy from those who grow bulk.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: spock]
#13265795 - 09/29/10 04:26 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah well you know. thats just like, your opinion, man
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: k00laid]
#13265839 - 09/29/10 04:35 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is my opinion and some have really good results with cakes but read the grow logs and see if a pattern becomes evident.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: spock]
#13265848 - 09/29/10 04:37 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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confirmation bias.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: k00laid]
#13265897 - 09/29/10 04:47 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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RR's said it time and time again.If you think cakes suck and produce poorly,either you're a noob or you never really mastered the tek.
BRF substrate pound for pound is the most efficient substrate there is.
Take you cakes and spawn them to a bulk subs but make sure you take weight of cakes to weight of sub...then do some cakes a bunch that would = the weights of the cakes and bulk sub it was spawned to...if you're working with a known isolate I will almost guarantee you get similar results.
You want to not believe what I have gotten in the past,fine doesn't hurt me any.I know what I got and that's all that matters to me.Just because I don't have any grow logs on the shroomery (must have deleted them all when I left the shroomery some 4-5 years ago) doesn't mean I don;t have stacks and stacks of notebooks that I used as grow journals,where there is great detail of every grow I have ever done.I even have boxes and boxes of journals from my MJ grows over the last 15 years.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
#13265938 - 09/29/10 04:58 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mad_Hatter2004 said: I was averaging 10-11 dry grams per cake per flush over 2 flushes back when I was working with some Amazon spores I acquired from Ralphster
I'm 2 weeks in my first grow with 7 pint jars of Amazon spores from Ralphster
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Mad_Hatter2004] 1
#13265958 - 09/29/10 05:03 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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fuck cakes.
trays are actually easier.
the lids on the jars are a little harder and you have to plan your FC.
you need to be a little more sterile. Damion5050's coir tek is easy.
for everyone to go around saying starting with cakes is always best is stupid. maybe it's best for most but not all.
BRF is more expensive then grains and just not worth it
my mistake was i did not adequately research all methods and just listened when everyone was saying
cakes cakes cakes
i say once again
fuck cakes
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
#13266003 - 09/29/10 05:15 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have no doubts of your success. Eatualive is also a master of the cake. If you say BRF substrate pound for pound is the most efficient substrate there is then fine. Cakes are no easier than bulk or cased grains. Cakes are no easier than bulk or cased grains. Look at the grow logs and you will see the majority of cake grows yielding MUCH less than the majority of bulk grows. It is why it is called bulk. If bulk is no harder to do than cakes and more people have better results with bulk, then why tell noobs to start with cakes.
"RR's said it time and time again.If you think cakes suck and produce poorly,either you're a noob or you never really mastered the tek." Then why tell the noob to start there.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Pandor]
#13266020 - 09/29/10 05:20 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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 cakes only serve one purpose...testing an isolate...i dont think they were intended to be the be all end all of cultivation...for beginners it is prolly the best but beginers akes usually only afford them like 7 grams a cake at max....my first harvest from 10 cakes was like 1 oz...my first harvest from bulk....2 oz first flush 6 oz over all without dunking!! im sorry but the realizm of it is...that the only reason pf tek is so "great" is cuz most dont want to or cant afford to buy a 90 pressure cooker to do this shit right..... and explaining to your parents why you brought home a pressure cooker or blew up theres is a bitch
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Pandor]
#13266029 - 09/29/10 05:22 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pandor said: fuck cakes.
trays are actually easier.
the lids on the jars are a little harder and you have to plan your FC.
you need to be a little more sterile. Damion5050's coir tek is easy.
for everyone to go around saying starting with cakes is always best is stupid. maybe it's best for most but not all.
BRF is more expensive then grains and just not worth it
my mistake was i did not adequately research all methods and just listened when everyone was saying
cakes cakes cakes
i say once again
fuck cakes
I love you 
The shroomery pushes cakes like crack. The only good reason I could come up with as to why this is so is the fact that it's noob friendly, with less steps than spawning grains to bulk. I don't see how they're making money off of that (only other reason I could think of). Maybe it's to get people to buy half pints and substrate from vendors?
But the yields suck! So not worth the time and effort. So many times I would be hopeful that I would get a good amount and be happy, but I was let down too many times. Then I started casing my cakes, and was pleased by the yields. Then I moved on to spawning the cakes and have never looked back.
I may do another cake grow, however. I'll follow my TEK, but this time I'm going to mist the cakes more heavily and inject them with water. I'll try to do everything as well as I can just to see if I can get good results. I'm sure that afterwards I'll be kicking myself in the ass for wasting my time again. We'll see.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: m00nshine]
#13266117 - 09/29/10 05:47 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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you will be...dont inject..i tried that...it is beyond impossible to shoot water into the cakes....if your gonna try something...pc a drill tip...bore a hole in cake and stuff a straw bit in it and keep straw full of water...(you can search a tek for this here somewhere)
no what else i did that worked and wasnt sposed to...a 5 gallon fishtank bubbler into a pint jar of water inside SGFC that i changed and washed daily...worked great!! i put it right next to my cakes...kinda made em pow wow around it...immediate results!
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Naz]
#13267753 - 09/29/10 11:40 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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we push cakes cuz you can they are contam friendly. you dont lose 2 quarts of spawn and 6 quarts of substrate.
you lose a half pint.
once your sterile technique is down. go to bulk if you want
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: k00laid]
#13267905 - 09/30/10 12:29 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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thing is i dont see alot of newcomers doin one or two cakes... and honestly sterile technique is easier with grains...cuz you can use filters and silicone ports...i knock my grain up in open air with no gear on..only alch. and flame...contam rate is min to non existant...pf tek was no more easy then grains...the teks on this site dont get any easier!!! hell with a no simmer tek you cant fuck up the grain..soak rinse dry pc....gimmie a break!
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Naz]
#13267936 - 09/30/10 12:36 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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what makes you think you can't use filters and silicone ports with cakes?
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: k00laid]
#13268151 - 09/30/10 01:47 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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why would you?? again propigateing more unecissary equipment...should be promoteing agar and grains or wood not verm cakes!
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Naz]
#13268190 - 09/30/10 01:56 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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polyfil and silicone are not unnecessary equipment
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: k00laid]
#13268212 - 09/30/10 02:03 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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they are for pf cakes
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Naz]
#13268236 - 09/30/10 02:10 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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ive done grains without ports or polyfil
its better with them
so are cakes
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: k00laid]
#13269312 - 09/30/10 10:43 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Again, I think the main reason cakes are pushed is because EVERYONE has done it at least once. So when complete noobs are asking ?? even people who haven't been super cultivating for years can help. It's like a learning curve type of idea.
And when it comes to bulk, there are a million diferent teks, theories, ideas, etc. So you get a lot of people with a lot of different ideas and experiences chiming in on bulk questions.
PF Tek is straightforward and so many people have had success, why wouldn't you?
PLUS PF TEK DOESN'T NEED A PC! I can achieve what I want without one, and I'm sure so can many others. If you spawn cakes (like a lot of people have recommended), you don't even need a PC to do bulk.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: purple1969haze]
#13269583 - 09/30/10 11:40 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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purple1969haze said: PF Tek is straightforward and so many people have had success, why wouldn't you?
PLUS PF TEK DOESN'T NEED A PC! I can achieve what I want without one, and I'm sure so can many others. If you spawn cakes (like a lot of people have recommended), you don't even need a PC to do bulk.
This. If you don't own a PC and are unsure if you'll enjoy this hobby enough to continue and/or don't cook much then you're not in a rush to go buy one just to grow something you're not even be sure you enjoy growing and/or will have success with.
As opposed to PF Tek which you can find most materials around your house or get them all in one fell swoop in just one store sometimes (but fuck Walmart amirite?) Plus PF Tek, when the Tek is followed, is damn near fool proof. Sure you may loose a jar out of 5, but whats a few cents of materials?
Also, honestly, if you're not planning on selling mushrooms then a few PF Jars are most likely more than enough for personal use with a few close friends.
Plus Pf Jars make great gifts, back in the day I'd leave a few to fruit invitro, wrap them up and give them to friends for their bday or xmas. lol
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: bourndead]
#13270656 - 09/30/10 03:02 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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What everyone seems to be missing is regardless of whether you use pf-cakes, wbs, rye, agar wedges, lc in reality all you're doing is moving a active culture from one food source to a another.
A two year old could grow mushrooms using cakes and the only difference between nutrient mediums is the level of sophistication going into the grow.
Some people have fully equipped labs, some people have a pot and a jar.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: HybridprX]
#13276605 - 10/01/10 06:11 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Really like what you said hybridprx... been doing cakes off and on whenever I feel like it.. I was taught by a friend.. then I come on here and there's this artists' community with all kinds of good info.. I've got three times the pins now and a lot more knowledge... my cakes even colonize twice as fast..
I don't have a clue what id do with a half-pound of mushrooms... but if someone wants to do the pf tek to take a little trip and learn something, i'd say that's the best way to go... imho..
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Wirenut]
#13276656 - 10/01/10 06:25 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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so whats the best way to make a lot of mushrooms really fast?
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: GrOwZLotZ]
#13276671 - 10/01/10 06:28 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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GrOwZLotZ said: so whats the best way to make a lot of mushrooms really fast?
Probably the UTSE method made famous by the main man STAL himself
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: GrOwZLotZ]
#13276675 - 10/01/10 06:29 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have no idea
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: GrOwZLotZ]
#13280062 - 10/02/10 03:08 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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as i watch the mycelum grow i notice that with only the mosture in the jar and the air in the jar i can seee after a week the mycelum would like more air and mosture then whats in the jar.
So maby a jar fae and mosture increaser tool could be added and would improve growth speed
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Love11]
#13280987 - 10/02/10 07:00 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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how long did it take for your cakes to colonize how long did it take for you to realize that they were going to colonize....what did u see
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: GrOwZLotZ]
#13281186 - 10/02/10 07:56 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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We're all stars now....
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Pandor]
#13281306 - 10/02/10 08:27 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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you don't see anything at first. One day, suddenly you will notice a tiny white spec here and there that gets bigger.
The more you move your jars around by looking at them and picking them up the likelier contamination will occur. I can suggest leaving them be until they reach 100% or contaminate.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: rave420]
#13281342 - 10/02/10 08:35 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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thanks again!
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Pandor]
#13281682 - 10/02/10 09:58 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Pandor said: We're all stars now....
in the noob show
Hahahaha, the noobiful people...the noobiful peopllllle
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
#14713056 - 07/03/11 09:54 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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4 ounces is a qp. an hp is 8. a lb is 16. say word son
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: ogtripleog]
#14713268 - 07/03/11 10:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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but since im here
I found the pf tek to be a great intro to mycology and sterile procedure. I really like casing cakes and beleive it provides better yields. it just feels right having mushrooms growing from a horizontal substrate as opposed to a column.
ive since done one bulk with wbs/coir. fun, but i found it to be more labor intensive and messy. but certainly the only way to go for lager projects
on a side note. I found teaching mycology to people who don't care to know the process and just want the results is extremely frustrating.
i think this thread is inspiring me to do a pf again.
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