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 Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest  [Re: johnm214]
#13237764 - 09/23/10 07:28 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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When you are fighting infection you must wipe it out completely lest you want it to come back stronger...
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: GI_Luvmoney]
#13238010 - 09/23/10 08:12 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I thought the central premise of this thread was that Bush never said anything about WMDs, not a single word, not ever -- and if he did then it was carefully couched in plausibly deniable hypotheticals so he couldn't technically have lied. Just like no politician ever lies!
Seems like a non sequitur to bring up anything that anyone else said about WMDs. Since the war was never about WMDs and everyone knew that at the time, except apparently for Colin "white powder" Powell and Don "It happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." Rumsfeld.
And, of course, George "We have found the weapons of mass destruction" Bush...
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: jimbotron]
#13238744 - 09/23/10 10:32 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am pretty sure this thread isn't about any of that, it's about how sad some neo-cons are in here who are still carrying a war-flag for Bush. I know, the current republican atmosphere is a disaster with no credibility, but denial is not the solution. Frankly I think that neo-cons would do better if they were simply open about the fact that they want to conquer/empire build, don't respect international law and want the poor, disabled or union organizers to fuck off and die. You can't control the media nowadays, blatantly owning your evil is the only restitution left for these folk.
It's OK. Just be who you are.
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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: ScavengerType]
#13239778 - 09/24/10 09:04 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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The thread was about whether Bush lied or not. See the title of it.
Conquest, huh? We sure have taken over vast areas of the world. Fabulist stupidity of the finest stripe.
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: ScavengerType]
#13244774 - 09/25/10 12:41 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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New Documents: Bush Team Planned Iraq War from Start
September 23, 2010
Former president George W. Bush’s advisers focused on toppling Saddam Hussein’s regime as soon as he took office and discussed how to justify a war in Iraq shortly after invading Afghanistan in 2001, official documents showed Wednesday.
A few hours after the September 11 attacks in 2001, then defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld spoke of attacking Iraq as well as Osama bin Laden, according to notes of a meeting on that day, newly declassified papers show.
Rumsfeld told a Pentagon lawyer to go to his deputy to get “support” showing a supposed link between the Iraqi regime and Al-Qaeda’s founder, according to the papers posted by the Washington-based National Security Archive, an independent research institute.
The US government has since acknowledged that Saddam’s regime had no role in the 9/11 attacks.
In June and July of 2001, senior administration officials seized on intercepted aluminum tubes as proof that Iraq was pursuing nuclear weapons, even before a preliminary assessment of the tubes, according to two State Department memos to then secretary of state Colin Powell.
One memo states the US government’s interest in “publicizing the interdiction to our advantage” and “getting the right story out” about the tubes, which were soon found to have no nuclear connection.
Confronting Iraq was also the focus of a July 2001 memo to the national security adviser at the time, Condoleezza Rice, with Rumsfeld urging a high-level meeting on policy towards Baghdad.
Voicing concern that sanctions were proving a failure and that Iraq’s air defenses were improving, Rumsfeld warned: “Within a few years the US will undoubtedly have to confront a Saddam armed with nuclear weapons.”
Forecasting an optimistic outcome far from the result the Iraq war produced, Rumsfeld said that Washington’s image in the region and the world would benefit from toppling Saddam.
“If Saddam’s regime were ousted, we would have a much-improved position in the region and elsewhere,” he wrote. “A major success in Iraq would enhance US credibility and influence throughout the region.”
Another document shows Rumsfeld discussing war plans for Iraq just two months after the 2001 US invasion of Afghanistan.
In a meeting with the then head of US Central Command, General Tommy Franks, the defense chief tells him to ready forces for the “decapitation” of the Iraqi regime.
In talking points dated November 27, Rumsfeld lists possible triggers the Bush administration could use to start a war, including Iraqi military action against the US-protected enclave in northern Iraq, discovery of ties between Saddam and 9/11 or recent anthrax attacks and disputes with UN weapons inspections.
In a December 18, 2001 memo, the State Department’s analytical unit warns that France and Germany will likely oppose an invasion of Iraq without concrete proof that Baghdad was behind the 9/11 attacks.
The same memo warns that British support for a US war would come at a political cost for the prime minister, Tony Blair, and could trigger a backlash from the country’s Muslim population.
Backing the US war “could bring a radicalization of British Muslims, the great majority of whom opposed the September 11 attacks but are increasingly restive about what they see as an anti-Islamic campaign,” the memo states.
The documents posted Wednesday were released under a Freedom of Information request.
http://bit.ly/9OSfvz
See also:
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/new-documents-show-bush-administration-plan
http://www.thinkprogress.org/2010/09/23/documents-bush-iraq-november/
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: zorbman]
#13244783 - 09/25/10 12:43 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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I believe regime change in Iraq was a holdover policy from Clinton.
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Re: Bush lied? Not in the slightest [Re: zorbman]
#13246964 - 09/25/10 09:47 PM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks zorbman, I think that about wraps it up.
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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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