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Re: Can you monotub pans? [Re: libertaire]
    #13223561 - 09/20/10 07:20 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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ProfessorPinHead said:I've successfully grown Pans many times and my advice is this:

1. don't sterilize your poo!!! Pan are delicate and contaminate very easily. Pasteurize and spawn to it. You be glad you did. Just use the right spawn.




I'm curious what exact role beneficial bacteria play in the growth of fungi.  I've heard of fungi/bacteria playing a role in the optimal growth of plants, but I've never heard of their interactions with other fungi/bacteria.  Would definitely be interested in knowing the science behind it.

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3. Only go w/ a 2 layers and don't mix. & NO! don't go over 2inches!




I'm curious what you're basing this advice on, since I've heard that mixing is always faster.  I mean, think about it.  Which will finish colonizing first, something with a layer of spawn touching a layer of substrate, or something with a million points of spawn touching a million points of substrate?  Based on what I've read, I would say the later is the wiser option.

Anyone who has grown pans have any input on this?

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4. Mist only when you layer w/ casing and not again after that




are casing layers really necessary for pans?  Not a criticism of your technique, I'm genuinely curious.  Also, if you're doing a monotub, why mist?




You don't want to mix the spawn because you don't want to break any of the grains which would drastically increase the likely hood for contamination. Bird seed is more likely to do this than rye. when it is at 100% you case it. Then fruit it. no other need for misting.

And I have grown pans and know how so it don't matter to me how you do it. I have no problems w/ the species so its all good. Best of luck though.

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Re: Can you monotub pans? [Re: libertaire]
    #13223575 - 09/20/10 07:22 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

"are casing layers really necessary for pans?"

Hey libertaire, this is one that I have read elsewhere.

This is hardly proof, but I do believe that two issues
that seem to come up fairly constantly are poo and casing.

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Re: Can you monotub pans? [Re: Javadog]
    #13223603 - 09/20/10 07:30 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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"are casing layers really necessary for pans?"

Hey libertaire, this is one that I have read elsewhere.

This is hardly proof, but I do believe that two issues
that seem to come up fairly constantly are poo and casing.

JD




let me clarify...

you need to case pans w/ no deeper than a 1/4 inch casing layer @ a ~2inch substrate depth.

this is getting redundant:facepalm3:

and no you can't use fuckin' coir w/ pans!!!!!!!!!! They won't fruit.

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Re: Can you monotub pans? [Re: Javadog]
    #13223615 - 09/20/10 07:33 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Prof. Pinhead lives up to his name again
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Very cool thread other than PPH's egotistical BS...
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Re: Can you monotub pans? [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13223655 - 09/20/10 07:42 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Javadog said:
"are casing layers really necessary for pans?"

Hey libertaire, this is one that I have read elsewhere.

This is hardly proof, but I do believe that two issues
that seem to come up fairly constantly are poo and casing.

JD




let me clarify...

you need to case pans w/ no deeper than a 1/4 inch casing layer @ a ~2inch substrate depth.

this is getting redundant:facepalm3:

and no you can't use fuckin' coir w/ pans!!!!!!!!!! They won't fruit.




Bro, I was just supporting your suggestion that casings
are necessary for Pan-Cyans.

...and for the record, yes, I had heard that thin casings
are best...but for the life of me I could not defend the
position with anything more than hearsay.  Anyone else?

Take care,

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Re: Can you monotub pans? [Re: Javadog]
    #13223730 - 09/20/10 07:55 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

A casing layer is not necessary but it is recommended. I have fruited pans without one but I like to use a casing layer because pans are more sensitive to drying out. I use a 1/4 of an inch of verm.

You can also use coir if you mix it with manure.

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Re: Can you monotub pans? [Re: Cloneufc]
    #13223753 - 09/20/10 08:00 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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A casing layer is not necessary but it is recommended. I have fruited pans without one but I like to use a casing layer because pans are more sensitive to drying out. I use a 1/4 of an inch of verm.

You can also use coir if you mix it with manure.




w/o the casing the yields suck. Don't you find it counter productive to fruit pans straight? -especially since they already yield very poorly to begin with....

You should try 50/50 peat/verm.... I used to do straight verm but they seem to like the mix a lil' better....

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Re: Can you monotub pans? [Re: Cloneufc]
    #13223759 - 09/20/10 08:01 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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You can also use coir if you mix it with manure.




Of course, here you are referring to the substrate and
not the casing, right?


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Re: Can you monotub pans? [Re: Javadog]
    #13223796 - 09/20/10 08:12 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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You can also use coir if you mix it with manure.




Of course, here you are referring to the substrate and
not the casing, right?




You def could cut it w/ coir. But pans are gonna yield more and be more potent if you go straight poo. Why go any other way?


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Re: Can you monotub pans? [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13224497 - 09/20/10 10:15 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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You can also use coir if you mix it with manure.




Of course, here you are referring to the substrate and
not the casing, right?




You def could cut it w/ coir. But pans are gonna yield more and be more potent if you go straight poo. Why go any other way?






Agreed.

The approach as far as I have computed is to spawn to
poo+verm+gyp (coffee?  ...for Pans?) and then a casing with
peat+verm+gyp+lime.

You are all adding a concern for FAE during fruiting.

That is what I am going to do.

I decided that chance was telling me to try cloneufc's
idea for making spawn when I read his post a half hour
after I spawned a huge grain sack of APE to poo+verm+gyp
and had had an extra couple of quarts left over.

Otherwise, my approach is fairly standard.

Right now, I have only an old LC I do not trust, so while
the poo jars are sterilized and ready for the experiment
I will be testing the LC on agar.

We will see.

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Re: Can you monotub pans? [Re: Javadog]
    #13225256 - 09/21/10 12:52 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Sounds good, amigo. I should be starting as soon as I get my agar prepped and some other things together.




Please post a ref to the new thread here!

JD




For sure. I'll get a nice little log going for sure. I'll make a step by step style semi-instructional w/ all the feedback I get from you guys so that it'll help other people w/ pans.


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Re: Can you monotub pans? [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13225499 - 09/21/10 03:03 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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and no you can't use fuckin' coir w/ pans!!!!!!!!!! They won't fruit.



You obviously haven't used 3/4 coco + 1/4 BRF, or have used coco as a casing for Pans.  They will fruit that way. 
FWIW the Pan Hawaiian from SW was originally grown that way from it's wild spore print collected on Oahu.

For monotub I would suggest- Try 1/3 straw chopped to 1.5", 1/3 worm castings, and 1/3 coco coir. Use castings or BRF+coco as spawn if you don't like grain.  Case with .25" coco.


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Re: Can you monotub pans? [Re: FilamentousFungi]
    #13226374 - 09/21/10 10:29 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Well, considering p. cubensis is a dung lover, and they grow just fine on coir, I don't see why coir would be an issue with pans.  It'd be worth a shot at least.  I mean, I've seen someone get a wood lover to fruit off of coir, so I think anything is possible.

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Re: Can you monotub pans? [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #13228460 - 09/21/10 07:04 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Cloneufc said:
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You can also use coir if you mix it with manure.




Of course, here you are referring to the substrate and
not the casing, right?




You def could cut it w/ coir. But pans are gonna yield more and be more potent if you go straight poo. Why go any other way?







Just use verm to case... Then you don't have to worry about pH. You should first try and get a feel for the species as they are not much but mildly different from what you are used to.

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Re: Can you monotub pans? [Re: CaptainAhab]
    #13257431 - 09/28/10 02:20 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Sounds good, amigo. I should be starting as soon as I get my agar prepped and some other things together.




Please post a ref to the new thread here!

JD




For sure. I'll get a nice little log going for sure. I'll make a step by step style semi-instructional w/ all the feedback I get from you guys so that it'll help other people w/ pans.




New thread on Panaeolus cultivation:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13249652

I will try and do a grow log after I'm done with my project, but I don't know when that'll be.


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