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shadowplay


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Does reality exist? 1
#13256573 - 09/27/10 10:11 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Everyone seems to have a different idea of what reality is. But then some people say that reality is what you make it. I don't believe this. But at the same time, I have a pretty negative view of my reality, and what do ya know? My reality sucks. Is this because I think it sucks? Or is this why I think it sucks, becuase it really does suck? Discuss!!
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Re: Does reality exist? [Re: shadowplay]
#13256662 - 09/27/10 10:28 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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shadowplay said: Everyone seems to have a different idea of what reality is. But then some people say that reality is what you make it. I don't believe this. But at the same time, I have a pretty negative view of my reality, and what do ya know? My reality sucks. Is this because I think it sucks? Or is this why I think it sucks, becuase it really does suck? Discuss!!
It seems a trivial thing to determine that reality exists. Are their things? Yep, so reality exists.
I don't understand your question as to your reality sucking. Of course you think it sucks because you've determined it sucks. The only other thing I could interpret this question to be is questioning whether you believe it sucks because its objective naturer is sucky, however; as these terms are wildly impercise and subjective and you've not defined them, and answer is not possible.
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g00ru
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Re: Does reality exist? [Re: shadowplay]
#13256918 - 09/27/10 11:26 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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It sucks because you think it sucks, imo. If your attention is always going towards sucky thoughts, then sucky things are more likely to manifest in your life.
And yes, reality does in fact exist, I feel confident in that much at least.
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circastes
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Re: Does reality exist? [Re: g00ru]
#13257027 - 09/28/10 12:00 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Reality is just the opposite of fantasy. It refers to things that happen when you're not reading a book. Sometimes these things are important, sometimes they are not, sometimes they are important to one person and not to another. But there is no special place you can go where you hit THE baseline and are suddenly 'in' reality. I repeat: THERE IS NO BASELINE! What you see is mostly what you're brain is doing. The rest is who knows what - scientists don't know, don't bother asking them. Particles? Waves? Well both are an invention of the apparatus you're using, and before that, are simply a model that behaves in a similar way to the phenomena observed, most of the time. We don't have answers, but what exactly is the problem? You're concerned about some concept called reality? Are you waiting for something to just slap you in the face and tell you to pay attention? Is that reality? Is there something out there floating in space called reality? That's starting to sound a bit like God. Is 'reality' just another name for the Christian God with brain damage such that he has no personality? A bunch of physical laws amounting to Nature by some horrific accident? Read Eddington, or Schroedinger, or pretty much anyone with a clue, and they'll tell you there are no laws but just models that work according to laws, which we use to manipulate physical matter and we get it right, but that doesn't mean the physical matter IS the model. What's left to call reality? Maybe you can think of some other things... fear? You can't show a person God, you can't show a person reality. Just like you can't show someone anything you're just thinking.
There's some kind of something that appears to be happening and may or may not disappear when we're not looking at it according to studies of 'physical matter', studies which were wrong about almost everything up until a hundred years ago, but now at least admit they're undecided.
I personally think it's up to us. Sure, we can't walk through walls, but what's important in life is our decision to make. We can even decide life isn't important and kill millions, if not ourselves. Is life shit? Maybe you just feel shit. Is life great? Maybe you just feel great.
But go ahead and worship Reality if you wish. Just remember all you're doing is clinging in a new, stealthy way.
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Re: Does reality exist? [Re: circastes]
#13257525 - 09/28/10 03:31 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Idealism vs. Materialism. Either answer I believe requires what Kant referred to as a rational hope. He of course used this to describe the belief in God, but I think it can be applied to any number of things we trust but cannot "know". For example, I hold that it is a rational hope to believe that reality exists beyond my own mind since I tend to agree more with a materialistic explanation. Since this cannot be known objectively however, it may well remain nothing more than a hope although a rational one.
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Re: Does reality exist? [Re: shadowplay]
#13257775 - 09/28/10 06:57 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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shadowplay said: Everyone seems to have a different idea of what reality is. But then some people say that reality is what you make it. I don't believe this. But at the same time, I have a pretty negative view of my reality, and what do ya know? My reality sucks. Is this because I think it sucks? Or is this why I think it sucks, becuase it really does suck? Discuss!!
Sounds like a chicken and egg thing. It originally sucked (nurture) and you are programmed with suck now and perpetuate it as a basic program.
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spectralis


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why not say 'what you see is entrirely what the brain is doing'? Our representation of physical reality can melt, dissolve or rearrange (dreams). It's always incidental that what we see exists.
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Re: Does reality exist? [Re: spectralis]
#13258075 - 09/28/10 08:45 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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spectralis said: why not say 'what you see is entrirely what the brain is doing'? Our representation of physical reality can melt, dissolve or rearrange (dreams). It's always incidental that what we see exists.
That's true, reminds me of when I first read about how we don't directly see something, but our brain's representation of it. Light goes into our eyes, then the brain processes the information, then we see that information. Makes me wonder if the world is really the way as we see it.
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Re: Does reality exist? [Re: shadowplay]
#13258823 - 09/28/10 11:57 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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shadowplay said: Everyone seems to have a different idea of what reality is. But then some people say that reality is what you make it. I don't believe this. But at the same time, I have a pretty negative view of my reality, and what do ya know? My reality sucks. Is this because I think it sucks? Or is this why I think it sucks, becuase it really does suck? Discuss!!
Reaity isn't what you make it because by definition that is not reality
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g00ru
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you mean, by definition that's not consensual reality. I don't think there is a clear agreed upon definition for reality, except for most people's assumption that it begins and ends with the material world.
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What do you mean by "reality"? What do you mean by "exist"?
If you get pinched on the arm, you will feel pain.
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learningtofly
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Re: Does reality exist? [Re: NetDiver]
#13258883 - 09/28/10 12:10 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said: What do you mean by "reality"? What do you mean by "exist"?
If you get pinched on the arm, you will feel pain.
Not necessarily.
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Re: Does reality exist? [Re: NetDiver]
#13258886 - 09/28/10 12:11 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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You think thats reality you're existing?

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Re: Does reality exist? [Re: I AM SWIM]
#13258970 - 09/28/10 12:33 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Does reality exist? [Re: shadowplay]
#13259010 - 09/28/10 12:43 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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shadowplay said: Everyone seems to have a different idea of what reality is. But then some people say that reality is what you make it. I don't believe this. But at the same time, I have a pretty negative view of my reality, and what do ya know? My reality sucks. Is this because I think it sucks? Or is this why I think it sucks, because it really does suck? Discuss!!
It is too late to change some things. Thus they are here to stay for real. Other things may be changes so they don't become real in that sense that they will not bother you. Only you know what is what.
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Makes me wonder if the world is really the way as we see it.
What does that mean? Seriously?
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spectralis


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I think he means when we look out at the world, our limited senses don't see the microwaves that heat the pizza etc and would be suprised if we could sense it all.
Edited by spectralis (09/28/10 03:23 PM)
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Re: Does reality exist? [Re: spectralis]
#13259650 - 09/28/10 02:42 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also, translucent/ transparent brick walls / human skulls that the radio waves must travel through to get to the TV / radio. It really would be suprising
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bigmike7104
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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Makes me wonder if the world is really the way as we see it.
What does that mean? Seriously?
Because the brain gets information from the light that goes into our eyes, then we see what our brain processed. It just got me wondering if maybe the brain wasn't 100 percent accurate at processing this information, which would mean reality or the world around us would look at least somewhat different from the way we see it. This is the way optical illusions happen, our brain can't make sense of the whole thing, so if like reality was just one big illusion. I don't know it was just a thought, nothing important.
-------------------- Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines
Edited by bigmike7104 (09/28/10 03:20 PM)
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shadowplay


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Sorry about that first post not making sense. I was drunk.
This is something I think about, and I'd love to stay and discuss it now that I'm sober, but I really need to stop spending so much time on the internet...
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