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Cops right to search my dog?
#13234405 - 09/23/10 02:04 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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How would that work if my dog was to have a backpack with my pipe and weed in it? Should i lock it as well? I doubt i'll ever have to use the information, but was just a thought i was having and good to have to cover my arse.
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Re: Cops right to search my dog? [Re: Sparkey_STi]
#13234727 - 09/23/10 07:08 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sparkey_STi said: How would that work if my dog was to have a backpack with my pipe and weed in it? Should i lock it as well? I doubt i'll ever have to use the information, but was just a thought i was having and good to have to cover my arse.
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? good answer... 
I hike often, and we smoke at summit. I often pass rangers and local police and they usually only check for alcohol and usually only our backpacks so i just keep it on me and we're fine. I just got a new dog that im going to be taking hiking and wonder what the legalities of taking him hiking and running into rangers would be. Its not something i can search out because any time you type "Cop, Dog, Search, consent" its all about people getting searched by the dogs... this is searching my dog.
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Re: Cops right to search my dog? [Re: Sparkey_STi]
#13235095 - 09/23/10 09:43 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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i had a retarded friend with this idea. the dog is your public property dude. the cops will see right through your bullshit if they want to search you.
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Re: Cops right to search my dog? [Re: 2859558484]
#13235126 - 09/23/10 09:55 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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If keeping it on you works...then I would just keep doing that.
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Re: Cops right to search my dog? [Re: weephar]
#13235147 - 09/23/10 10:01 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dude dogs aren't covered by the constitution
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Re: Cops right to search my dog? [Re: Sparkey_STi] 1
#13235182 - 09/23/10 10:11 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sparkey_STi said: ? good answer... 
I hike often, and we smoke at summit. I often pass rangers and local police and they usually only check for alcohol and usually only our backpacks so i just keep it on me and we're fine. I just got a new dog that im going to be taking hiking and wonder what the legalities of taking him hiking and running into rangers would be. Its not something i can search out because any time you type "Cop, Dog, Search, consent" its all about people getting searched by the dogs... this is searching my dog.
Actually, it's an excellent answer. Furthermore, it was as kind as I could be for such a foolish question.
Since it appears not to have satisfied you... I am unaware of any court cases (recent or otherwise) where a dog (or any other critter... domesticated or not) has been found to be covered by the 4th (or any other) amendment.
Really dude (or dudette), I've seen plenty of WTF type questions... but your ranks among the WTFiest I can remember.
Although... maybe if it was a monogrammed backpack.
Cop 1: Is that your bag? Dude: No officer. My dog buys all his own clothing and accessories. He's very stylish! Cop 1: I guess we can't search this bag as it clearly belongs to ARFY the Wonderdog. Golly, it even has his name embroidered on it. Cop 2: Damn! I hate when that happens! Outsmarted again! Cop 3: Let's beat the crap out of this guy AND his dog for so cleverly foiling us. Cop 1: OK, but lets be careful not to damage that awesome bag. Cop 4: Wow! They both squeal like stuck pigs when I jam my nightstick up their asses. Cool!
Awesome plan dude!
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Re: Cops right to search my dog? [Re: Anonymous #1]
#13235215 - 09/23/10 10:22 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Anonymous said: Dude dogs aren't covered by the constitution 
Basically, this is the correct answer.
While you have rights to the crap on your dog, its going to be, if anything, less than the right you have not to have someone's hands all up in your pant pockets.
The terry search implications probably wouldn't differ from having stuff in your pockets, but if you locked a small package of pot or something, it could be less reasonable to get you to open that if it couldn't be used to quickly knife a ranger or someone, but this is a stretch given how much crap flies with terry searches.
I'd be more concerned with getting charged with animal abuse for dressing up your dog
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luvdemshrooms said:
Although... maybe if it was a monogrammed backpack.
Cop 1: Is that your bag? Dude: No officer. My dog buys all his own clothing and accessories. He's very stylish! Cop 1: I guess we can't search this bag as it clearly belongs to ARFY the Wonderdog. Golly, it even has his name embroidered on it. Cop 2: Damn! I hate when that happens! Outsmarted again! Cop 3: Let's beat the crap out of this guy AND his dog for so cleverly foiling us. Cop 1: OK, but lets be careful not to damage that awesome bag. Cop 4: Wow! They both squeal like stuck pigs when I jam my nightstick up their asses. Cool!
Awesome plan dude!

HAHAHAHA!
Maybe you could train your dog to run away if the cops come...and then bury the pot far away before the cops can catch up to the dog...then you would be all good. Then when the cops are gone, your dog can lead you to your pot and then you and your dog can get stoned.
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Re: Cops right to search my dog? [Re: weephar]
#13236988 - 09/23/10 04:46 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is it really that hard to hold back being a dick? "Facepalm" is not an answer, its an action. This isnt OTD or Pub... This is for Security and Safety - Things most people take seriously.
Theres a difference between retarded, and ignorant. At least i have the common sense to ask BEFORE rather then assuming.
Thanks.
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Re: Cops right to search my dog? [Re: Sparkey_STi]
#13238469 - 09/23/10 09:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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At least i have the common sense to ask BEFORE rather then assuming.
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Re: Cops right to search my dog? [Re: Sparkey_STi]
#13238526 - 09/23/10 09:44 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd bet you would get in trouble for having your dog off of a leash in a public setting like hiking over there.
you could, anyway. So keep it on a leash. If you're only on a day hike what the fuck would a dog need to carry? Maybe if it were a weekend or week long hike and your dog had to pack his own food, then it would be reasonable to see a dog with packs on it. Otherwise, it'd be foolish to even have the packs on the dog, and suspect as well.
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Re: Cops right to search my dog? [Re: Sparkey_STi]
#13239361 - 09/24/10 04:18 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sparkey_STi said: Is it really that hard to hold back being a dick? "Facepalm" is not an answer, its an action. This isnt OTD or Pub... This is for Security and Safety - Things most people take seriously.
Theres a difference between retarded, and ignorant. At least i have the common sense to ask BEFORE rather then assuming.
Thanks.
The was, and remains, the perfect answer to your question.
Think about it. Killers, thieves, con artists, kiddie porn lovers and burglars around the country no longer need to fear. All they have to do is hide any evidence in their dogs bag.
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Re: Cops right to search my dog? [Re: Sparkey_STi]
#13240300 - 09/24/10 12:11 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sparkey_STi said: I hike often, and we smoke at summit. I often pass rangers and local police and they usually only check for alcohol and usually only our backpacks so i just keep it on me and we're fine. I just got a new dog that im going to be taking hiking and wonder what the legalities of taking him hiking and running into rangers would be. Its not something i can search out because any time you type "Cop, Dog, Search, consent" its all about people getting searched by the dogs... this is searching my dog.
Rangers and police are not allowed to check your backpack for alcohol. Always politely decline their kind offer to search you.
The consitution protects your right against unreasonable searches, but dogs are not covered by the consitution.
If they search you for no reason and find something, you can suppress the evidence in court and the case will be dropped.
If they search your dog and find something and arrest you for it, you have no legal recourse.
In addition, a dog wearing a backpack is suspicious so just seeing your dog wearing one would give them probable cause to search.
You are best off keeping it in your backpack, well hidden so a quick search will not turn it up. For example put it in the battery compartment of a small radio, or better yet take apart the radio or old broken GPS and put it inside, and carry a leatherman or something you can use to open up your radio at the summit.
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If they search your dog and find something and arrest you for it, you have no legal recourse.
No legal course on its face, however; if you had immediate possesion of the bag at the time, dog near you or under your control, and you object to the search/aren't asked, then you'd have some legal recourse via supression.
I agree the reasonableness of the search would be higher with a dog's backpack and this would likely add to suspicion demonstrable at a hearing, but I can't see how the fact its on a dog necessarily means anything.
Its still just going to come down to the same old factors of reasonableness and expectation of privacy if the search is not consented to, in my opinion.
I'd just make sure the dog is near you (well, I wouldn't put it on the dog at all, bad idea) as I could imagine a surpression motion being denied should the ranger/gov't claim he was concerned with public safety/dog bombs or some nonsense.

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Re: Cops right to search my dog? [Re: johnm214]
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Alan Rockefeller said:http://www.soviet-empire.com/1/military/anti-tank/dog_mine/anti-tank_dog_mine_001_629x383.jpg
mod edit: Fixed image link - soviet-empire.com shows images to browsers but does not allow them to be embeded in other websites.
The link as quoted tries to open a text document. (Firefox)
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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luvdemshrooms said: mod edit: Fixed image link - soviet-empire.com shows images to browsers but does not allow them to be embeded in other websites.
The link as quoted tries to open a text document. (Firefox)
I get a .jpg using google chrome.
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luvdemshrooms said: mod edit: Fixed image link - soviet-empire.com shows images to browsers but does not allow them to be embeded in other websites.
The link as quoted tries to open a text document. (Firefox)
I get a .jpg using google chrome.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Interesting, what does the hotlink.txt file say?
Try copy and pasting the .jpg URL into a new browser tab.
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Alan Rockefeller said: Interesting, what does the hotlink.txt file say?
Don't know. I don't open stuff unless I know what it is and it feels right.
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Try copy and pasting the .jpg URL into a new browser tab.
I already had. Works fine that way.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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