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Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class
    #13228572 - 09/21/10 07:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I was pretty damn nervous about the whole thing at first after I dropped my buddy's bike during parking lot practice. (He's a mechanic so it was ok lol)  The instructor was friendly, as were the classmates.  Experience ranged from never driven manual to riding 20 years, and ages ranged from 18 to 60.  It was just classroom work tonight but I'm feeling a lot more confident about the whole thing now. I was told we're riding 125cc bikes (not 550cc like the one that put me down) so that was a wave of relief too.  Only shitty part is the next class, the actual riding class, might be in the rain.  :crankey:

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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: Newbie]
    #13228589 - 09/21/10 07:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

If you aren't comfortable going through the course, then maybe you shouldn't be riding a bike...

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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #13228602 - 09/21/10 07:42 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Just like an actor with pre-show jitters shouldn't go on to perform? :tongue2:  I'll be okay man, my heart's in this.

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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: Newbie]
    #13228653 - 09/21/10 07:50 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

thats pretty rad man.

my bro bought a bike a few months ago and was in the process of fixing it when he was shipped to the gulf coast to do some work on a boat. im thinking about getting it hooked up and figuring out how to ride it myself.

this is a (i think) 1978 Honda. its a 2-speed with no clutch. should be interesting.


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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: frith]
    #13228663 - 09/21/10 07:52 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I learned today that older bikes need to have the fuel valve shut off after riding or all of the gas will drain out of the bike.  Something to keep in mind.  :wink:    :lol:

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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: Newbie]
    #13229828 - 09/22/10 01:02 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i guess its good that you safely got your first drop out of the way, though it sucks it was your friends bike. he probly played it off cool but fairings/fenders and paint are a bitch to fix or expensive to replace.


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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: teaparty]
    #13229839 - 09/22/10 01:08 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Those 125cc bikes that the shcools use are predominately "cruiser type", but I took mine on a KLX250s; very fun time and passed with flying colors due to "supermotos" being basically dirtbikes with street tires/gear (of which I had a decade of experience with).

You're in for an awesome feeling of freedom. By the way, what bikes are you looking into buying?


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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: FuzedBox]
    #13229872 - 09/22/10 01:27 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

im a bike rider too. learning what your learning is imperative, because lets face it, you dont get a 2nd chance on a motorbike.

to start out, dont touch the rear break. only do this once your more comfortable in controlling the bke.

rise always with one finger on the front break.

be very careful in the wet as you traction decreases alot.

you need to learn to read the traffic and anticipate hazzards, i.e. trucks and buses just get past them straight away.

in a car/truck you assume youve been seen, on a motorbike you assume your invisible and it is your responsibility to get yourself seen or noticed, whether this is riding in mirrors or staying behind cars, blipping ur lights so they notice you.

if you ever lock the brakes, dont panic but release the brakes quickly and then reapply in gentle but increase the pressure slowly, i.e dont just grab the breaks and squeeze the shit out of it, you gotta roll your hands forward into it gradually building up the pressure.

dont try to hang off the bike with 1 cheek and a knee down just yet till your confident riding the bike.

learn about counter steering and maneuvering the bike with your hips. it sounds crazy but if you push the bar on the side you want to turn the bike will lean over in that direction, i.e. right turn, push right side of bar and bike will lean to the right side. you can also maneuver the bike pretty well with a combination of hip movements to assist counter steering. so u push the right bar and puhs ur hips to the left with your right butt cheek, this will greatly assist the bike in turning.

what i did when i first got my bike, was just ride around the back streets in my area till i was confident on the bike and controlling it, then i slowly ventured out to traffic lights, main roads, freeways, etc etc.

also id recomend against buying a 125 or 250 cc, because they can actually be death traps in that they dont have enough acceleration/power to manuever around obstacles or crashes. on the freeways they struggle to get up to speed etc. your actually much safer on a bike witha bit more power because you can maneuver around things and avoid stuff alot better.

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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #13229975 - 09/22/10 03:02 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with much of what dosile is saying.

I disagree with not using the rear brake.  Every time you brake, use both breaks.  Aim for 60/40 or 70/30 front to rear brake (most pressure on front brake, that's where most of your stopping power is).

BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN IT'S WET OUTSIDE.  I took my first (and only major) spill trying to turn slight right/make a corner and it didn't work out.  When it's wet outside, adjust your numbers.  Drive slower, turn slower (and not as deep), brake slower and more deliberately, etc.

You never realize how serious falling off of a bike is until it happens.  It's really easy to slide into oncoming or adjacent traffic and get run over, which I imagine is a terrible way to die.

Just take it fucking easy man.  The best drivers are those people who give themselves extra time to get from place to place.  NEVER RUSH ON YOUR BIKE.  Also, ALWAYS be looking 2-3 seconds ahead of where you're at at all times.

It's really easy to not get into a bike accident - imagine and observe for potential hazards EVERYWHERE.  Expect a car to land out of the sky Speed Racer style if that's what it takes.  Never become complacent.

It's also a lot of fun man.  One of those life experiences I think is really important to have.

I can't wait until they invent capsule-bikes where you're basically lying down on the thing a-la The World's Fastest Indian, only you're surrounded by poly-carbonate and metal, protecting you against crashes.


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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: Humility]
    #13229984 - 09/22/10 03:12 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

but then it wouldnt be a motorbike it woudl be a motorbubble.

i sitll say steer clear of the back brake, because its dangerous, its really easy to lock the back wheel with the ammount of pressure u can place on the brake with ur foot, and a shock reaction will do just that, stamping on the brake like in a car. the front brake does well over 80% maybe even 90% of the work for you anyway. feather the back brake dont stamp on it !

ive locked up the back wheel on my bike in the wet before when i was getting a light in one of those situations where its "to far to go through it, but too close to stop" and hesitated and brakes hard, the back wheel came out to full lock which was about 100ish degree angle with the front of the bike. scary stuff. i didnt crash tho because my instincts took over and i released the brakes and applied heavily but carefully and stopped in time. afterwards i thought about it and was fuck that was so dangerous.


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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: Newbie]
    #13230006 - 09/22/10 03:30 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

In the training program you will probably be told that you should use both brakes and the reasoning is because: if your front brakes are 85-90% of braking power, and the rear 10-15%, it is only reasonable that you learn to use the full braking potential of the motorcycle. I personally would never isolate front/rear braking except for training purposes (to get a feel for how much potential each brake has).. always use both imo..

dont ride next to vehicles, only behind or in front of.

watch out for intersections, and areas where cars could possibly pull in front of you. these are everywhere, and Always assume a car in such a lane is Going to pull in front of you.

dont race to red lights, when you get semi near, begin to slow down. you dont want to skid into an intersection because you miscalculated the stopping distance.

like others said, and although its very hard: try not to race everywhere. Ride Safe, dont sacrifice safety for speed.

Invest in Good gear.. spend a good 500-1000$ on gear that will protect you from the road and the elements, and dont ride without it. Boots, Jacket, gloves, full-helm are a must imo... motorcycle pants, knee guards are up to you. sunglasses are very important too, let me tell you. reflective stuff is good. make sure its stuff that fits well and is not going to make you hate the ride or the protection. there are so many options out there, dont skimp out. Pay WELL to protect yourself and for your comfort.

in the rain, ride slow, give yourself double the stopping distance. dont turn quickly, though you wont want to anyways. watch out for oil slicks (always)

learn to countersteer and hard brake... practice this when you ride.

learn beforehand the limitations of your bike, acceleration speed, braking potential, so you dont have to find out in an emergency situation. take time to learn about your blindspots and minimize them

maintain your bike, and make sure your tire pressure is accurate, life of tires, life of brakes... etc.. do checks on your brakelights/turn signals/horn often to make sure they arent dead for some reason

fill up on gas often so you dont run out on the freeway, that would be a stupid way to die.

try not to get too used to any one ride. try and take new routes. once you get used to shit, you start to ride more comfortably, and if something changes on a route where you would expect you could blaze, you could fuck yourself. ride like its a new experience every time.

Find some killer canyon trails and fucking own them!!!

Getting on a bike is one of the funnest things ever. youre gonna have a blast. ride safe man.

Edited by ManianFH (09/22/10 03:39 AM)

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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: ManianFH]
    #13230017 - 09/22/10 03:37 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

again i agree with all the above bar the back brake.

honestly plz dont use the back break to start out it is very easy to lock the back wheel and very easy to get yourself into a crash situation.

me personally i like to play with the back break and skid the wheel a bit when stopping at lights or skid it out a little bit, but thats a controlled skid. i also like to raise the back wheel in the air a bit when i stop at lights sometimes cos im a show poney. but ive had lots of practice at it and can do it safely.


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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #13230199 - 09/22/10 06:50 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the advice guys.  I've heard a lot of it before; I studied that book religiously lol.  My issue was my grip on the throttle.  It was too far up and I revved too hard and neglected the clutch.  My buddy had these pegs on the bike that kept the body from getting scratched so his bike still looks good.  :lol: 

During the bike control section of the class the instructor asked "What do you guys think is the single most important control on the bike.  I said clutch, everyone else said brakes.  I nailed that question.  If I'd have used the clutch I most likely wouldn't have dropped his bike. 

My plan is to get a 2008 Ninja 250r, which is said to be a very forgiving bike for beginners.  I'll practice in the lots first, ease out to street riding, and hopefully highway riding by spring, as the bike will be my main transportation to work.




I'm open to any other tips.  As with anything I learn, I love hearing input from others.  :grin:

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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: Newbie]
    #13230360 - 09/22/10 08:10 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

yeah those thingos they put onto the fenders, i dont know what their called but yeah when you drop the bike it lands on them and doesnt break your paint/fenders. those are a really good investment because reality is your going to drop it once or twice accidentally taking off or stopping at some point, but its alright it doesnt hurt you or anything and youll learn from it.

handle grips, the way i do it is knuckles forward on the grips, so this has a double benefit in that you can reach the brake easier and it limits how heavily u can rev the throttle without adjusting your hand position. if you wanna go balls to the walls then hand position as far back as you can so you can wind it out alot more.

the new kawasakis are sexy as hell but in my book thats about all it has going for it. i really think youd be better off with a 400 or 600, and driving it RESPECTFULLY. because the 250s really dont have enough high end power as i said they struggle on the freeways etc etc. plus the 400/600 is so much better value, u will be bored with ur 250 with in a few weeks if not a month and will already be wishing you hadve got a bigger bike. its safer, better value, better fun, in my view its better in everyway.

i also have a kawasaki, zxr400, really old one, and kawasakis are good but the best bikes are really made by suzuki and yamaha , then honda, then kawasaki. kawasakis are still great but yeah suzuki and yamaha are the way to go (excluding things like choppers and ducatis and the other really expensive italian bike which i cant remember the name of). suzuki/yamaha have more top end power, and hondas have more mid range. top end is what you want really, because it cruises nice from the start and you get to unleash the beast as well at the top end which is the :awesome: part about riding a bike.

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its a jap imported racing bike, the thing goes heaps good for a 400, you should hear the sound of it, just a raw beast before they put it all of these noise and polution restrictions.


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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #13230404 - 09/22/10 08:29 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I still think a 250 is more appropriate.  I read a FAQ that gives advice on a first bike for a newb.  http://forums.sportrider.com/70/591801/new-riders/new-riders-please-read-this-updated/index.html


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4. “I Don’t Want a Bike I’ll Outgrow”: Please. Did your Momma put you in size 9 shoes at age 2? Get with the program. It is far better to maximize the performance of a smaller motorcycle and get “bored" with it than it is to mess-up your really fast bike (not mention messing yourself up) and not being able to ride at all. Power is nothing without control.

5. “I Don’t Want to Waste Money on a Bike I’ll Only Have for a Short Period of Time” (i.e. cost): Smaller, used bikes have and retain good resale value. This is because other sane people will want them as learner bikes. You’ll prolly be able to sell a used learner bike for as much as you paid for it. If you can't afford to upgrade in a year or two, then you definitely can't afford to wreck the bike your dreaming about. At the very least, most new riders drop bikes going under 20MPH, when the bike is at its most unstable periods. If you drop your brand new bike, fresh off the showroom floor, while your learning (and you will), you've just broken a directional, perhaps a brake or clutch lever, cracked / scrapped the fairings ($300.00 each to replace), messed-up the engine casing, messed-up the bar ends, etc. It's better and cheaper to drop a used bike that you don’t care about than one you just spent $8,500 on. Fortunately, most of these types of accidents do not result in serious physical injury. It’s usually just a big dent in your pride and…




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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: Newbie]
    #13230437 - 09/22/10 08:42 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

You guys should check out "Proficient Motorcycling," by David Hough.  This guy really knows his shit, and constantly revisiting his work has made me a much safer rider.  Riding a motorcycle IS dangerous, but there are a great number of things you can do just by altering your behavior that will greatly lower the risk you take by riding a motorcycle.


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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: scienceguy]
    #13230443 - 09/22/10 08:47 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I'm also ordering a copy of "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Motorcycles".  I've read that it has a fuckton of info from history, to operation, and even some maintenance.  I want to get to a point where I know what's wrong with the bike and what steps I need to take to fix it.  I asked my buddy again what size his 4 wheeler engine was again and it turns out it's like a 350cc, much higher than I thought.  Within 10 minutes of riding it, I was zipping up and down the gravel road in front of his cabin at about 45-50mph, and it felt really fucking nice.  I know once I get the hang of 2 wheels I'll love it just as much, if not more than the 4 wheeler rides down at the cabin.  :grin:

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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: Newbie]
    #13230454 - 09/22/10 08:54 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

the thing i learned when i compared prices of 250s to 400/600, it really wasnt that much more expensive to purchase the 400/600. and its better in every way. i understand your learning and dont want to get some crazy ass motorcycle that is going to flip you over backwards if u even touch the throttle, but its really not like that. sure these bikes have more power at the higher end of the scale, but at the lower end i.e taking off and the lesser part of the rev range is just like a 250, and you can shift up into a higher gear before you hit the power band, or even just accelerate through the higher areas in a controlled manner as opposed to just ripping the throttle and just 'holding on to the bars'.

its safe to ride a 400/600 as your first bike as long as you ride it safely and dont get crazy with it. obviously dont be aggressive with the throttle till your used to it, dont be aggressive with the brakes as well untill your used to it. and work your way up. its far more rewarding and you wont become sick of your bike within a few weeks and wish you got a better one once youve learned to ride and realised your 250 really isnt all that flash.

but thats my opinion, and honestly if i had my time over again i would have bought the 600 to start out. its like how they say learner drivers arent allowed to drive faster cars because they cant handle it, its the exact same thing, if you be careful with the car and drive it cautiously its no problem, if you start getting crazy with it and trying to do hand brake turns and drift corners and excessive speeding etc, youll get into trouble.





maintenance takes a bit to learn, and the thing is you need all these special tools and stuff as well cos they have like pentagon nut bolts on them and stuff. im no good with the mechanical side of things i let the shops do that, haha. the only stuff i do is like clean and lube up the chain, which is easy you just spray stuff on it like a spray can, and also pump up the tires. i also put in a new battery once and that was pushing my limits but yeah.


and yeah , if you like 4 wheeler your going to love motorbikes dude. its so much more maneuverable and fluid. its just great.


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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: Newbie]
    #13230465 - 09/22/10 08:57 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Two wheels is the way to go.  I rode bicycles for years, and still spend most of my time on them, but when I hit a moto for the first time it was like a whole different, much lazier, much faster world.

I've ridden a half dozen bikes or so, but the only one I've actually ever owned I've never ridden.  I just got a garage space again, after not having one for almost 3 years.  Last weekend I got my motorcycle from my parent's house about an hour away, so the reassembly can begin...

I've rebuilt the engine (including a whole new cylinder sleeve), transmission, suspension, clutch, final drive gear, and literally totally disassembled the frame to paint it.  I've also redone the gauge cluster and made some other modifications to the bike.  I've gotten the frame sanded down and primer-ed, and now it's just ready to get painted and put back together.  I need maybe 500 bucks or so to get it really hooched out (new tires, SS brake lines, LED taillights & side markers) and for other odds and ends to get it finished, but hopefully by next summer I'll be rolling my own motorcycle at last. 

All this pedaling can make ya tired...


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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: scienceguy]
    #13230472 - 09/22/10 08:59 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

ask this guy for mechanical advice newbie :laugh:


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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #13230483 - 09/22/10 09:03 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I'll have a clearer plan of action when I complete this course.  If I do okay on their bikes, I'm thinking of a CBR or a gixxer 600, but the thing that scares me IS the power.  I had ZERO intention of driving my buddy's bike over 10mph in the parking lot.  I eased off the clutch, felt it grip, then listened to the sound of the bike.  It sounded like it was going to stall out, so I gave it more gas.  I lost balance and tipped over, gripping the throttle for dear life and in turn revving it even faster.  If my buddy hadn't come over to hit the kill switch my foot might not be here anymore lol.  Even though I know the theory behind the operation, I made every newb mistake in the book and still dropped it.

Which brings me to my next point.  I was nervous because it was his bike, not my own.  I wasn't worried about my safety; we were in a parking lot with proper gear, I had my permit, and he's an experienced rider.  Maybe when I OWN a bike it'll be different.  I won't be as afraid to drop it because it's mine.  We'll see how the class goes, but I'm really beginning to teeter on 250 or 600.

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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: Newbie]
    #13230497 - 09/22/10 09:09 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

How much different is riding a street bike than a YZF 250cc? I was so comfortable on my 250 Ihad not a care in the world. Yet the power was gripping, it was quite orgasmic to ride...


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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: Newbie]
    #13230512 - 09/22/10 09:14 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

yeah i know totally what you mean. it start to stall so you think more throttle, but yeah the clutch was your saving grace in that situation. pull the clutch in and the engine will never stall. cos you can just let it out and take off again, unfortunately the mistake you made was trying to give it alot of throttle quickly, and as the bike takes off you get pulled back and it makes you wind the throttle more, and you lose control of the bike.

the thing is the faster you go the more stable the bike is, the way the bike is engineered, the forces from it moving push the bike upright, thats why when exiting a corner you can wind the throttle on and the bike will stand up naturally. at low speeds the bike is least stable and more prone to tipping or wobbling a bit etc. there you just need good balance and dont do this but back brake control also helps with slow speed balance and stands the bike up.

i admit the power can be scary, but thats the thrill of hte bike my friend. you will learn to love it. once you get confident on it and you ring it out for the first time i guarantee there will be a smile on your face from ear to ear.

and the thing is, the power is only as scary as you make it. carefully rolling on the throttle is fine , the bike will only accelerate as fast as you make it. so if you rip the throttle ofcourse the thing is going to take off, but if you deliver the power slowly and cautiously then it wont take off it will just cruise nicely.

so you want to be as smooth and fluid with the controls of the bike. no quick darting motions just slow steady controlled motions.

also whenever you drop down to a slowish speed, just put your feet off the pegs and close to the ground so you can be ready for when it stops and it wont tip on you cos youll be ready for it and catch it with your feet.

its all just practice mate , youll get used to it, i know after an experience like that the thought of buying a bigger bike is intimidating, but these are just kinks in your technique you need to iron out. once you get the handle of taking off, cruising and maintaining speed, proper shifting etc, and being comfortable in situations like that to either roll the throttle on slowly or grab the clutch, then youll be set.

another area you want to practice in is braking. read up on locking the brakes and how to avoid it because you can get into a bit of trouble if you lock the brakes up. as i said slow but increasingly firm application of brakes and if it locks disengage straight away and re-engage to stop the lock and again begin slowing down.

id recomend a gixxer 600 or r6. TOP BIKES. like really great. cbr is also great too, but id say the two first place runners are definately gixxer 600 or r6.


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    #13230521 - 09/22/10 09:17 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: Newbie]
    #13230524 - 09/22/10 09:17 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Good on you for taking the MSF course.  I started riding on my brother in law's 250cc Honda Rebel. 

   


Then I took the MSF course, bought a 1000cc retired cop bike (KZ1000), decided it was a hunk of junk and way too heavy/tall, and currently own a 2004 Kawasaki Vulcan 800cc.  From personal experience, I would state that the 250cc will definitely be the best choice to learn on, but if you plan on riding your bike on the highway, you will probably want a 400cc or larger.  You want to match power with power, so if you'll be cruising along at 55mph+ with other large vehicles around you, a 250cc bike may not be powerful enough to "get out of the way" quick enough when it becomes necessary.

Not driving under the influence is exceptionally important on a bike... your awareness and attention will help keep you out of trouble.  Frankly, I enjoy a little bit of pot on a daily basis and that is one of the reasons I'm thinking of selling my Vulcan 800 since I hardly ever use it anymore!  Not to mention, driving around Los Angeles is a pretty stressful experience on a bike.  When I move out into the country, I'll be all over riding on two wheels again... but in the city amidst millions of other stressed out oblivious commuters and poorly maintained roads, I've found my desire to ride my bike nearly non-existent.

 


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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: geokills]
    #13230540 - 09/22/10 09:22 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

nice bikes, i love the look of the orange honda. i prefer sports bikes over cruisers personally, cos i liek the riding position and feel of the bike better but to each their own.

thats also really true too. im not condoning drink driving, but i can drive safely easily in a car when im intoxicated, but i never hop on my bike when im intoxicated because you really need a high level of co-ordination and cocentration to ride it properly and safely. but thats why alot of people enjoy it so much because its a challenge to ride it and once you master it its a really rewarding feeling.

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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: Newbie]
    #13230552 - 09/22/10 09:29 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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I eased off the clutch, felt it grip, then listened to the sound of the bike.  It sounded like it was going to stall out, so I gave it more gas.  I lost balance and tipped over, gripping the throttle for dear life and in turn revving it even faster.  If my buddy hadn't come over to hit the kill switch my foot might not be here anymore lol.




Never mind the foot.  Your buddy didn't take your head off? :lol:

When my son was 7, I bought him a honda 100 to learn on.  He rode it until he outgrew it and then it rusted behind the barn for years.  When he got back from Iraq at age 25, he bought a brand new Harley and took off with no problems, even though he hadn't been on a bike in 15 years. 

Get something small, and learn to 'feather' the clutch.  If the bike starts to stall, don't give more gas. . .instead, ease back into the clutch.  It's a dancing act between the throttle and clutch.  Once you get the feel for it, you'll be able to ride everything from a dirt bike to a crotch rocket without trouble.
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    #13230560 - 09/22/10 09:33 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

:lol:  He knows how to fix bikes and he had some crash pegs on it so it was ok.  He even said, he wouldn't have let me ride it if he didn't expect me to drop it.  I still remember the look on his face though.  :picard:

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    #13230573 - 09/22/10 09:39 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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ask this guy for mechanical advice newbie :laugh:





Sure thing.  I have a few ASE certs in auto mechanics too.

I think one of the most important things you can do when learning to ride a motorcycle or a bicycle, is get one that feels comfortable.  If you don't feel balanced or stable on it, or like turning the handlebars would be difficult during low speed maneuvering, look at a different style of bike.  You can always get that Ducati Monster after you figure out what the fuck you're doing dropping your Honda Shadow over and over.

One more thing about the crotch rockets...  A few years back, a motorcycle journalist took a BOX STOCK crotch rocket, equipped it with an oil pan to meet regulations, and entered into a world class level circuit race.  With his stock bike, competing with some of the most heavily funded racing development teams, he still managed to place in the top 25 in a field of 200.  Respect the power, and realize you're basically piloting an engine with wheels.


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    #13230578 - 09/22/10 09:43 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

yeah dude. the high end bikes are crazy fast. i think the gsxr 1000 or it might be the hayabusa (1300cc) gets from like 0-200 km p/hr in like 9 seconds ?!?! like warp speed styles.


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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: Newbie]
    #13230855 - 09/22/10 11:18 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i dont personally agree with dosileflynn on a few points.

1. practice using both brakes, never just one or the other. As a beginner you should be focused on technique and not on teaching yourself bad habits. The back wheel is harder to lock than you think, and generally happens during a hard brake + downshift. When slowing to a stop its better to use the full braking potential of the bike.

2. the ninja 250r is an excellent choice for a beginner bike. when ran in the high rpm range (which the bike is geared to do) it has enough power to safely travel in freeway situations. Its also smart to learn safe riding technique in traffic situations rather than relying on the bikes power to get you out of a jam. Yes, you may be bored with it after a summer, but its better to be bored on a 250r rather than dead on a zx6r


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    #13231222 - 09/22/10 12:45 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Yes, you may be bored with it after a summer, but its better to be bored on a 250r rather than dead on a zx6r




No, you can kill yourself riding a moped going 20 miles an hour.  There's no difference with engine size..

In fact, you should be essentially safer on a bigger bike, because hopefully you respect the power and not abuse it.  By you going to a MSC tells me you are planning on being a safe operator.

One thing I recommend for you to consider when buying your first bike is to not base your decision on a smaller engine because you're a "Newb"(pun intended), but rather you should look to get a bike you can grow into, instead of grow out of. There is always debate on this matter of what to buy for your first bike.  I was told this by more than one experienced rider(riding for over 30 years).

My first bike was an 1100 Yamaha.  I never drove a mc in my life before that.  I am so happy I listened to those experienced riders by not buying a smaller bike.  I'm still comfortable riding it after almost 4 years.  I've grown into it, it has plenty of power for me, and I still love riding it 33,000 miles later.

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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: MadSeasonAbove]
    #13231343 - 09/22/10 01:22 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

whoa hold on there, lets look at the stats


zx6r: 114 hp, ~480lbs, top speed speed of 165mph, 3.2 second 0-60mph

250r: 33hp, ~450lbs, top speed 105mph, 5.75 second 0-60mph

thats like giving someone with a toothache some heroin over a vicodin and saying: "here this way you wont get bored"

the 250r is not only a much safer and forgiving ride for a beginner but its still quicker than 70% of the traffic you'll encounter. you wouldnt place an inexperienced driver into a ferrari, and imo you shouldnt put an inexperienced rider on a super sport bike.


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    #13231683 - 09/22/10 02:37 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I disagree somewhat with the 250 argument. A 600 is not such a fast bike that youll pop wheelies by accident on it. I like the idea of starting out on a medium bike (250-small,600-med,-1100+ large) because you get an option of power that can be very useful in certain situations.

As geokills said: at 55mph+ with other large vehicles around you, a 250cc bike may not be powerful enough to "get out of the way" quick enough when it becomes necessary.

If you are on the freeway at 70mph and notice a car coming behind you at 80-90 with no intention of stopping, you either get out of the way or speed up (then safely get out of the way). Most often you dont have time for option a, and if youre riding a 250, option b is near impossible with the amount of time you have. Same goes at a stoplight. If youre in deadstop traffic or a redlight engaged in first (as you should be), and someone comes blazing behind you, a 600 is going to have the better takeoff as you split lanes to avoid the collision.

just my opinion. first bike i owned was a harley 883, then a ninja600. the 600 is perfect amount of power for me, though sometimes id like to have a little more.

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zx6r: 114 hp, ~480lbs, top speed speed of 165mph, 3.2 second 0-60mph

250r: 33hp, ~450lbs, top speed 105mph, 5.75 second 0-60mph

with great power comes great responsibility (as we learned from spiderman), but in an emergency situation on a motorcycle, every second, half seconds, and even quarter seconds count. Its good to have the option.


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Re: Just returned from my first Motorcycle Safety Class [Re: ManianFH]
    #13232561 - 09/22/10 06:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Also, do yourself a favor and get some stainless steel brake lines.  A 600 pound bike will use almost 100 feet less to stop from 60mph with stainless lines versus normal ones.  They're pretty cheap, and a pretty easy installation job if you're interested in getting your mechanic's gloves a little dirty on something straightforward.

Learning to use both of your brakes at once creates a habit that will ultimately keep you safer than only learning to use one aspect of the braking system.  It is true that about 80 percent of your stopping power comes from up front, but 20 percent can be an awful lot of stopping power to need, depending on the context.  By learning to effectively use both brakes in a balanced, controlled manner, you develop the habit of always dual-braking and the skill of proportioning brake power between front and rear.  Having this skill makes emergency braking maneuvers a natural extension of your normal braking technique, not an unfamiliar maneuver to learn in your newly developed emergency situation.


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    #13232608 - 09/22/10 06:25 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I've had my license since 07 and havent been on a bike since,ugh...i need a job.


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    #13233590 - 09/22/10 09:38 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

ok so i do agree now with the back brake arguement. use the bikes full braking potential but be very cautious with the back brake. it really is easy to lock it up with a light stamp onto the pedal as a panic'd reaction.

i still stand by the 600 though. and those statistics that are quoted sure the bike can get to 60 and 120 mph fast, but the bike will only go as fast as you make it. those figures are quoted by people going balls to the walls full throttle, obviously newbie being a cautious and prudent rider isnt going to be doing that right away untill hes comfortable with controlling the bike. the 600 is better value and more rewarding in my opinion.  but it seems there are other opinions also present here so its up to you to weigh up which opinion sways you more. which ever bike you get you will be happy.


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    #13236914 - 09/23/10 04:29 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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yeah dude. the high end bikes are crazy fast. i think the gsxr 1000 or it might be the hayabusa (1300cc) gets from like 0-200 km p/hr in like 9 seconds ?!?! like warp speed styles.




I'm on my second 'Busa.  I had the original, unrestricted 200mph (320kph) 1999 model.  I put 70K miles on it but someone still went to the trouble of stealing it.

My '08 is crazy powerful too (more powerful than the '99) but they've evened out the power delivery.  I don't frighten myself anymore if I give it too much of a twist.

I don't speed around very much, but that acceleration is the tits.  I go through back tires (tyres) like they're going out of style.  Chains, brake pads, and wheel bearings too :grin:


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    #13243581 - 09/25/10 04:19 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I have my first ride in about an hour.  Today we get on the hogs and putt around the parking lot course.  :crazy:

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    #13244426 - 09/25/10 11:07 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Holy shit that was exhausting.  I was shaky at first.  I was afraid of the throttle and balance, but by the 2nd exercise where we actually rode I got extremely comfortable with it.  Toward the end I started getting tired and dehydrated, and that directly reflected on my performance.  We had to get into 2nd gear then come to a stop when he put his hands up.  I kept stalling it and missed a few marks when we turned around. 

Bottom line:  I didn't drop the bike, and I have a lot more confidence in myself about this whole thing.  I don't think I really deserve a license yet by any means, I might elect to take the course over again in the spring.  I have 2 more classes left; one is the written test, the next is more practice followed by the driving test.

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    #13247368 - 09/25/10 11:36 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

pull the clutch in and ull never stall. and with the balance dont worry about that if you keep the bike with constant throttle or accelerating it will balance itself, the only time you really have to balance is when theres no throttles and ur just rolling the bike.


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    #13247426 - 09/25/10 11:54 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I've never driven a motorcycle.  It seems like it would be really fun and freeing.  Plus you save on gas. 












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    #13247432 - 09/25/10 11:58 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

ive put 3,000 mmiles on my motorcycle since july 15th . 2 wheels and in the wind ftw..and i ride a honda shadow 750 custom btw

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    #13248395 - 09/26/10 08:40 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

its the best man seriously. it works out better in nearly everyway - except for the danger of it. its more fun, more rewarding, more engaging, more economical, also has ALOT more power and sex appeal with the ladies :smile:.

but like the power is crazy dude for 10 grand you can get a bike that will run with supercars.

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