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[MT] Researcher: Meth decline not linked to campaign
    #13256279 - 09/27/10 09:12 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Researcher: Meth decline not linked to campaign
September 27, 2010 - klewtv.com

BILLINGS - A new study concludes that a multimillion-dollar advertising campaign to deter youths from trying methamphetamines has failed to speed up a long-standing decline in the drug's use.

Economics researcher D. Mark Anderson of the University of Washington said that abuse of the drug already was on the decline because of more aggressive law enforcement before the high-profile Montana Meth Project began in 2005.

Identical programs have since been launched in seven other states: Arizona, Idaho, Illinois, Wyoming, Colorado, Hawaii and Georgia.

Using billboards and other advertisements that link meth abuse to teen prostitution, crime, self-injury and death, the campaign has been trumpeted as a success by many politicians and law enforcement officials.

It was started by software billionaire Tom Siebel and has cost about $50 million to date, including $13 million in Montana, said Nitsa Zuppas, executive director of the Siebel Foundation. Funding has come from both private and government sources.

But Anderson's study in the September issue of the Journal of Health Economics calls into question whether the advertising money is being well spent.

Anderson compared Montana meth usage trends between 1999 and 2009 with trends in neighboring states and the nation.

"When I control for the fact that meth has not only been decreasing in Montana over a long time period but also pretty much everywhere else, I find no effect from the project," he said.

That conclusion attracted quick criticism from campaign supporters, including former Montana U.S. Attorney Bill Mercer, who said arrests of meth dealers held steady through most of the last decade until the ad campaign reduced demand for the drug.

Montana Meth Project director Bill Slaughter faulted Anderson's conclusions and said Anderson had failed to consider drops in meth-related crime and workplace use of the drug by adults.

"(Anderson) takes a couple of points of comparison and concludes the meth project has not had an impression," Slaughter said.

Supporters also argued that the decline in meth abuse has accelerated since the campaign was launched. Between 1999 and 2005, the number of youths reporting they had used meth fell 39 percent. Between 2005 and 2009, the drop was 63 percent.

However, a closer examination reveals that the change in percentages was in part a function of the number of youths taking meth: As that number got lower, the same pace of decline yielded more a more dramatic percentage drop. But the actual change was identical in both time periods.

From 1999 to 2005, the percentage of Montana youths reporting meth use fell from 13.5 percent to 8.3 percent — a 5.2 percent change. From 2005 to 2009, it fell to 3.1 percent — another 5.2 percent change.

Anderson said he used the same data referenced by Slaughter to reach his conclusions, the biennial Youth Risk Behavior Survey from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The strides in prevention touted by the Meth Project's supporters, he said, do not stand up from a statistical standpoint.

"If I had found the meth project had an effect, that's what would have been reported," he said. "I just wanted to know if this anti-drug campaign worked and I found that it didn't."

Similar concerns have been raised about a drug prevention program that began in the 1980s, Drug Abuse Resistance and Education. Also known as DARE, it is now employed by schools across the country despite multiple studies over the past two decades that said it yielded little or no benefit.

The findings on the Montana Meth Project also are in line with work done by an Australian researcher. David Erceg-Hurn, a doctoral candidate in clinical psychology at the University of Western Australia said in 2008 that the Meth Project had distorted its successes by emphasizing positive numbers.

Erceg-Hurn found that after six months of exposure to the ads, there was an increase in the percentage of teens who said using methamphetamine was not a risky behavior or who strongly approved of regular meth use.

An advertising expert who reviewed Anderson's study said it appeared to be sound. Henry Saffer, a research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research, said the comparison of meth use between states provided a "good empirical framework" to conclude the campaign was ineffective.

Saffer added that "viscerally negative" messages like those used by the Meth Project can be strong deterrents. But he added that the ads must be seen by their target audience to work.

"Just because there are ads, doesn't mean the project will sell," said Saffer, who is also a professor of economics at Kean University in New Jersey.

Zuppas, with the Siebel foundation, said surveys done by the Meth Project show the campaign is reaching the vast majority of residents in states where the ads have run for at least two years.

A survey from Idaho in late 2009 revealed 85 percent of youths and adults had seen or heard an anti-meth ad during the last month, she said.

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Re: [MT] Researcher: Meth decline not linked to campaign [Re: veggie]
    #13256325 - 09/27/10 09:22 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'm no expert but it seems to me a major part of the decline is just better real life education about meth. Back when my own parents were doing meth in the 90's there wasn't a lot of information about it telling them it was worst then any other drug so they didn't hesitate to try it. Now just about everyone knows someone or knows someone who knows someone that has battled a meth addiction.

Personally I knew not to try it because I know I've got a real addictive personality and have seen many family member's addicted to it. Back when most of them started it was just very new.

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Re: [MT] Researcher: Meth decline not linked to campaign [Re: Mycjunky]
    #13256452 - 09/27/10 09:48 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Back when my own parents were doing meth in the 90's there wasn't a lot of information about it telling them it was worst then any other drug so they didn't hesitate to try it.




Care to elaborate on this "worst then any other drug" comment?

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Re: [MT] Researcher: Meth decline not linked to campaign [Re: Ojom]
    #13256554 - 09/27/10 10:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

By worst then other drugs I mean the usual recreation drugs they were doing marijuana, mushrooms, lsd basically. I suppose addictive would have been a better word then worst. That was about all my parents said they could get regularly not a lot of synthetics like today. I mean imagine being with a friend you regularly do any of those with and they break out some crystal say it's this great thing and you haven't heard much about it you would probably group it in to the same category as those really.

O yea forgot coke they did there fair share of that but the availability and price of meth in a rural area was much more attractive.

Also I wasn't saying meth is worst then any other drug just kind of a general statement worst then the average drug.

Edited by Mycjunky (09/27/10 10:14 PM)

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Re: [MT] Researcher: Meth decline not linked to campaign [Re: Mycjunky]
    #13257592 - 09/28/10 04:24 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Montana Meth Project director Bill Slaughter faulted Anderson's conclusions and said Anderson had failed to consider drops in meth-related crime and workplace use of the drug by adults.




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"If I had found the meth project had an effect, that's what would have been reported," he said. "I just wanted to know if this anti-drug campaign worked and I found that it didn't."




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Similar concerns have been raised about a drug prevention program that began in the 1980s, Drug Abuse Resistance and Education. Also known as DARE, it is now employed by schools across the country despite multiple studies over the past two decades that said it yielded little or no benefit.

The findings on the Montana Meth Project also are in line with work done by an Australian researcher. David Erceg-Hurn, a doctoral candidate in clinical psychology at the University of Western Australia said in 2008 that the Meth Project had distorted its successes by emphasizing positive numbers.

Erceg-Hurn found that after six months of exposure to the ads, there was an increase in the percentage of teens who said using methamphetamine was not a risky behavior or who strongly approved of regular meth use.

An advertising expert who reviewed Anderson's study said it appeared to be sound. Henry Saffer, a research associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research, said the comparison of meth use between states provided a "good empirical framework" to conclude the campaign was ineffective.




It never ceases to amaze me how prohibitionists often sell their snake oil in the face of damming evidence.
Then again, if we had evidence-based policies, then harm-reduction programs would be the norm.


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Re: [MT] Researcher: Meth decline not linked to campaign [Re: Ojom]
    #13258101 - 09/28/10 08:50 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Back when my own parents were doing meth in the 90's there wasn't a lot of information about it telling them it was worst then any other drug so they didn't hesitate to try it.




Care to elaborate on this "worst then any other drug" comment?




Oh fuck you, seriously?

It causes brain damaged comprable to alzheimers, even from the initial dose. It causes severe anorexia with continued use. It is powerfully physically addictive, moreso than even artificial opiates like oxycontin. Withdrawal symptoms last weeks.


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Re: [MT] Researcher: Meth decline not linked to campaign [Re: blujay]
    #13260026 - 09/28/10 04:01 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Where do you come up with this SHIT buddy? Granted meth isn't the best thing in the world for you, but you sound like you should just go get a fucking job with the DEA spin doctors department.

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Re: [MT] Researcher: Meth decline not linked to campaign [Re: nomadjames]
    #13260293 - 09/28/10 04:54 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

meth made me kill my dog. FUcked up my performance in bed so the wife wont even smoke with me anymore. Shits real evil.


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Re: [MT] Researcher: Meth decline not linked to campaign [Re: 2859558484]
    #13262763 - 09/29/10 02:12 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: [MT] Researcher: Meth decline not linked to campaign [Re: nomadjames]
    #13263086 - 09/29/10 06:24 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Where do you come up with this SHIT buddy? Granted meth isn't the best thing in the world for you, but you sound like you should just go get a fucking job with the DEA spin doctors department.




It's scientific fact? Repeated meth use causes brain damage and anorexia, it's measurable?

Where do you get the idea that the brain scans are a lie? Have you never seen someone suffering of anorexia? Someone who has been grinding their teeth uncontrollably? Awake for 48+ hours?

I'm not saying other drugs are not dangerous, but meth is so particularly insidious it very much needs to remain illegal. Drug task forces should more or less have the primary job of stopping meth producers, and that's about how far their job should extend.


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Re: [MT] Researcher: Meth decline not linked to campaign [Re: blujay]
    #13263253 - 09/29/10 07:41 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

wait, i thought you get brain damage to the extent comparable to alzheimers from initial dosing?

mixing up your facts?

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Re: [MT] Researcher: Meth decline not linked to campaign [Re: akira_akuma]
    #13263961 - 09/29/10 10:34 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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wait, i thought you get brain damage to the extent comparable to alzheimers from initial dosing?

mixing up your facts?




Each dose causes an individually insignifigant amount of irreversible brain damage. You do it a number of times and you're putting swiss cheese up there.

How the fuck can you argue pro-meth. Get out man.


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Re: [MT] Researcher: Meth decline not linked to campaign [Re: blujay]
    #13264082 - 09/29/10 11:01 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm not saying other drugs are not dangerous, but meth is so particularly insidious it very much needs to remain illegal. Drug task forces should more or less have the primary job of stopping meth producers, and that's about how far their job should extend.




Blujay, please read this link:  http://www.strike-the-root.com/61/victor/victor1.html

The author gives a very good argument on why even though meth is an insidious compound, it should be legalized. The fact of the matter is that prohibition of this substance adds to the harm it produces. In fact, one could even argue that it needs to be legalized (i.e. regulated) because it is dangerous.

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We know certain things for sure.  If meth was no longer illegal:

1. All dangerous clandestine meth labs in residential neighborhoods would close;

2. All dangerous street gangs would be out of the meth business;

3. Every dime currently spent on meth prohibition could be spent on real crime; [27]

4. Meth addicts would have no legal disincentive to seek help;

5. The manufacture of meth would be safe and produce a consistent product; and

6. Toxic waste from meth production would be safely disposed. 





Meth has been around since the 1940s. Why are there only meth zombies now?


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Re: [MT] Researcher: Meth decline not linked to campaign [Re: blujay]
    #13264249 - 09/29/10 11:42 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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wait, i thought you get brain damage to the extent comparable to alzheimers from initial dosing?

mixing up your facts?




Each dose causes an individually insignifigant amount of irreversible brain damage. You do it a number of times and you're putting swiss cheese up there.

How the fuck can you argue pro-meth. Get out man.



i didn't argue pro-meth.

you are being pejorative in slating pro-argument against opinion.

and you know what else... i couldn't agree more that meth is a fucked up substance that is not verifiably useful to use even recreationally. as it does fuck with shit pretty hardcore... (dopamine is only the most touchy bitch-mistress we have for our brains) but to advocate mis-information is not my cup of tea. nor is advocating for stricter legislation or militaristic action on anything... ANYTHING, even pedos and christians. NOTHING.

call me anarchist.

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    #13264361 - 09/29/10 12:01 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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blujay said:
I'm not saying other drugs are not dangerous, but meth is so particularly insidious it very much needs to remain illegal. Drug task forces should more or less have the primary job of stopping meth producers, and that's about how far their job should extend.




Blujay, please read this link:  http://www.strike-the-root.com/61/victor/victor1.html

The author gives a very good argument on why even though meth is an insidious compound, it should be legalized. The fact of the matter is that prohibition of this substance adds to the harm it produces. In fact, one could even argue that it needs to be legalized (i.e. regulated) because it is dangerous.

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We know certain things for sure.  If meth was no longer illegal:

1. All dangerous clandestine meth labs in residential neighborhoods would close;

2. All dangerous street gangs would be out of the meth business;

3. Every dime currently spent on meth prohibition could be spent on real crime; [27]

4. Meth addicts would have no legal disincentive to seek help;

5. The manufacture of meth would be safe and produce a consistent product; and

6. Toxic waste from meth production would be safely disposed. 





Meth has been around since the 1940s. Why are there only meth zombies now?




Good point, but I still think making it in your kitchen and distributing to to other people should be illegal for the same reason you can't just open up a pretzel stand without a liscence. I should have said that- specifically the individual production of meth needs to be illegal. Obviously I am against any prohibition, and manufacture under controlled circumstances would be a major improvement.

But who wants to work for a company that makes meth? How do you sell that? Nobody would want to carry it. (despite the hypocrisy in many pharma-meths being pretty bad, too)


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Re: [MT] Researcher: Meth decline not linked to campaign [Re: blujay]
    #13264379 - 09/29/10 12:04 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

it is illegal.... do you want daily checks from your local authority to dispell any would-be meth crungers.

(yes, i used a led zeppelin made-up word...)

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Re: [MT] Researcher: Meth decline not linked to campaign [Re: blujay]
    #13264482 - 09/29/10 12:22 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Good point, but I still think making it in your kitchen and distributing to to other people should be illegal for the same reason you can't just open up a pretzel stand without a liscence. I should have said that- specifically the individual production of meth needs to be illegal. Obviously I am against any prohibition, and manufacture under controlled circumstances would be a major improvement.

But who wants to work for a company that makes meth? How do you sell that? Nobody would want to carry it. (despite the hypocrisy in many pharma-meths being pretty bad, too)




Spot on - making it at home should be illegal for the same reason you can't make certain things (like TNT) in your home. The simple thing would be to require people to have a license to produce it, and strict zoning laws on where it can be produced : The logical basis behind this would be the risk of explosion, toxic waste, and purity. If it were legal, then most people would have no incentive to make it at home anyway. I don't brew my own beer and wine, because although I could, i trust other people could do it better and cheaper.

Despite the distinction between "hard and soft drugs" being shaky, I can see a point to it here. I think there are some drugs in which the harm is acceptable for them to be produced and sold over the counter: marijuana, alcohol, tobacco, ecstasy, shrooms, salvia, etc. These drugs need minimal harm reduction strategies; the rest may need stricter controls.

Other drugs need certain harm reduction strategies. I've always argued that if heroin can be produced at 10 cents a hit, it should be subsidized and sold for 10 cents a hit for addicts. This is because people will pay ANY price to get it, and if the price is low it gives them far less incentive to steal, rob, prostitute themselves, etc. And it would not encourage them to do more heroin, because price isn't a factor when it comes to their use.

So who would make the meth? I am guessing it wouldn't be sold commercially and over the counter. I think a pharma company might be contracted to make it cheaply so addicts can use it without creating the mess that is a byproduct of prohibition. There are companies that make drugs for the lethal injection, so I dont think making meth would be too big of a moral dilemma.

The bottom line is that there are always going to be drugs, and people will take them, so that means the best thing for society is to try to increase the benefit and reduce the harm.

The best way to reduce drug use is open, honest, education, which is impossible with the propaganda that comes with prohibition. The shining light in this mess are sites like erowid.

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Re: [MT] Researcher: Meth decline not linked to campaign [Re: Green_T]
    #13269483 - 09/30/10 11:21 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

METH IS BAD! BUT DONT FORGET TO EAT YOUR AMPHETAMINE PILLS WITH YOUR TOASTER STRUTTLE EACH MORNING!!! god we suck at critical thinking. :facepalm:


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