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 Malachi Constant
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 Penis Envy potency 
#13252979 - 09/27/10 10:20 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's a shitty day, nothing to do, and my friends just called me to inquire about a quarter of mushrooms they just acquired. I know the source they got it from, so I am sure they are great. I myself, just plucked 23g of fresh Penis Envy. I want to trip with them. I can guess that they'll be eating less than 4g. I want to be somewhat on the same level, I don't want to have a boring time while they geek out, but in the same breath I don't want to be completely fucked for a mind when they're just cheesin' out a little.
I eat 4g, and that usually gives me a pretty damn good experience. How would 20g of wet Penis Envy compare to 4 grams of any other dried cube?
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IDK
never ate wet thangs
but i thank its like 10g wet is like 1g dried
but IDK
sounds like a 20gram wet trip would be less intense than 4g dried of anythang
only cuz of the thang
but ive had some trips where a half an 8th dried was even more intense than an 8th dried. so IDK
SO MANY THANGS
so many thangs
just lots of thangs that do thangs
i guess it all just depends on many thangs, and so there really is no certainty when it comes to these thangs,
just do thangs and 
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Math? 20X.9 (90%water content) x=18 (Roughly 18 grams is water) which equates to 2 grams *roughly* dried. IDK anything about penis, but I would say it would be a mild trip.
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: misos]
#13253085 - 09/27/10 10:49 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've had PEs blow me the fuck away before.
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: misos]
#13253098 - 09/27/10 10:52 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gotta agree with everyone here, it wont be a 4 gram experience that's for sure. If what they claim about them is true, it should be about a 3 gram experience or so.
I'm interested in hearing about Oak Ridge or Transkie doses, and how hard people have tripped from them compared to regular strains (yes i've read through the entire OG oak ridge thread). Got both prints so i'll find out in a month or so, but you know how curiosity goes 
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fuck it. i'm eating 23g wet and .5 gram of mutants/aborts I have dry...
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respect the peen and he will treat you well.
i eat 4 gs dry of the peen.
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: k00laid]
#13253336 - 09/27/10 11:46 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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i've never been more excited to put multiple dicks in my mouth
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penis.
be sure to have some hormone enriched female plant ovaries (mj) on hand.
they go well with the peen
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: k00laid]
#13253439 - 09/27/10 12:01 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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can't smoke the gang brotha, but I do have some JWH sprayed herbals 
oh and its storming like crazy today. i can't wait!
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I find 2.5g dry PE is easily as strong as an 8th of "regular" cubes.
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: gornyhuy]
#13253774 - 09/27/10 01:10 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Especially on an empty stomach ground up in lemon or cranberry juice. The onset is very very fast.
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: gornyhuy]
#13253956 - 09/27/10 01:47 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I find 2.5g dry PE is easily as strong as an 8th of "regular" cubes.
I concur.
My usual cube dose is 3-4g in tea. That gives me a pretty heavy buzz, but nothing uncontrollable. I've eaten 2g of PE that put me on the moon though. Easily as strong or stronger than a 3.5g dose of "normal" cubensis.
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: Boozie]
#13254006 - 09/27/10 01:55 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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You guys are gettin' me all excited about these. I've never grown them. Much different to grow than regular cubies?? Besides not printing easily??
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: misos]
#13254063 - 09/27/10 02:09 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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They can be a little more temperamental than your usual cubes, but overall they're not that much different. PE is notorious for taking its sweet time pinning and maturing though.
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: Boozie]
#13255495 - 09/27/10 06:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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all ive noticed is they take longer.
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: k00laid]
#13258001 - 09/28/10 08:22 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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WOW. that was the most horrifying/amazing experience I have ever had on psychedelics. My peak left me curled up on my friends bathroom floor begging for help, and talking in what sounded like tongues. I couldn't stand or walk, I was freaking the fuck out. I didn't know what my girlfriend was but I knew I needed her... I needed a smack in the face to rattle me back to reality. My friends said I was asking questions like "What is dead, am is god? What is record?" I had forgotten what I had eaten and felt like an asshole. I can usually handle psychedelics but this literally put me on my ass. I ate 23g wet, and 1g of dried mutants and pins.
After my peak I peeled myself off the bathroom floor and smoked some K2 and popped a few valerian. I had the amazing visual trip... I have never seen anything like it. I stared into the mirror and everything turned bright and chromatic and started warping. Faces were stretching, colors were melting into shit, my size and depth perception would get really narrow looking and high definition, and then go back wide again. I would stop and be in tears laughing with the things I was seeing. I had some beautiful revelations and great conversations amongst some great open minded people, some sober, some tripping nuts.
there is so much more to say, maybe I will type it up later.
respect the peni. 
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Wet mushrooms also have more psilocyn vs. dried, which IME makes the trip stronger. What should have been a moderate ~28g dose of normal cubes, freshly picked, put me on my ass in such a prompt fashion. It was a very wonderful trip, all positive, but my god I don't believe I've ever tripped quite as hard as that. The closest was a 4.3g dried pins dose I took at the beach. I'm convinced wet is more potent than dry.
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Quote:
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Gotta agree with everyone here, it wont be a 4 gram experience that's for sure. If what they claim about them is true, it should be about a 3 gram experience or so.
I'm interested in hearing about Oak Ridge or Transkie doses, and how hard people have tripped from them compared to regular strains (yes i've read through the entire OG oak ridge thread). Got both prints so i'll find out in a month or so, but you know how curiosity goes
Oak ridge are definitely on par with PE IME. I've taken the equivalent of 1-2 grams dried of OR and been SPUNIONED off the surface of the earth.
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doesn't this belong in the strain thread?
not to be a thread nazi or anything...
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If the thread were about cultivation, I would suppose it would be in the strain thread.... nazi  
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: wellage]
#13258772 - 09/28/10 11:46 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oak ridge are definitely on par with PE IME. I've taken the equivalent of 1-2 grams dried of OR and been SPUNIONED off the surface of the earth.
Sweet 
The strain thread pisses me off, I personally like the individual posts, where people discuss their experiences in depth about 'said strain'.
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Quote:
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wellage said:
Oak ridge are definitely on par with PE IME. I've taken the equivalent of 1-2 grams dried of OR and been SPUNIONED off the surface of the earth.
Sweet
The strain thread pisses me off, I personally like the individual posts, where people discuss their experiences in depth about 'said strain'.
I LOVE the strain thread. 400 noobs asking which strain syringe to buy when they don't know the species they're growing gets old...
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I always had fun answering those, and still usually reply to posts that have 0 replies. After I reply (in the 0 posts threads) they usually get some more replies. It's very easy just not to read them if you don't like the subject matter.
The strain thread is a jumbled mess of useless replies, generally consisting of a "cube is a cube". Sad because I have to fish through endless pages to get to what I want (which is rarely there). I just use the search function and look at old posts from before 05, they usually have what i'm looking for, and more thoughtful replies.
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such animosity for the strain thread! I've found it to be a wonderful resource.
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Quote:
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I always had fun answering those, and still usually reply to posts that have 0 replies. After I reply (in the 0 posts threads) they usually get some more replies. It's very easy just not to read them if you don't like the subject matter.
The strain thread is a jumbled mess of useless replies, generally consisting of a "cube is a cube". Sad because I have to fish through endless pages to get to what I want (which is rarely there). I just use the search function and look at old posts from before 05, they usually have what i'm looking for, and more thoughtful replies.
Here is a problem, a cube IS a cube [excepting PE, iso and potential selective breeding]..... if you disagree then your problem shouldnt be the strain thread, it's the consensus among mods that this is true...
thats why the strain thread is there.
And I LIKE replying to posts with no replies as well, it is a way of sharing information and making sure a question doesnt fall through the cracks
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me too ; I replied. just was making an obervation. i'll be careful not to in the future 
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Answering questions helps noobs that use the search engine later. The more times it's asked and answered with different keywords, the more likely it'll be easily found by noobs.
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Quote:
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I always had fun answering those, and still usually reply to posts that have 0 replies. After I reply (in the 0 posts threads) they usually get some more replies. It's very easy just not to read them if you don't like the subject matter.
The strain thread is a jumbled mess of useless replies, generally consisting of a "cube is a cube". Sad because I have to fish through endless pages to get to what I want (which is rarely there). I just use the search function and look at old posts from before 05, they usually have what i'm looking for, and more thoughtful replies.
BECAUSE A CUBE IS A CUBE
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Quote:
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Here is a problem, a cube IS a cube [excepting PE, iso and potential selective breeding]..... if you disagree then your problem shouldnt be the strain thread, it's the consensus among mods that this is true...
I was a mod here, and I still talk to some of the mods here, I know what's up, and a few of them disagree with a cube is a cube. For me dif strains have different effects, and that's been true for my friends aswell.
I've posted in the thread, I'm just a not a fan of it because of all the inane off topicness that it contains. If some of those useless posts got deleted it would be easier to read through. The first page contains some copy/pasted strain descriptions from old vendors pages, before they were removed (after the P Fanticus bust). So it's kinda dry for me, but then again i've ran trough almost all of the older strains.
Whatcha gonna do man, difference in opinions makes the world go round
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Not to hijack the thread, but I also agree a cube is not a cube. Look at PE. And Puerto Ricans. I had probably the most gorgeous experience of my life from 4g of Ecuador last weekend, when I had previously eaten 7-8g of Mazatapec and it was intense but it didn't come close to being as gorgeous - or as gentle, now that I think about it.
I think it would be ignorant for us to assume that psilocybin, psilocin, and baeostycin are the only actives in cubes, that the ratio of these three actives is consistent across cube strains, and that some of the morphological differences we see among different cubes don't correspond to slight physiological differences; I've seen the comparison made between cube "strains" and "races" in human beings. Just as, for example, people of asian descent (far more often than other races) carry a mutation for the acetaldehyde dehydrogenase enzyme that makes them flush and get really drunk easily, or why blacks are predisposed to sickle cell anemia, and so on, it stands to reason that similar (though usually slight) differences would exist between mushroom "races" as well.
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I actually prefer Mazatapecs to Ecuadors, or anything else really 
Though I still have to catch up on a few strains like tranksei, plantasia mystery, south american, oak ridge, etc.
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I really enjoy Penis Envy, it is finicky but very rewarding. A head fucker indeed.
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Quote:
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I actually prefer Mazatapecs to Ecuadors, or anything else really
Though I still have to catch up on a few strains like tranksei, plantasia mystery, south american, oak ridge, etc.
Should be fun
Mazatapec was my most beloved strain - for years - until my Ecuador experience the other night. Maybe I was confused and mixed up my Mazatapecs and my Ecuadors, but I don't think so. The EQs seem to have a "nipple" that mazatapecs don't, in my experience anyway, but I wasn't paying THAT much attention when grabbing em..
I've been taking piracetam (the nootropic, not the shroomery user - I don't think he'd appreciate that!) recently, so maybe that had something to do with it. Maybe I'll make a thread about this..
Edit: Now who should be taking his own advice and posting in the strain thread? lol. I TOLD you I wasn't trying to be a forum nazi
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spores =/= strain.
if you are growing from spores and you think ecuador is "gentler" than something else.
its spores..
its random...
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: k00laid]
#13265130 - 09/29/10 02:24 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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spores =/= strain.
if you are growing from spores and you think ecuador is "gentler" than something else.
its spores..
its random...
So don't bother growing PE from spores because they'll be just the same as ecuadors or any other cube because it's random. Sure an isolate is genetically far more of an individual, but the spores from said isolate have genes that are very similar and far from random.
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often times PE ends up looking like any other cube because it is from spores.
very often.
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: k00laid]
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often times PE ends up looking like any other cube because it is from spores.
very often.
How would you go about getting the fruits that look the "classic" way, then? Not by blindly isolating a zillion different strains and growing them out hoping to get one that fruits and looks the way you want. Your multispore will make fruits that look more penis like than others, and you clone that one and voila. But that point is that the genes to make the penis-like fruitbodies is far more prevalent among PE spores than other strains spores, and that this is not a trivial difference. You're going to have to go to a lot of trouble before you manage to get PE like fruits from PESA spores.
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its due to domestication.
and ive had penis envy that wasnt very potent at all.
then ive had penis envy that just shattered my mind.
its spores :/
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: k00laid]
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spores =/= strain.
if you are growing from spores and you think ecuador is "gentler" than something else.
its spores..
its random...
No it's not and don't try and dictate others experience. I've always had consistent results from strains, just because you haven't doesn't make it untrue for others.
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I've always had consistent results from strains spores.
spores never give me consistent results.
isolated always give me consistent results.
 
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: k00laid]
#13265667 - 09/29/10 03:58 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Guess i've been lucky then because they've always been consistent for me potency wise. Yield wise it varies somewhere from between 3-7 grams per first flush, and I usually chuck em after the 2nd flush (time/space utilization reasons). Of coarse if laziness or excess partying happen, and they don't get proper attention, yields drop a bit
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ive had multispore substrates never fruit 
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: k00laid]
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no way!
Lol that is like the worst story ever.. I can see why your jaded 
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I have some B+ that has some insane nipple action, almost every one of them.
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ive had taz that were more like antennas than anything else.
i also agree that different cubes have different effects if ur aware enough to tell the slight differences. Me and a friend both personally agree that the USVI strain is more gentle, relaxed, blissful type trip. whereas the Red Boys we ate were more like a bitch slap around from one extreme to the other. we both feel this way. i love the USVI, fucking awesome strain. always feels like heaven. better than rolling in some ways.
but the redboys will kick you in the nuts and laugh about it like ' haha im just playin man, its cool.; then bitch slap you around some more and act like its cool.
that may sound crazy, but thats how id describe the difference. there is like an essence that is kinder with some strains and with others i feel its more agressive. This is something i believe is not related to set and setting.
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Any similarities in multispore "strains" from one grow to another, hell, from one mushroom to another in the same grow, is purely coincidental. Unless you're dealing with isolates or clones, it's all a crap shoot. In a perfect set up, potency, size, shape, yield, etc. is up to a genetic lottery. If I held up a random cube, there's no way you can tell exactly what strain it is with any certainty. Barring PE and the red spored mutants of course.
And seriously, can you not admit that maybe, possibly, the fact you feel different effects from different strains might have to do with set and setting more so than the strain name it was given? It's a marketing ploy for fuck's sake. I've eaten the same mushrooms, from the same grow, a week apart and had vastly different effects and feelings.
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: Boozie]
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Nope set and setting are always the same for me, and the feelings are all different from the strains. I guess some people just aren't sensitive enough to notice the differences. '
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: Boozie]
#13269795 - 09/30/10 12:12 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's a marketing ploy for fuck's sake. I've eaten the same mushrooms, from the same grow, a week apart and had vastly different effects and feelings.
Let it be known that the keyword in your statement is Quote:
Boozie said:
I've
To be honest, different strains come with different emotions/visuals/feelings. Explains why "SOME" people have different reactions to "DIFFERENT" strains, in the same set and setting as previous tripped (example: tripping in your apartment, general good mood, nothing bad happening lately) repeated times of the same set/setting, continued with different strains has shown to SOME people there is actually quite a difference in effects.
Can't honestly say there is a "marketing ploy" when everyone has different experiences can you?
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Agree to disagree, I guess. The strain subject has been beaten to death, and both sides are very set in their opinions. As long as everyone's enjoying them, it's fine by me.
To each their own!
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: Boozie]
#13270318 - 09/30/10 01:54 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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i dont think set and setting is ever consistent.
you are never the same as you were one week ago.
you never really stop growing up.
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: Boozie]
#13272561 - 09/30/10 09:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Boozie said:
And seriously, can you not admit that maybe, possibly, the fact you feel different effects from different strains might have to do with set and setting more so than the strain name it was given? It's a marketing ploy for fuck's sake. I've eaten the same mushrooms, from the same grow, a week apart and had vastly different effects and feelings.
Au contraire, mon ami. I do put GREAT stock in set and setting and even variable potency within the same flush. Still, despite accounting for these variables, I find that BOTH multispores AND isolates (isolates moreso, but multispore nonetheless) of strains have their own "personalities," for lack of a better term.
This is by its very nature an extremely hard question to tackle. You yourself mentioned genetic variability (red spore, for example) between strains and I think to discount the genetic differences between strains and the possible relationship that might have to the effects one experiences would be a mistake.
No, we are never the same and can never have the same trip twice. When enough people , with enough reports and experiences, tend to independently report similar things about the experience of a particular strain, though, ignoring that cumulative data is just as willfully ignorant as ignoring that, differences aside, we're still talking about P. Cubensis. I see both sides of this, and I think both sides need to be summed in order to approach any appreciable understanding of this complicated question.
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k00laid
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confirmation bias.
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: k00laid]
#13273787 - 10/01/10 06:02 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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confirmation bias.
That's assuming one already knows the "reputation" of the strain before consuming it, and that people aren't characterizing their experiences and THEN reading about what other folks have experienced from a given strain.
The relative concentrations of baeostycin to psilocybin and psilocin are a possible candidate for different strains to produce qualitatively different experiences. Surely confirmation bias is an element playing a role here though, there is no doubt of that.
There is also no doubt that we're beating a dead horse at this point =) This is one of those questions that I think may never be settled; perhaps if someone were able to conduct a comprehensive study of relative concentrations of psychoactive compounds in different strains would shed some light on this question. Please, though, feel free to give the half-decomposed horse at least one more kick
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very good point
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confirmation bias.
That's assuming one already knows the "reputation" of the strain before consuming it, and that people aren't characterizing their experiences and THEN reading about what other folks have experienced from a given strain.
Not at all. If people were more likely to write in and say Yeah I had a similar experience on X strain with Y kind of body buzz and Z visuals. People may be (and I certainly think they are) more likely to chime in with shared experiences so we should expect some selection bias tending to confirm descriptions of strains
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confirmation bias.
That's assuming one already knows the "reputation" of the strain before consuming it, and that people aren't characterizing their experiences and THEN reading about what other folks have experienced from a given strain.
Not at all. If people were more likely to write in and say Yeah I had a similar experience on X strain with Y kind of body buzz and Z visuals. People may be (and I certainly think they are) more likely to chime in with shared experiences so we should expect some selection bias tending to confirm descriptions of strains
I agree; that's what I was trying to say with the second part of the sentence you quoted. Folks reading a post about strain X who then write in saying "dude I had the same thing happen!" are common and an obvious example of what k00l mentioned - confirmation bias. On the other hand, if a number of (psychedelic-experienced probably) individuals were to take the same isolate, not informed of the "strain", and fill out a form afterwards describing their experience (and they weren't allowed to talk to each other about it until after submitting the form,) then we might be able to elucidate some valuable information about whether there really is an objective difference between effects of different cube strains.
So, who's going to run the test? lol Try getting a grant from NIH for that one! =)
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Re: Penis Envy potency [Re: k00laid]
#13278926 - 10/02/10 09:25 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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very good point
Thank you! likewise!
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