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[CA] New poll results: Proposition 19 picks up support
#13250157 - 09/26/10 05:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prop. 19 picks up support September 26, 2010 - Associated Press
An initiative that would make California the first state to legalize and regulate recreational marijuana use has become more popular among voters likely to cast a ballot in the November election, according to a Field Poll released Sunday.
The survey found Proposition 19 was favored by 49 percent of likely voters, with 42 percent opposed. That's a significant shift from July, when a similar poll found the initiative trailing by 4 percentage points.
"There's a real chance of passage here. It didn't look that way two months ago," Field Poll Director Mark DiCamillo said. "Voters certainly understand the concept here. It's not a complicated initiative."
DiCamillo said the challenge for the initiative's backers will be to hold onto that support and persuade some undecided voters to come to their side.
That could be difficult if law enforcement officials and leading politicians launch what is expected to be an opposition campaign in the final weeks leading up to the election.
In an opinion piece published Friday in the Los Angeles Times, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said the initiative would make California a laughingstock if it passed and would cause legal nightmares for the state.
Critics also have said the initiative will encourage marijuana use and increase drug-related crimes while doing little for the state's economy.
If Proposition 19 passes, adults could possess up to one ounce of the drug, and the state could tax its distribution and sale.
Supporters say legalizing marijuana would bring much-needed revenue to the state while reducing the influence of drug cartels. Its supporters include the state's largest labor group, the 700,000-member Service Employees International Union.
Younger voters were among the strongest backers of the initiative, with those under 40 favoring it 59 percent to 33 percent. Voters 65 and older opposed the proposition 53 percent to 36 percent.
DiCamillo said the survey questioned more older voters to reflect projected voter turnout in gubernatorial elections.
In general, more voters favor marijuana legalization today than four decades ago. A 1969 Field Poll found that just 13 percent of California's registered voters supported legalization. That rose to 30 percent in 1983 and nearly 50 percent this year.
Support for legalized medicinal marijuana has remained steady over the past six years, at 74 percent of registered voters.
The poll also surveyed likely voters about Proposition 23, an initiative funded by out-of-state oil companies that would suspend the state's 2006 law to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Opponents outnumber supporters 45 percent to 34 percent.
Meanwhile, voters continue to support Proposition 25, which would allow the state Legislature to pass budgets with a simple majority vote rather than a two-thirds majority. It has support from 46 percent of likely voters compared to 30 percent who oppose it.
The poll surveyed 857 registered voters by telephone from Sept. 14 to Sept. 21. It had a sampling error margin of 4.1 percentage points for likely voters.
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Re: [CA] New poll results: Proposition 19 picks up support [Re: veggie]
#13250209 - 09/26/10 05:15 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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veggie said: Prop. 19 picks up support
Meanwhile, voters continue to support Proposition 25, which would allow the state Legislature to pass budgets with a simple majority vote rather than a two-thirds majority. It has support from 46 percent of likely voters compared to 30 percent who oppose it.
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Re: [CA] New poll results: Proposition 19 picks up support [Re: Konyap]
#13250286 - 09/26/10 05:36 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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lol @ at the governor
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Re: [CA] New poll results: Proposition 19 picks up support [Re: veggie]
#13250410 - 09/26/10 06:05 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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The op-ed mentioned in the article:
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SEIU is off-base on legalizing pot The union's endorsement of Proposition 19 as a way for California to avoid cuts to social programs is wrong, Gov. Schwarzenegger argues. Pension reform is a better solution.
September 24, 2010|By Arnold Schwarzenegger
I was surprised to read that leaders of the state's biggest union â the SEIU â had decided to endorse Proposition 19, which would allow Californians to legally grow and possess marijuana. Any patrol officer, judge or district attorney will tell you that Proposition 19 is a flawed initiative that would bring about a host of legal nightmares and risks to public safety. It would also make California a laughingstock.
Leaders of the Service Employees International Union say they support Proposition 19 so the state can avoid cuts to healthcare, home care, education and elderly care programs. Yet even the best-case estimates show Proposition 19 (assuming it would even pass constitutional muster) bringing in only $1.4 billion in annual revenue â a fraction of our current deficit.
The SEIU could embrace a far better and more responsible solution for saving state programs: pension reform.
Getting a handle on pensions would preserve far more jobs and prevent many more cuts than legalizing marijuana, and it would do so without the legal complications and safety risks inherent in Proposition 19. Yet for the past year, the SEIU's leaders have been fighting tooth-and-nail against common-sense measures to rein in a debt that is unsustainable and is severely affecting the state's finances.
Indeed, California is suffering from a series of irresponsible decisions by SEIU-backed politicians, who have guaranteed huge retirement benefits to state workers without setting aside the money to pay for them. Because of this, we have $550 billion in unfunded retirement debt that is costing us $6.5 billion this year. Without reform, that unfunded debt will double in cost every 4.5 years. A single bill the Legislature passed in 1999 (SB 400, which retroactively boosted state workers' pensions without a way to pay for it) is now responsible for about $2.5 billion of this year's deficit. State pension costs for CalPERS are more than 2,000% higher today than they were 10 years ago, and that's not a misprint.
How in the world can anyone consider that an even distribution of the people's money? And how could someone think legalizing marijuana is the best way to solve it?
Six state employees unions have reached agreements with the state to roll back pensions for new hires. For example, the deal the California Assn. of Highway Patrolmen and other unions negotiated requires new employees to work additional years to receive full benefits, bases final retirement compensation on the highest three years of wages instead of the highest year, and increases the amount employees must contribute toward their retirement to a minimum of 10%.
These are reasonable changes to the system that members of these unions have accepted. They have made it possible for the unions' members to avoid furloughs during this economic crisis, and they have lessened the state's long-term debt. Similar changes with the rest of the unions would preserve funding for higher education, public safety, healthcare, home care, education and elderly care programs.
Sadly, SEIU's leadership is refusing to make any rollbacks to pensions. We understand that interest groups must fight for their members, but for the SEIU to endorse legalizing marijuana means it is willing to risk public safety to protect unsustainable pension costs.
The notion that we have to choose between legalizing drugs and education funding or care for the elderly is false. The answer is to prioritize the money we already have, and funding pensions 2000% higher than we were 10 years ago means we don't have our priorities straight.
SEIU members should tell their leadership that instead of focusing on extremist causes, they could agree to some common-sense rollbacks in what new workers are guaranteed. No one is asking for draconian concessions; even after changes to bring costs under control, we would still spend $2 billion more on compensation and benefits this year than last.
There are no magic solutions to our state's problems, but there are some manageable ones, and SEIU's leaders know what they are. Scaling back pensions, not legalizing marijuana, would show our children that we have our priorities right.
Arnold Schwarzenegger is governor of California.
- http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/24/opinion/la-oe-schwarzenegger-marijuana-pensio20100924
He seems to be attacking the position that marijuana legalization shouldn't be advocated by the union, because it is a poor way of addressing the budget crisis.
The flaw in this argument is that it rests on the idea that the primary reason to legalize marijuana is based on generating revenue. However, the principle reason marijuana should be legalized isn't so the state can profit off of it, but because that is the ethical and just thing to do. The "measly $1.4 BILLION" is just an added bonus.
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Re: [CA] New poll results: Proposition 19 picks up support [Re: Green_T]
#13250430 - 09/26/10 06:11 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Whatever the outcome, we can rest easy knowing that Arnold is numero uno.
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Re: [CA] New poll results: Proposition 19 picks up support [Re: psychedelico]
#13250457 - 09/26/10 06:17 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi wonder why this picture hasn't surfaced mainstream. Maybe because marijuana activists don't need to resort to character attacks, their argument is valid enough. Unfortunately I don't have faith that most californians can appreciate that.
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Re: [CA] New poll results: Proposition 19 picks up support [Re: 2859558484]
#13251095 - 09/26/10 08:32 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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its not a picture, its still from the movie "Pumping Iron"
a movie about bodybuilding
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Re: [CA] New poll results: Proposition 19 picks up support [Re: Green_T]
#13251434 - 09/26/10 09:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Green_T said: He seems to be attacking the position that marijuana legalization shouldn't be advocated by the union, because it is a poor way of addressing the budget crisis.
The flaw in this argument is that it rests on the idea that the primary reason to legalize marijuana is based on generating revenue. However, the principle reason marijuana should be legalized isn't so the state can profit off of it, but because that is the ethical and just thing to do. The "measly $1.4 BILLION" is just an added bonus.
This is exactly what Obama did when he skirted the question at that town hall meeting.
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Re: [CA] New poll results: Proposition 19 picks up support [Re: Zardos]
#13251567 - 09/26/10 10:14 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Zardos said: its not a picture, its still from the movie "Pumping Iron"
a movie about bodybuilding
oh ahha
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Re: [CA] New poll results: Proposition 19 picks up support [Re: Mickalopagus]
#13251823 - 09/26/10 11:25 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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2 days ago I did this: google: "vote NO prop 19" 34,000 results google: "vote YES prop 19" 311,000 results
Interesting. I hope these people VOTE!
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Re: [CA] New poll results: Proposition 19 picks up support [Re: guest1]
#13251918 - 09/26/10 11:59 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think that it will pass. More people might be in favor of it, but no one in the demographics that support it actually turn out for the vote. Isn't that a bitch.
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Re: [CA] New poll results: Proposition 19 picks up support [Re: CaptainAhab]
#13251934 - 09/27/10 12:08 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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speculation speculation
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Re: [CA] New poll results: Proposition 19 picks up support [Re: Konyap]
#13251944 - 09/27/10 12:11 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I registered, and registered the gf, too. That's 2 in favor. Maybe I could hand out voter registration forms or something? That's really what needs to happen. Young people just don't vote, it's that simple.
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Re: [CA] New poll results: Proposition 19 picks up support [Re: CaptainAhab]
#13252062 - 09/27/10 12:56 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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CaptainAhab said: I registered, and registered the gf, too. That's 2 in favor. Maybe I could hand out voter registration forms or something? That's really what needs to happen. Young people just don't vote, it's that simple.
Awesome idea! And that's a great strategy, because people are way likely to show up at the election immediately following their registration.
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Re: [CA] New poll results: Proposition 19 picks up support [Re: whatever123]
#13252349 - 09/27/10 04:33 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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An easy way to get registrations is by going to the universities and city colleges if there are any near you. I might be worth putting some in the local headshops too...
I recently watched a documentary about proposition 8 (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_8 ,which banned gay marriage) and how the mormons used underhanded tactics to get it to pass. They basically had to rile up TONS of "Yes" support, spend MILLIONS on campaigns, and get ridiculous voter turnout. They won 52:47.
So heres the question: How does the gay marriage demographic compare to the pro-marijuana demographic? They are both seen as "liberal" causes, so you can weakly correlate a "yes" vote on allowing gay marriage to "yes" on prop 19. Then the question goes, which group has more: Those opposed to gay marriage but pro-legalization, or those in favor of gay marriage but anti-legalization? Is gay marriage a more highly contentious issue than marijuana legalization, so will you get more people opposed?
Prop 8 had a high voter turnout, so it wasn't just gays vs religious people voting. The majority of pro-legalization people will vote yes on 19, and the "prohibitionists" will vote no. So, what are those who are complacent to the issue going to vote?
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Re: [CA] New poll results: Proposition 19 picks up support [Re: Green_T]
#13252448 - 09/27/10 06:23 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Green_T said: An easy way to get registrations is by going to the universities and city colleges if there are any near you. I might be worth putting some in the local headshops too...
I recently watched a documentary about proposition 8 (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_8 ,which banned gay marriage) and how the mormons used underhanded tactics to get it to pass. They basically had to rile up TONS of "Yes" support, spend MILLIONS on campaigns, and get ridiculous voter turnout. They won 52:47.
So heres the question: How does the gay marriage demographic compare to the pro-marijuana demographic? They are both seen as "liberal" causes, so you can weakly correlate a "yes" vote on allowing gay marriage to "yes" on prop 19. Then the question goes, which group has more: Those opposed to gay marriage but pro-legalization, or those in favor of gay marriage but anti-legalization? Is gay marriage a more highly contentious issue than marijuana legalization, so will you get more people opposed?
Prop 8 had a high voter turnout, so it wasn't just gays vs religious people voting. The majority of pro-legalization people will vote yes on 19, and the "prohibitionists" will vote no. So, what are those who are complacent to the issue going to vote?
That doesn't make any sense. The high voter turnout for the prop 8 situation can be direcly related to every pastor in every evangelical church throwing their arms in the air and preaching that WE MUST STOP THEM! FOR THE CHILDREN! Those people are sheep by definition, and it's the entire point of the damn religion in the first place - power through control.
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Re: [CA] New poll results: Proposition 19 picks up support [Re: CaptainAhab]
#13252939 - 09/27/10 10:07 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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CaptainAhab said: I registered, and registered the gf, too. That's 2 in favor. Maybe I could hand out voter registration forms or something? That's really what needs to happen. Young people just don't vote, it's that simple.
Good idea. You can get a big stack of voter registration forms at the post office for free. Hand them out in places where you know the people will be likely to vote the correct way.
There is a deadline for when the forms need to be submitted in order to vote in the next election, find out when that is...
You can give them to your friends, hand them out at parties and festivals, and put stacks of them in medical marijuana dispensaries and coffee shops.
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Re: [CA] New poll results: Proposition 19 picks up support [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#13254104 - 09/27/10 02:18 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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CaptainAhab said: I registered, and registered the gf, too. That's 2 in favor. Maybe I could hand out voter registration forms or something? That's really what needs to happen. Young people just don't vote, it's that simple.
Good idea. You can get a big stack of voter registration forms at the post office for free. Hand them out in places where you know the people will be likely to vote the correct way.
There is a deadline for when the forms need to be submitted in order to vote in the next election, find out when that is...
You can give them to your friends, hand them out at parties and festivals, and put stacks of them in medical marijuana dispensaries and coffee shops.
This is true I looked into it, and there is a 30 day wait between when the registration forms are postmarked and when you can vote. That's why I was insistent about getting my gf (and myself) registered last week... you bring up a good point. I live near a university, and can probably just pass them out there. Good idea about leaving them in dispensaries! That's a perfect place.
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Re: [CA] New poll results: Proposition 19 picks up support [Re: CaptainAhab]
#13254388 - 09/27/10 03:17 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Now that i think of it if marijuana becoms legal in caly i bet a lot of people would want to move there and houses in california would sell easier and possible bring up the price in the house they sell.
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Re: [CA] New poll results: Proposition 19 picks up support [Re: littleton]
#13254754 - 09/27/10 04:27 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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people are pretty passionate about marijuana in california, i am confident we will win the vote
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