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Naz
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
#13262761 - 09/29/10 02:11 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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 i found cakes to be a PITA!! and not worth it..yeah you learn but you can learn from a mono grow too..i wish i had skipped it...all these small ass jars and such i never use now....honestly...just go bulk and follow a tek to a T...get a pc...you'll be much happier with your first mono flush then cakes IMO
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m00nshine
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
#13263375 - 09/29/10 08:21 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Whatever, I still find it very hard to believe. I'm done talking to you cake fanboys.
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purple1969haze
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: m00nshine]
#13263612 - 09/29/10 09:24 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol, fanboys. That's funny stuff.
I think it's probably a little exaggerated, especially if he's claiming it was all from multispore.
But...a few OZ from a 12 cake grow flushed out a few times is not that far fetched.
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Malachi Constant
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: purple1969haze]
#13263665 - 09/29/10 09:33 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wish I had skipped the cakes as well. I wasted 3mo on cakes, when I easily could have done rye to coir/verm just as easy. I got a shit ton of jars I need to find a use for now.
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purple1969haze
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Malachi Constant]
#13263696 - 09/29/10 09:38 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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They make decent drinking glasses. I agree, that if you are a competent person who can follow the pf tek, and you have a PC, just go to an easier bulk tek. Find one that is well done though, because there is not as much information to be found on your own about the different bulk teks.
Overall though, the PF tek is the best for beginners. So many people have done it here, that SOMEONE is going to have an answer for whatever problem or issue you run into.
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HybridprX
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: purple1969haze]
#13263965 - 09/29/10 10:35 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cakes alone I've always been iffy about, defiantly do not produce the sort of yield everyone wants but when you spawn cakes to a lb or two of bulk substrate you can expect a couple of Oz's easily.
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Naz
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: HybridprX]
#13264832 - 09/29/10 01:25 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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yes but why spawn cakes when wbs is done 1-2 weeks faster...but the time your birthing pf jars to crumble and spawn, you have a colonized monotub going into fruiting.. plus you will spend as much if not more money putting together a SGFC, jars, perlite, drill bit, verm, and the like then you would on a PC (wich u use all through hobby) and a bag of grain, a dozen quart jars, coir, and a sterlite tub.
Edited by Naz (09/29/10 01:28 PM)
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Wirenut
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Naz]
#13265529 - 09/29/10 03:39 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just think its a good idea to start with cakes... its easy
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k00laid
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Wirenut]
#13265548 - 09/29/10 03:42 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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i dont want to test an isolate on a monotub to find out its a shitty fruiter.
waste of spawn and bulk substrate :/
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spock
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: GrOwZLotZ]
#13265787 - 09/29/10 04:23 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cakes are messy, labor and time intensive and take forever just to get shitty yields. Getting half pound yield from 12 cakes is not the norm. Look at all the grow logs and it is plain to see that bulk produces more in less time. Too many parrot the "start with cakes" mantra. They say cakes are easy. So is bulk or even just cased grains. I sometimes wonder if cakes are pushed on noobs as some sort of conspiracy to keep noobs from getting good results and then give up and buy from those who grow bulk.
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k00laid
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: spock]
#13265795 - 09/29/10 04:26 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah well you know. thats just like, your opinion, man
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spock
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: k00laid]
#13265839 - 09/29/10 04:35 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is my opinion and some have really good results with cakes but read the grow logs and see if a pattern becomes evident.
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k00laid
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: spock]
#13265848 - 09/29/10 04:37 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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confirmation bias.
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Mad_Hatter2004
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: k00laid]
#13265897 - 09/29/10 04:47 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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RR's said it time and time again.If you think cakes suck and produce poorly,either you're a noob or you never really mastered the tek.
BRF substrate pound for pound is the most efficient substrate there is.
Take you cakes and spawn them to a bulk subs but make sure you take weight of cakes to weight of sub...then do some cakes a bunch that would = the weights of the cakes and bulk sub it was spawned to...if you're working with a known isolate I will almost guarantee you get similar results.
You want to not believe what I have gotten in the past,fine doesn't hurt me any.I know what I got and that's all that matters to me.Just because I don't have any grow logs on the shroomery (must have deleted them all when I left the shroomery some 4-5 years ago) doesn't mean I don;t have stacks and stacks of notebooks that I used as grow journals,where there is great detail of every grow I have ever done.I even have boxes and boxes of journals from my MJ grows over the last 15 years.
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
#13265938 - 09/29/10 04:58 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mad_Hatter2004 said: I was averaging 10-11 dry grams per cake per flush over 2 flushes back when I was working with some Amazon spores I acquired from Ralphster
I'm 2 weeks in my first grow with 7 pint jars of Amazon spores from Ralphster
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Mad_Hatter2004] 1
#13265958 - 09/29/10 05:03 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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fuck cakes.
trays are actually easier.
the lids on the jars are a little harder and you have to plan your FC.
you need to be a little more sterile. Damion5050's coir tek is easy.
for everyone to go around saying starting with cakes is always best is stupid. maybe it's best for most but not all.
BRF is more expensive then grains and just not worth it
my mistake was i did not adequately research all methods and just listened when everyone was saying
cakes cakes cakes
i say once again
fuck cakes
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spock
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Mad_Hatter2004]
#13266003 - 09/29/10 05:15 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have no doubts of your success. Eatualive is also a master of the cake. If you say BRF substrate pound for pound is the most efficient substrate there is then fine. Cakes are no easier than bulk or cased grains. Cakes are no easier than bulk or cased grains. Look at the grow logs and you will see the majority of cake grows yielding MUCH less than the majority of bulk grows. It is why it is called bulk. If bulk is no harder to do than cakes and more people have better results with bulk, then why tell noobs to start with cakes.
"RR's said it time and time again.If you think cakes suck and produce poorly,either you're a noob or you never really mastered the tek." Then why tell the noob to start there.
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Naz
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Pandor]
#13266020 - 09/29/10 05:20 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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 cakes only serve one purpose...testing an isolate...i dont think they were intended to be the be all end all of cultivation...for beginners it is prolly the best but beginers akes usually only afford them like 7 grams a cake at max....my first harvest from 10 cakes was like 1 oz...my first harvest from bulk....2 oz first flush 6 oz over all without dunking!! im sorry but the realizm of it is...that the only reason pf tek is so "great" is cuz most dont want to or cant afford to buy a 90 pressure cooker to do this shit right..... and explaining to your parents why you brought home a pressure cooker or blew up theres is a bitch
Edited by Naz (09/29/10 05:22 PM)
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m00nshine
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: Pandor]
#13266029 - 09/29/10 05:22 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pandor said: fuck cakes.
trays are actually easier.
the lids on the jars are a little harder and you have to plan your FC.
you need to be a little more sterile. Damion5050's coir tek is easy.
for everyone to go around saying starting with cakes is always best is stupid. maybe it's best for most but not all.
BRF is more expensive then grains and just not worth it
my mistake was i did not adequately research all methods and just listened when everyone was saying
cakes cakes cakes
i say once again
fuck cakes
I love you 
The shroomery pushes cakes like crack. The only good reason I could come up with as to why this is so is the fact that it's noob friendly, with less steps than spawning grains to bulk. I don't see how they're making money off of that (only other reason I could think of). Maybe it's to get people to buy half pints and substrate from vendors?
But the yields suck! So not worth the time and effort. So many times I would be hopeful that I would get a good amount and be happy, but I was let down too many times. Then I started casing my cakes, and was pleased by the yields. Then I moved on to spawning the cakes and have never looked back.
I may do another cake grow, however. I'll follow my TEK, but this time I'm going to mist the cakes more heavily and inject them with water. I'll try to do everything as well as I can just to see if I can get good results. I'm sure that afterwards I'll be kicking myself in the ass for wasting my time again. We'll see.
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Naz
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Re: PF tek YOUR experience!!! good or bad AND WHY!! [Re: m00nshine]
#13266117 - 09/29/10 05:47 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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you will be...dont inject..i tried that...it is beyond impossible to shoot water into the cakes....if your gonna try something...pc a drill tip...bore a hole in cake and stuff a straw bit in it and keep straw full of water...(you can search a tek for this here somewhere)
no what else i did that worked and wasnt sposed to...a 5 gallon fishtank bubbler into a pint jar of water inside SGFC that i changed and washed daily...worked great!! i put it right next to my cakes...kinda made em pow wow around it...immediate results!
Edited by Naz (09/29/10 05:49 PM)
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