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Medicinal Mushrooms I
    #1322709 - 02/20/03 11:54 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)


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Mushrooms have been valued throughout the world as both food and medicine for thousands of years. Throughout the world, many people enjoy hunting for wild mushrooms, delighting in the variety of shapes, sizes, and colors exhibited by these "flowers of the fall." Europeans have always appreciated the gastronomic value of wild mushrooms. In Japan, pushcart vendors on the streets still sell medicinal mushrooms to the average citizen who uses them to maintain health and promote longevity. Some Japanese people have even been said to travel hundreds of miles in order to collect wild mushrooms that only grow on very old plum trees--such as the Reishi--renowned as a cure for cancer and degenerative diseases. Likewise, for over 3,000 years the Chinese have used and revered many fungi for their health-giving properties, especially tonics for the immune system (Bo and Yun-sun, 1980; Yun-Chang, 1985). To the Yoruba of southwestern Nigeria a number of fungi became an important part of their mythology and medical practice (Oso, 1977).

Mushrooms may also be the perfect food for staying trim and healthy. A recent "letter from the editor" in the Nutrition Action newsletter (September, 1994) from the Center for Science in the Public Interest mentioned that up to 1/3 of the U.S. population are overweight. Because fats occur in mushrooms in minor amounts, especially compared with protein and carbohydrates, and the fatty fraction consists predominantly of unsaturated fatty acids such as linoleic acid, they may be the perfect food for losing weight and maintaining a healthy heart and cardiovascular system.

When it comes to mushrooms, most Americans and inhabitants of the British Isles are rather ignorant. Many people in the United States have a distinct dislike, even a fear, of fungi--a phenomenon that may be called "fungophobia"--a term coined by Hay (1887). Rolfe and Rolfe wrote about the distinctly unsavory view of which the British view mushrooms and mushroom hunters, in their delightful Romance of the Fungus World (1925). Generally, the first association wild mushrooms bring to mind here is "poisonous." The principal edible mushroom most Americans know is the bland Agaricus bisporus (Lange) Sing., or "button mushroom" found in supermarkets. It has little flavor and negligible medicinal value compared with other wild species. In fact, it can even be unhealthful in the sense that it may be heavily sprayed with malathion and other pesticides (many commercially cultivated mushrooms are among the most heavily sprayed items in the vegetable section). The button mushroom may also have cancer-causing properties when eaten continuously, though exactly how potent this effect might be in humans is not clear. See the section on this common mushroom on page xx for further details.

In recent years other cultivated species such as the oyster mushroom and shiitake have begun to appear in markets.

Happily, however, there are signs that these narrow-minded attitudes in the United States and England are changing and catching up with the rest of the world. The spreading popularity of natural foods is one factor that has helped re-awaken interest in mushrooms and mushroom-hunting. Another factor is the recent growth of the mushroom-export business, which has been boosted by troubles in Europe. Due to acid rain, sprawling development, and industrial accidents such as the one at Chernobyl, millions of acres of mushroom habitat in Europe and Russia have been disturbed, and many species of wild mushrooms are becoming scarce (Cherfas, 1991).

Europe imports thousands of pounds of chanterelles and boletus each year. The high price these traditional gastronomic delights bring creates a good supplementary income for knowledgeable gatherers in the United States. Indeed, wild or home cultivation may soon become viable cottage industries in the Pacific Northwest, which has the forest habitats and substantial rainfall needed for such ventures. Cultivation as a home business may be preferable to the recent problems that are surfacing in the Pacific Northwest among professional and itinerant pickers alike--namely squabbling over mushroom patches on public lands. A newspaper article told of teams of professional pickers using walkie-talkies to coordinate harvests and mentioned that they can become upset when other pickers strayed into what they considered their turf. In response to the increased harvesting pressure, quotas were recently set in the Mt. Hood National Forest (McRae, 1993). For books and supplies for the cultivation of edible and medicinal mushrooms, see the appendix.

Finally, Japanese products containing LEM, a polysaccharide-rich extract from the shiitake mushroom and similar extracts from maitake are currently undergoing trials in Japan and the U.S. to test their effectiveness in treating various forms of cancer. They show promise for treating people suffering from various forms of cancer and AIDS and are currently in strong demand in Japan. Commercial shiitake cultivators in the U.S., Canada, and in parts of Asia are decidedly interested in this new potential market and are starting large cultivation efforts, hoping the demand will continue to grow as further scientific studies are conducted. At present, pharmaceutical and nutraceutical products from mushrooms may be worth more than 1.2 billion dollars U.S.

Wei Qi Soup for Building Immune Strength
Directions:
Fill a pot 2/3 full with purified or spring water, then add:

Astragalus membranaceus (5-7 sticks)
Ganoderma lucidum (reishi) (1 medium)
any other tonifying mushrooms 2-3
Slightly sprouted beans (1/4-1/2 cup)
(aduki, black, etc.)
Bring water to boil, simmer for 20 minutes, then add:
Organic barley (1/2-1 cup)
(choose amount depending on thickness desired)
Simmer another 20 minutes, then add favorite vegetables such as:
carrots & celery
beet tops (or chard, collards, mustard greens, etc.)
cabbage
potatoes (optional)
sea vegetables (nori, kelp, wakame, etc.)
gobo (i.e., burdock root)
nettles or other wild greens (when available)
garlic & onions

Simmer until the vegetables are tender, then add miso and spices such as ginger, celery, or fennel seed. Make enough for a few days and store it in the refrigerator.

Indications and Dosage: During illness, when solid food is not desirable, drink 3-4 cups of the warm broth (add less barley and more water to make broth). For degenerative immune conditions, eat 1-2 small bowls per day, and drink the broth as desired. For autoimmune diseases such as allergies, lupus, diabetes, and hepatitis accompanied by fatigue, weakness, or autoimmune conditions, eat the soup when desired, or drink the broth. This soup can be used upon occasion (1-2 times per week) for general tonification and may help to increase stamina.

Table 1: Sources of Medicinal Fungi
Table 2: Use Summary of Major Medicinal Mushrooms: Arranged by Species
Table 3: Medicinal Mushroom Uses: Arranged by Symptom or Condition

Resources
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RECOMMENDED READING LIST
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Medicinal Mushrooms by Christopher Hobbs
Kombucha by Christopher Hobbs
Manual on Mushroom Cultivation by Peter Oei.
Mushrooms in the Garden by Helmut Steineck.
The Shiitake Growers Handbook by P. Przlbylowicz and J. Donoghue.
The Mushroom Cultivator by P. Stamets and J. Chilton.
Growing Shiitake Mushrooms in a Continental Climate by Mary Ellen Kozak and J. Krawczyk.
Cultivating Edible Fungi by P.J. Wuest.

IDENTIFICATION

Mushrooms Demystified by David Arora.
All That the Rain Promises and More by David Arora.

PRODUCTS
Rainbow Light Herbal Systems
Caplets

Reishi Supercomplex
Deep Defense
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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: Ripple] * 1
    #1322858 - 02/21/03 12:59 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Excellent. Reishi = soup base. I was just looking at quart of dried reishi and thinking what will I do with this. There is no way I'm going to drink this much tea.


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: falcon]
    #1325852 - 02/22/03 12:47 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

There are many as yet undiscovered properties in fungi of use in medicine.The work with psilocybin in OCD is promising,and anecdotaly I have heard of several other medical uses including my own, controling Atrial Fibrillation. A monthly sub-psychoactive dose controls my condition completly,giving me a steady synchronized atrial/ventrical pulse.This is something medicine can only achieve at present with a dangerous surgery called the MAZE procedure.
Other interesting uses for fungal medicines are wound tinctures w/shittake and oyster mushrooms which seem to stimulate healing and prevent infection in dirty wound conditions.
I pray that this research continues as these fascinating yet meek allies are amazingly powerful. WR


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: whiterasta] * 1
    #1325933 - 02/22/03 01:56 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I take a periodic sub-psychoactive dose of psilocybin to control my problem with alcohol abuse. I still drink recreationally but not the massive amounts I did prior to using psilocybin.


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: Ripple]
    #1326374 - 02/22/03 07:03 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

That was really great!  Thank you!

Please tell me what book it came from, and I think I will go buy it. :smile: 


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: whiterasta]
    #1326635 - 02/22/03 09:41 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

It has also been used as a very effective treatment for Cluster Headaches. A cripplingly painfull disorder similar to extreme migranes.


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: falcon]
    #17933928 - 03/10/13 11:52 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I'm in dyer need of reishi spores due to the history of cancerous tumors in my family but I have verry little money to get them how do I go about getting some for cheap if you know PM me please and thank you


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: spaceman101]
    #17934347 - 03/11/13 01:24 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

This thread is 10 years old.

You can buy reishi supplements online,
or if you want to grow from culture/spores there are lots of vendors that have what you need.

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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: FoxFire]
    #17972811 - 03/18/13 03:26 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

(I may be a bit off topic and forgive me if i am but it seemed rather ok to post here seeing as how this involved medicinal mushrooms and bad trips from psilocybin) ........I read on another web page online about a possible synergy between reishi mushrooms and psilocybin. I am a regular user of reishi and i enjoy the mysticism of magic m, every now and then, so as to not build a tolerance. Reishi to me has always been extremely helpful when ever i smoke cannabis because i always seem to experience mild paranoia from it. Theres something about reishi that keeps me completely at ease, however, reishi does seems to enhance the OEVS and CEVS that i get from mj even though i feel perfectly calm as mentioned. My question is, would both mushrooms have synergy if taken together? Could this be perhaps a way to prevent a "bad trip" in a way? I am very interested in trying this combo but wanted some feed back from some experienced users first. Anything will be much appreciated thanx!!! :mushroom2:


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: Dormamu]
    #17974155 - 03/18/13 10:23 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Idk man. They list it as an antidote to poison mushrooms along with other ganodermas.
  Sometimes when I trip I get that "I've been poisoned" feeling. Maybe it'd smooth it out...


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #17974890 - 03/19/13 01:00 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Yea maybe it will make the ride a bit easier to handle  :jiggletits: I will experiment and post if effects are significant.


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: whiterasta]
    #27435707 - 08/20/21 05:40 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Cluster Headache relief.

https://clusterbusters.org

Suicide or Psychedlics. Bob Wold on Cluster Headacche relief.


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27436014 - 08/20/21 10:41 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

You resurrect an 18 year old thread to post a relatively unrelated video that belongs in a different forum entirely?

:babypalm:


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: Forrester]
    #27436432 - 08/21/21 04:36 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Forrester said:
You resurrect an 18 year old thread to post a relatively unrelated video that belongs in a different forum entirely?

:babypalm:




I didn't see the date. I am terrible sorry.

The video was realted to a comment that I thought I saw about the various medical benefits of psychedlics. I used to suffer from these horribly and thanks oo what's described in the video, don't.

I also had major chemo, have chemo brain, and miss stuff from the cognitive destruction.

I am here exploring what medicinal mushrooms I might grow.

Again, sorry. Never mind., I'll just go back to cult.


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27436878 - 08/21/21 03:33 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Not a big deal man, I was just joking

The original post I think was about Reishi, but 2 posts later was already off topic, and literally nobody cares if you derail an 18 year old thread anyway :lol:

There is a whole forum on Psychedelic Medicine, Research & Microdosing where your video might fit a lot better if you wanna check that out though :smile:


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: Forrester]
    #27436892 - 08/21/21 03:53 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Not a big deal man, I was just joking

The original post I think was about Reishi, but 2 posts later was already off topic, and literally nobody cares if you derail an 18 year old thread anyway :lol:

There is a whole forum on Psychedelic Medicine, Research & Microdosing where your video might fit a lot better if you wanna check that out though :smile:





Thanks, Forrester. I am glad you were joking. Sometimes it is really a drag to know what you were capable of and no longer are due to the impact of health vectors.:sad:
And it took a while not to be a completely annoying noob, of which I tend to be less.

I have been to the Psychedelic Medicine thread. If it pops up in "my threads," I check.

I really am in this thread to learn about Medicinal Mushrooms and the cultivation thereof. Ironically, I have a good distribution channel already in place here and now just have to grow them. About which I now know slightly less than nothing. I am researching first a species that is forgiving and hopefully robust in yields. :shrug:

Thanks for letting me down off the ledge.


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27437096 - 08/21/21 06:51 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

:lol: I didn't notice the op was so old but I was like wow here's some outdated info and old ass sources...

What kind of medicinals did you want to grow? Reishi is pretty forgiving and I've seen some killer grows come out of monotubs. Lions mane is another that's easy to fruit. Almost any mushroom that grows on a tree has medicinal properties.


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: deadmandave]
    #27437110 - 08/21/21 06:58 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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:lol: I didn't notice the op was so old but I was like wow here's some outdated info and old ass sources...

What kind of medicinals did you want to grow? Reishi is pretty forgiving and I've seen some killer grows come out of monotubs. Lions mane is another that's easy to fruit. Almost any mushroom that grows on a tree has medicinal properties.




Thanks, I'm looking at reishi's first. My outlet is pretty stoked for it. So that pretty much settles it.

I will start with that. After that gets going :shrug: Are cordyceps a good idea?

Is Hobbs an old-ass source?
Also, my off-topic cluster headache video was made long ago but the info for CH sufferers is current.


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27437343 - 08/21/21 10:37 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I'll second that reishi is a great one to start with.  Even easier to grow and more forgiving than cubes.  Cordyceps is doable but I wouldn't start with that one.

Hobbs is a good source, I still consult his book on occasion, although I prefer the Fungal Pharmacy by Robert Rogers, if you want to get more in-depth.

Anyway don't hesitate to start a new thread if you have any questions in your endeavor, we're here to help!


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    #27437716 - 08/22/21 04:37 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

thanks

:grin:

got that book ordered, too.


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    #27496583 - 10/08/21 04:30 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

So is it okay to ask here in this ancient thread i mistakenly revived? :shrug:

I now have 2 quarts of reishi/millet spawn. I was going to try my first ever bags and first oak hwbp. After I spawn the jars, can I fruit in a 54-qt tub? I can use pasty's ezdial which i like for actives or should I keep the FAE down with a no holes lid and the clasps closed to increase CO2??

I appreciate the help. Am stoked about the reishi.


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27496866 - 10/08/21 11:59 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Yeah tubs are my favorite way to go with reishi!  I wouldn't worry about holding the air in that much, I like to give mine a bit of air so pasty's tubs should be perfect. 
Have fun watching it grow, reishi is one of my favorites to watch :mushroom2:


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    #27496886 - 10/08/21 12:41 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Yeah tubs are my favorite way to go with reishi!  I wouldn't worry about holding the air in that much, I like to give mine a bit of air so pasty's tubs should be perfect. 
Have fun watching it grow, reishi is one of my favorites to watch :mushroom2:




Thank you Forrester. I will be making up the oak bags today, thusly per doubleD, another shroomerite:

Throw 900g oak pellets in the bag, hydrate it w like 1.5 liters of water, pressure cook, and then throw your fully colonized grains in. Tie the bag at the very top, mix everything together, and your set!


I still totally clueless how to close the bags before PCing them.  I suppose with an accordian fold, filter facing in, a packing tape "seal" and 4 hours in the 75x would do it?

Planning 1 myco-quart per bag = two bags in the mono for now; I did load pellets into 9 bags.

I've grown out about 7 reishi plates that [I thinlk look clean and have 18 jars of millet awainting noccing. Yay. Probably should buy Sterilite stock.

I am grateful for the input, as I am 100% noobed out on medicinals.


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
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    #27496919 - 10/08/21 01:46 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27497017 - 10/08/21 04:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Without a supplement you don't need to pressure cook. You can just boil water and add it to the fuel pellets and once cool mix it together in the tub you'll fruit from.

If you do choose to sterilize I think 3 hrs is plenty. Add some bran to your recipe to make it worthwhile.


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    #27497205 - 10/08/21 07:06 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: Forrester]
    #27497211 - 10/08/21 07:10 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

So are soy hullls a supplement? Don't tell me I been sterilizing these bitches 3.5 hours per 6 forever.. :,(


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: doubleD]
    #27497240 - 10/08/21 07:34 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Yes, soy hulls are a supplement and need to be sterilized.

And it's kind of comparing apples to oranges but I get more consistent results sterilizing than with the bucket Tek.

It's definitely worth trying both ways. 


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: deadmandave]
    #27497315 - 10/08/21 09:21 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Yes, soy hulls are a supplement and need to be sterilized.

And it's kind of comparing apples to oranges but I get more consistent results sterilizing than with the bucket Tek.

It's definitely worth trying both ways. 





already building pressure on 4 bags of 900ml oak hwbp in the 75x. i'll just let it run.

next time i'll try  a bucket tek. can i use the same thermals i use for coir? without bleaching and shit?

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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27497403 - 10/08/21 11:03 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I'm a little confused by your wording but if you're asking if you can use the same vessels you use for coir without serious sanitization, then yes :smile:  I usually just wipe the bucket clean with iso.


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    #27498422 - 10/09/21 07:18 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

:laugh2: Why I should proofread better.

>>thermos<< and thanks that is the question.

And another couple of Qs...

I have two myco-quarts of reishi spawn that I can't read [yet, I hope].



1. Are these good and good to go?

2. Can I spawn to a 54-qt ezDial mono with the four bags of oak from yesterday [900 g HWBP + 1500 mL H2O --> 4hrs PC in 75x at 18 PSI]?



OR If they are good, should I go one jar to 1 bag and put the two bags in the mono?

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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27498761 - 10/10/21 01:51 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

You can do it however you like, it will not matter.  Just use that spawn quick before it gets really, really hard to break apart!


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    #27498830 - 10/10/21 03:15 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

tonight when i get home from spacemama's

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    #27500360 - 10/11/21 01:23 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Oh yea.. reishi is tough! If you don't spawn it on time!


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: doubleD]
    #27505320 - 10/15/21 06:50 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Good morning, mycomedics.

space's reishi updateb/u]

Here's the first tub, spawned 10/09:



As it comes along I will need your guidance re harvest time.

I nocced these jars on 10/10. They are ready to go to oak, right?



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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27505662 - 10/16/21 01:20 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Looking good!  Yeah I'd say those jars are ready.  Not sure what's going on at the bottom of #5 but if it's colonized it's ready.


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    #27505711 - 10/16/21 01:52 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Thanks, Forrester.

Do you compress or pseudocase reishi?


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27506412 - 10/16/21 06:06 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Not entirely sure what either of those things entail, but no. 

Definitely don't compress anything, and if pseudocasing is putting a top layer of substrate without spawn in it, also not necessary.


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    #27506821 - 10/17/21 12:13 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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Not entirely sure what either of those things entail, but no. 

Definitely don't compress anything, and if pseudocasing is putting a top layer of substrate without spawn in it, also not necessary.





Oh, noted for going forward. I didn't put down a top layer and I can loosen up the sub by hand. I wanted to get the six jars into bins while they were still easy to break up, which they were.

I have enough oak prepping to do one more bin before my filter bags arrive. I may assay the bucket tek version for the oak until the shroom supply order arrives. I have 5 jars basically ready and five more colonizong. I alson have 27 jars of millet yearing to be nocc'd.

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    #27507821 - 10/17/21 08:17 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Haha I don't think anyone cares :lol:

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    #27507879 - 10/17/21 09:06 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Thanks!

About to spawn 2 more [1/2-full] quarts to a 54-qt ezDial...
Have five more quarts colonizing and 2700 g oak hwbp bucket-teked in 4.5 mL H2O with which to experiment...I really hope the bucket tek works well: a 4-hour sterilization in the 75x actually takes about 6 hours from start to finish.


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    #27510903 - 10/20/21 01:21 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I am conerned about contamination...



Hate to waste the oak prep if they are bad.

Don't know what to look for re reishhi mycelim.

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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby] * 1
    #27511551 - 10/21/21 01:33 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I don't see anything to worry about really, even if there is bacteria it almost never is a problem for reishi anyway so I'd spawn those soon before they're impossible to break apart.


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    #27539218 - 11/11/21 09:25 PM (1 year, 28 days ago)

Speaking of bacteria, here are 3 of the 6 onos. They are all awash in metabolites.







Do I let it roll and harvest later? Do I harvest now? Do I toss the skanky messes out in the sub-midden?

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    #27539480 - 11/12/21 12:31 AM (1 year, 28 days ago)

Just normal reishi growth.  Don't be afraid of over-misting, you can't, keep that thing wet!


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    #27539639 - 11/12/21 02:47 AM (1 year, 28 days ago)

Thanks Forrester. Be fucked without you man.

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    #27540789 - 11/13/21 01:22 AM (1 year, 27 days ago)

watch out if they run into those holes, they'll grow right out of the tub! :lol:


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    #27544881 - 11/16/21 05:52 AM (1 year, 23 days ago)

lol...like this, forrester?



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    #27545993 - 11/17/21 01:00 AM (1 year, 23 days ago)

Yeah I saw that one coming :lol:


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    #27548909 - 11/19/21 06:27 AM (1 year, 20 days ago)

btw, how do i know when to harvest?


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    #27549963 - 11/20/21 12:23 AM (1 year, 20 days ago)

The white growth edge, or tips, varnishes over and there's nothing growing anymore


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    #27550067 - 11/20/21 01:24 AM (1 year, 20 days ago)

thanks, forrester. still growing.


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    #27551319 - 11/21/21 12:05 AM (1 year, 19 days ago)

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    #27574129 - 12/09/21 06:41 AM (1 year, 20 hours ago)

Hi Forester and allayall,

This is reishi LC. I would guess that white floating on the surface is a bad thing? I ask because I keep thinking stuff is fubar and you say ok.



Dx?  Weird looking, but so are my (ok) tubs.

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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27574535 - 12/09/21 06:30 PM (1 year, 9 hours ago)

MOrE fucking questions and I am grateful for the support and information. You have been so generous.

Here is where I let the jars get to [couldn't help it had an 8-day business trip when I was already a day or two late to spawn em.











CAN I use a knife to section the colonized mycelium and then spawn each quart to a 3T that has been waiting for 2 months, or to some more monos?


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27575035 - 12/10/21 02:11 AM (1 year, 1 hour ago)

About that LC I dunno it's kinda out of focus to see what's on top, but just test it on agar to find out.  I remember when I did my medicinal LC's they would get all kinds of weird stuff in them, cordyceps even grows a scoby on the top.  So I wouldn't worry too much, just test to find out.

Yikes that spawn is not gonna be easy to break up as you know lol...  I would try to smash it to break apart the grains vs. cutting it, but do whatever you gotta and try your best, it's worth a shot!


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    #27575091 - 12/10/21 03:21 AM (1 year, 9 minutes ago)

Quote:

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About that LC I dunno it's kinda out of focus to see what's on top, but just test it on agar to find out.  I remember when I did my medicinal LC's they would get all kinds of weird stuff in them, cordyceps even grows a scoby on the top.  So I wouldn't worry too much, just test to find out.

Yikes that spawn is not gonna be easy to break up as you know lol...  I would try to smash it to break apart the grains vs. cutting it, but do whatever you gotta and try your best, it's worth a shot!




:bow2::bow2::bow2:

Thanks, Forrester. I can try fruit in that 3T bag, yes? Got oak mush and tubs but :shrug: if it might work, that's one less step.

I'll post tub pics tomorrow when there is sunlight to shoot by.

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    #27575496 - 12/10/21 11:14 AM (11 months, 23 days ago)

Yeah bags work great for reishi, it will fruit in anything!


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    #27575787 - 12/10/21 05:41 PM (11 months, 23 days ago)

Quote:

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Yeah bags work great for reishi, it will fruit in anything!




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    #27577945 - 12/12/21 05:15 AM (11 months, 21 days ago)

Ya think this chatter from me should be in my journal or is this okay?

anyway...................

Fingers crossed...three bags of oak and four crazy rock solid jars of mycelial hardball. :laugh2: I had to rip it apart by hand which served as 'break that shit up.' I filled two jars that wouldn't come out with oskmush. They and the three 3T bags are in one Pasty EZ Dial mono.




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    #27578194 - 12/12/21 11:08 AM (11 months, 21 days ago)

Haha, watch out for spores on that one that escaped, it will dump spores all over the place!


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    #27578291 - 12/12/21 03:50 PM (11 months, 21 days ago)

my house, ie lab/grow-house, seems to be awash in fucked up fungi. most of my actives [maybe all] starting triching out a couple weeks ago. :facepalm3:

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    #27578306 - 12/12/21 04:16 PM (11 months, 21 days ago)

It's always the spawn!


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    #27578362 - 12/12/21 05:21 PM (11 months, 21 days ago)

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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27583005 - 12/16/21 05:47 AM (11 months, 17 days ago)

another one escaped





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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27583202 - 12/16/21 11:30 AM (11 months, 17 days ago)

Getting some nice color!


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: Forrester]
    #27583206 - 12/16/21 11:38 AM (11 months, 17 days ago)

reishi are a hoot. i have two bottles techs and three 3T bags colonizing entertainingly. i was thining about cutting slits in the bags, or should i let them top-fruit?

is there a harvest tek? i still don'y know when or how. :rolleyes:


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27583268 - 12/16/21 02:04 PM (11 months, 17 days ago)

I'd let them pin invitro and top fruit. Harvest is easy to tell it's when there stops being a white growth edge and they varnish over.


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: Forrester]
    #27583339 - 12/16/21 04:15 PM (11 months, 17 days ago)

thanks. with the top offtye bins the caps are starting to fan out.

the two that squeezed through a 1/4” hole are 4-5” in diameter.


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    #27587340 - 12/19/21 11:12 PM (11 months, 14 days ago)

I have three 3T bags. This is an example of where they are at. I can

A) top fruit in bag

or

B) If I make a bunch of slits in the sides of the bag will fruits fam out into the air?




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I just saw the harvest the escapees. I now have no lids on my monos and the heads have therefore fanned out a bin in tub and the other two are something else.

I can't find a TEK for reishi harvest. Should I just pull the outer fans off the side of the tub?

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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27587493 - 12/20/21 01:20 AM (11 months, 14 days ago)

If you wanna fruit some conks out of the side of that bag, I'd wait till it starts fruiting invitro to see where the fruits are, then you can cut slits about an inch above substrate level near where the pins are and let them find their way out those.  Pretty much just like they did with your mono.  I bet that will work pretty good.

Those conks that came out the tub sure did form nicely!  Yeah just rip em right off.  Those ones inside the tub still look like they're growing so I'd let them go longer.  When they're done just cut them off at substrate level like you would any mushroom.

That grow turned out really nice, I love how they look like saucers inside.


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: Forrester]
    #27587696 - 12/20/21 04:44 AM (11 months, 13 days ago)

thanks. i owe this fun run to you. (and Brown Bear who sent the cultures)

can't do tinctures. the alcohol is contraindicated for sober alkies like me. you think i should try a fresh tea from the conks or dry em and cap em?


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27587892 - 12/20/21 11:39 AM (11 months, 13 days ago)

I would look up a non alcohol extraction, I think you can accomplish a double extraction with glycerine instead of alcohol but I've never looked into it. Tea or caps does work though you just may miss out on some stuff.


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: Forrester]
    #27587950 - 12/20/21 02:57 PM (11 months, 13 days ago)

thanks. i'll see if there is anything i can find on non-alcohol extraction...


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27589892 - 12/22/21 04:19 AM (11 months, 11 days ago)

meanwhiles, here is the status report from this morning:



THE five original monos [haad six, one triched long ago]. Top right has the coolest weird shit. The one under it is the most heavily populated.


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Cool AF top right bin.









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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27591924 - 12/23/21 11:05 PM (11 months, 10 days ago)

Three jars were too consolidated to spawn. They've been put back for a week or more...










Some started dropping spores...



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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27591999 - 12/23/21 11:56 PM (11 months, 10 days ago)

Well now you get to see what it's like fruiting them out of jars!  :lol:


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: Forrester]
    #27592218 - 12/24/21 03:41 AM (11 months, 9 days ago)

Holy shit that's awesome! Reishi is almost scary resilient lol

Edit: I made more lions mane spawn than I can possibly use in the near future and it's already super consolidated. Can lions mane fruit off of grain too?


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: Soviet Data]
    #27592277 - 12/24/21 04:28 AM (11 months, 9 days ago)

I have just created a journal post called
TINCTURES VERSUS GLYCERITES

It is here:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27592271

Hope this is useful. I was doing the research because, 35-years sober, I should not be putting anything 50-proof into my body. I need to find out if the glycerine extraction will get all medicinal compounds, and if I can still do a couble extraction. :shrug:


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27592451 - 12/24/21 07:17 AM (11 months, 9 days ago)

Thanks for the journal. I'm also looking into glycerin extraction for the same reason, and am finding it surprisingly hard to research the differences between glycerin and alcohol extractions. Found myself on some weird website trying to send me motherfuckin notifications. Who in god's name wants a website they've been on for 16 seconds to send them notifications? What a world we live in :lol:

I love my reishi tea but I feel like I'm being sort of wasteful. Anybody make tea then use those fruits to make a tincture? I know people re-use the same fruits for multiple batches of tea.


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: Soviet Data]
    #27592454 - 12/24/21 07:23 AM (11 months, 9 days ago)

I like that this article details the differences in which classes of compounds are better extracted by which. I will turn to Rogers and to Hobb and research which of reishi medicinal chemicals are which class.


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    #27592506 - 12/24/21 08:58 AM (11 months, 9 days ago)

Awesome, thanks for doing this!


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: Soviet Data]
    #27592572 - 12/24/21 11:40 AM (11 months, 9 days ago)

If it were me, I would look into extracting with alcohol, then figuring out how to get rid of that alcohol and get what you've extracted into the glycerine. It's not hard to evap off alcohol and then the good stuff should go easily into glycerine. Bit I'd have to look into it more as to exactly how...


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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: Forrester]
    #27592878 - 12/24/21 07:45 PM (11 months, 9 days ago)

Quote:

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If it were me, I would look into extracting with alcohol, then figuring out how to get rid of that alcohol and get what you've extracted into the glycerine. It's not hard to evap off alcohol and then the good stuff should go easily into glycerine. Bit I'd have to look into it more as to exactly how...




And I do have a couple of gallons of 100% ethanol. There's just this bit to reearch:

...When considering whether to make a glycerine tincture or an alcoholic extraction, it is important to consider the solubility of the material being extracted. Glycerine will extract sugars, diluted enzymes, glucosides, bitter compounds, diluted saponins as well as tannins. Alcohol will extract some alkaloids, glycosides, volatile oils, waxes, resins, fats, some tannins, balsams, sugars and vitamins.

So I shall check Rogers and Hobbs and make a plan which I shall of course post here. :rolleyes:


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    #27592893 - 12/24/21 07:52 PM (11 months, 9 days ago)

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So I shall check Rogers and Hobbs and make a plan which I shall of course post here. :rolleyes:




Well you're going with the right sources there so I'm sure you'll figure it out!  Definitely let us know what you go with.


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    #27592999 - 12/24/21 09:39 PM (11 months, 9 days ago)

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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27599786 - 12/30/21 08:33 PM (11 months, 3 days ago)

Here's a question dear to my heart

What is the top dollar that is charged for dried reishi? I will be selling them via my farmer's website and he ain't cheap: $16/lb chicken breasts; $42/lb lamb chops; Oyesters fresh $20/lb; like that.

I was even thinking of delivering in plexi presentation boxes...make it way precious and stuff. I have these beautiful antler/conk comobs that look cool as fuck.

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Re: Medicinal Mushrooms I [Re: SpaceBaby]
    #27599805 - 12/30/21 08:48 PM (11 months, 3 days ago)

That's been asked a lot, and I really can't answer.  The price for anything, anywhere is what you can get.  If the clientele is willing to spend top dollar for premium stuff, then I'd assume you could set a pretty high price but I have no idea what that would be :shrug:  I always compare to what stuff is going for on etsy.


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    #27599821 - 12/30/21 09:02 PM (11 months, 3 days ago)

Okay. Thanks. Yeah, pricing is always a cunt for me whether it's reishi or paintings. Gah. Will let you know when I figure it out.
I got about 200 grams dry off the first five monos. Got 9 3Ts, 5 in vitro and one tub going and just nocced 8 quarts of grain with untested LC [watching a post facto plate to see if I can be hopeful.


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    #27602349 - 01/01/22 09:19 PM (11 months, 1 day ago)

You could test the market by pricing them at what you'd really like to make off of them.  If they're moving as fast as you want then you're all good.  If they aren't selling fast enough for you, run a "sale" and drop the price and see if that helps.  Things really are worth what someone is willing to pay for them so you might as well go for it initially


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    #27602787 - 01/02/22 03:40 AM (11 months, 23 hours ago)

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You could test the market by pricing them at what you'd really like to make off of them.  If they're moving as fast as you want then you're all good.  If they aren't selling fast enough for you, run a "sale" and drop the price and see if that helps.  Things really are worth what someone is willing to pay for them so you might as well go for it initially




Thanks, yeah. I was just hoping to get a starting point, I will hoover the web..


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    #27633730 - 01/26/22 08:54 PM (10 months, 7 days ago)

Pretty sure this is trich. :amiright: gonna toss it in the spent pile.



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