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Re: Bush Increasing Religious Allusions [Re: silversoul7]
    #1322789 - 02/20/03 05:30 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Are you referring to New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson?


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Re: Bush Increasing Religious Allusions [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1322798 - 02/20/03 05:33 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Yes. Thank you. I meant New Mexico.


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Re: Bush Increasing Religious Allusions [Re: Crapula]
    #1323002 - 02/20/03 06:41 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Seperation of church and state, who needs it. We're going to have a faith based precedent er, initiative real soon. Religious allusions by a sitting president aren't to uncommon. Actually doing something that could blur the lines between the two instistutions is uncommon. This is scary. No one in D.C. seems to mind that President Bush suggested this faith based initiative, this is scary. On the surface it sound harmless enough, giving money to religious based community groups, but the referee inside my head keeps saying foul direct violation of church and state. Maybe someone can explain why it isn't, I just don't see it.


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Re: Bush Increasing Religious Allusions [Re: falcon]
    #1323478 - 02/20/03 11:43 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Seperation of church and state, who needs it.



Actually, anyone with the most basic of comprehension skills can see there is no separation of church and state as is so commonly tossed around. Here is the related section of the first ammendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; "

In simple terms for the simple.....
Government can't promote or start (establish) a religion, nor can it impede or end (prohibit) a religion.

Now if they, for example, said they were going to give 100,000,000 to the moonies but no other religions, or if they were to declare The Church Of Latter Day Saints as the "official" religion, or say they banned the Lutherans, then they would be in violation. The difference is they are "spreading" the bucks around to many.

Still an improper use of government funds in my opinion.





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Re: Bush Increasing Religious Allusions [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1323583 - 02/21/03 02:40 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Yes but the money is coming with conditions on how it will be spent. This by itself,I think, is too much legislated influence. I agree that the seperation of church and state is not even possible, people bring they're ideoligies with them to government.


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Re: Bush Increasing Religious Allusions [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1323584 - 02/21/03 02:42 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Yes but the money is coming with conditions on how it will be spent. This by itself,I think, is too much legislated influence. I agree that the seperation of church and state is not even possible, people bring they're ideologies with them to government.


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Re: Bush Increasing Religious Allusions [Re: Crapula]
    #1323622 - 02/21/03 03:23 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

It does not really matter if bush quotes a few passages from the bible. He has obviously never read it. if he had read it he would not be pushing for this war. Read the teachings of christ and tell me if you see any of this in it!

Those of you who claim to be christian and support our government are hypocrites! I know what the church teaches and I know what Jesus taught. They are not the same thing in most instances. Try, if you can, to understand what the man you claim to follow had to say about what is going on in this world.

Wether he was God or man does not matter to me. If you claim to follow him, read what he had to say. The world would be a better place. For everyone.


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Re: Bush Increasing Religious Allusions [Re: sirreal]
    #1324538 - 02/21/03 11:29 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Those of you who claim to be christian and support our government are hypocrites! I know what the church teaches and I know what Jesus taught.



So.... dems who support abortion are not hypocrites? (I'm not saying you said that, just asking) How about giving birth control to kids? (Again... just asking)


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Re: Bush Increasing Religious Allusions [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1324554 - 02/21/03 11:33 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Well, to be fair, abortion isn't mentioned in the Bible. And birth control didn't even exist when it was written.


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Re: Bush Increasing Religious Allusions [Re: silversoul7]
    #1324558 - 02/21/03 11:35 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Ok then, how about homosexuality?


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Re: Bush Increasing Religious Allusions [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1324562 - 02/21/03 11:36 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Fair enough.


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Re: Bush Increasing Religious Allusions [Re: silversoul7]
    #1324572 - 02/21/03 11:41 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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And birth control didn't even exist when it was written.



Really?


The oldest illustration of a condom was found in Egypt and dates back more than 3,000 years. It is difficult to judge from the drawing what the ancient Egyptian wearing the condom had in mind. He may have worn it for sexual or ritual reasons?or both. Some claim that, in later times, the Romans made condoms from the muscle tissue of warriors they defeated in battle.

(url)http://www.plannedparenthood.org/articles/condomhistory.html(/url)
I wasn't aware of this until now. Your post made me curious.

And what of the old "pull it out" method? And I think anal and oral sex can be considered birth control.


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Re: Bush Increasing Religious Allusions [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1324720 - 02/21/03 12:58 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I have one question for Mister George Bush Jr.. What Would Jesus Do???


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Re: Bush Increasing Religious Allusions [Re: pimpadelic]
    #1324733 - 02/21/03 01:03 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Who cares?


Edit...

He's not a Jr.


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Edited by luvdemshrooms (02/21/03 01:04 PM)


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Re: Bush Increasing Religious Allusions [Re: pimpadelic]
    #1324735 - 02/21/03 01:05 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

They justify violence by using saying that Jesus chased people away with a whip or something.

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Some claim that, in later times, the Romans made condoms from the muscle tissue of warriors they defeated in battle.




That's the ulitmate insult. You kill a guy and fuck somebody with their muscle tissue. Well.....I guess fucking his mother with the muscle tissue would be the ultimate insult.



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Re: Bush Increasing Religious Allusions [Re: Learyfan]
    #1324739 - 02/21/03 01:06 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I didn't say it. Sorry forgot he link. Having too much fun now but it was on the planned parenthood site.


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