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Are Home Security Systems Worth it?
    #13226220 - 09/21/10 09:48 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Someone is trying to tell me that the new two-way systems are basically like On Star for your home.

I had one long ago at a rent house and I eventually just unhooked it because it was a chore dealing with it. And when it did go off once, I came home and no one called, the police never showed up, or anything.

Supposedly these new ones are awesome, but I haven't committed yet.

Am I reading that right? You trip the alarm and a voice comes over the speaker and says "Yo B, you gettin' robbed, or what?"

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Re: Are Home Security Systems Worth it? [Re: Fraggin]
    #13226423 - 09/21/10 10:40 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Security systems are a great investment in your home.  If you are living in an apartment that's a different story.

You should go with a alarm system that is hooked up to a non VOIP phone line and possibly look into a cellular back up for it.

I wouldn't go for a honeywell or GE system.  DSC is where it's at.

Ask me questions and I'll try to help you out.

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Re: Are Home Security Systems Worth it? [Re: Fraggin]
    #13226526 - 09/21/10 11:04 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

A lot of people get busted because the security system calls the police, both due to false alarms and real intruders.  If you have anything illegal in your home and it is not hidden extremely well I would not get one.

Dogs are good for security, something like a doberman which is a really fqn cool dog and also scary if you are not properly introduced.

One of the best things you can do is try to break into your own house and see how hard it is - check all the windows, doors, etc.  All doors should have reinforced strike plates, otherwise one kick will open any deadbolt.  Needs to be a solid door too.  Windows need to always be locked and it helps a lot to put cactus, agave or other really spiny plants under the windows.

A security system that does not make much noise or actually call the the police, but makes the intruder think the cops are being called would be a good compromise.  Something like a flashing light, quiet beeping, etc.

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Re: Are Home Security Systems Worth it? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #13226535 - 09/21/10 11:07 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Never considered that...

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Re: Are Home Security Systems Worth it? [Re: Fraggin]
    #13226558 - 09/21/10 11:13 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yea, if a burglar alarm is going off, that gives the police probable cause to go in and look around, and anything they see is admissible in court.

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Re: Are Home Security Systems Worth it? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #13226836 - 09/21/10 12:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

> One of the best things you can do is try to break into your own house and see how hard it is - check all the windows, doors, etc.

Burglars tend to be opportunists going for the easiest targets.  As long as you are harder to break into than your neighbors, then you are probably going to be fairly safe.  Of course, if they have a reason to target you, then this means nothing.  Simple things can go a long way towards making your place more difficult to get into than your neighbors.  Alan Rockefeller gave some good advice.  Motion sensitive lights can also help.  If you have second story windows, make sure they are secured as well.  Also, remove anything that would help a burglar climb up to a second story window.  (A lot of people think upper level windows are safe to leave open/unlocked since they are not at ground level.  Big mistake.)


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Re: Are Home Security Systems Worth it? [Re: Seuss]
    #13226859 - 09/21/10 12:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

My first floor windows don't open. the 2nd story windows do on the back of the house.
My neighbors have two dogs that bark viciously if anyone walks down my driveway that they don't recognize. It's un-nerving.

Thankfully, most of my neighbors are retired, so they are home all day and keep an eye on things.

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Re: Are Home Security Systems Worth it? [Re: Fraggin]
    #13229393 - 09/21/10 10:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I keep a gun (.22 cal revolver under my pillow for easy access) and have a Boxer, seems more than enough security for me and I'm saved from paying expensive monthly rates.

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Re: Are Home Security Systems Worth it? [Re: Jiggle]
    #13230672 - 09/22/10 10:21 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I can appreciate that.

I have small children and no one is home during the day, so a big dog and a gun is kinda out of the question for me.

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Re: Are Home Security Systems Worth it? [Re: Jiggle]
    #13230686 - 09/22/10 10:27 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I keep a gun (.22 cal revolver under my pillow for easy access)




1) discharging a firearm invites many many police over to your house.

2) Get a shotgun.


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Re: Are Home Security Systems Worth it? [Re: Doc_T]
    #13231318 - 09/22/10 01:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I keep a gun (.22 cal revolver under my pillow for easy access)




1) discharging a firearm invites many many police over to your house.

2) Get a shotgun.





I live in the backwoods and the only other house around is my sister & her husband. I'm confident if I shot someone no one would hear it or it wouldn't be unusual, I shoot people things all the time.

Shotgun stays in the gun safe with my other toys.

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Re: Are Home Security Systems Worth it? [Re: Doc_T]
    #13231490 - 09/22/10 01:55 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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I keep a gun (.22 cal revolver under my pillow for easy access)




1) discharging a firearm invites many many police over to your house.

2) Get a shotgun.




.22 cal common your just asking to go to jail.

most states have the make my day laws (texas is prob the most liberal) which basically means you can protect yourself inside of your own home if you feel threatened (their coming right for me)

now if you dont kill them in the first 3 shots, or they crawl or fall out of your house you could be up shit creek without a paddle.

now a shotgun is fine but in a home invasion situation its to big for close combat even at 18 1/2" barrel and its hard to consile
also when you keep it fully loaded the spring starts to fatigue. so you will want to just keep one in the chamber and rounds strategically placed. so were ever you end up hiding you have ammo.

a revolver is the best i wouldn't go smaller than a .38 and always use hollow points (remember your going for a kill shot its your life or his)

they have bed holsters for them and its hard to miss-fire a revolver unless its pre cocked

now to keep them out
you have to be careful not to leave yourself open to a negligence lawsuit but little things like arrow heads attached to window sills or along the to of your fence and electrifying doorknobs and gates.
but you said you have kids so prob just best to stay with the flood lights and loud noises. using strobe lights inside will help to disorient the intruder and give you time to do what you need to do.

also any type of dog will help they here things that you wont and

you can get lights that are noise activated as well as motion and heat

so when your dog barks the flood lights go on outside (might not work as well in practice as in theory)
rose bushes work great for the perimeter (big thorns)

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Re: Are Home Security Systems Worth it? [Re: Jiggle]
    #13233200 - 09/22/10 08:18 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

> 2) Get a shotgun.

Best thing about a shotgun is the sound it makes when you chamber a round.  It is loud.  It is distinct.  When heard, bad people on the receiving end tend to run.


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Re: Are Home Security Systems Worth it? [Re: Seuss]
    #13234650 - 09/23/10 06:13 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yep. :awesomenod:

Less chance of punching through a wall and hitting the wrong person too.


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Re: Are Home Security Systems Worth it? [Re: Fraggin]
    #13235590 - 09/23/10 12:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

See if this software will do what you want. Its free
http://www.zoneminder.com/

An old computer + linux / zoneminder + wireless router + as many wireless  ip cameras as you want.
Then setup appropriate filters, SMS and email notification.

These points were helpful to me.
Runs on any Linux distribution!
Supports video, USB and network cameras.
Multiple Zones (Regions Of Interest) can be defined per camera. Each can have a different sensitivity or be ignored altogether.
Event notification by email or SMS including attached still images or video of specific events by filter.
Automatic uploading of matching events to external FTP storage for archiving and data security.



"It supports capture, analysis, recording, and monitoring of video data coming from one or more video or network cameras attached to a Linux system. ZoneMinder also support web and semi-automatic control of Pan/Tilt/Zoom cameras using a variety of protocols. It is suitable for use as a DIY home video security system and for commercial or professional video security and surveillance."


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Re: Are Home Security Systems Worth it? [Re: sherm]
    #13235772 - 09/23/10 12:43 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Damn. Thats high speed.

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Re: Are Home Security Systems Worth it? [Re: sherm]
    #13240325 - 09/24/10 12:16 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Event notification by email or SMS including attached still images or video of specific events by filter.





That is the coolest part! 

It would also be really useful for collecting evidence in the event of a police raid.  They often take your computer and cameras, but pictures on a remote server would not be seized.


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> 2) Get a shotgun.

Best thing about a shotgun is the sound it makes when you chamber a round.  It is loud.  It is distinct.  When heard, bad people on the receiving end tend to run.




I donĀ“t own firearms because if you have drugs and a gun you will get years in prison instead of probation.  I wonder if there is a way to make that noise without actually owning a firearm.

Maybe a shotgun missing an essential piece such as the firing pin, trigger or barrel would make the same sound but not fit the legal definition of a firearm.


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Re: Are Home Security Systems Worth it? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #13243821 - 09/25/10 07:43 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Maybe a shotgun missing an essential piece such as the firing pin, trigger or barrel would make the same sound but not fit the legal definition of a firearm.





I think (<-disclaimer word) that the part of the gun which is considered the gun is the part of the receiver where the serial number is located.

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Re: Are Home Security Systems Worth it? [Re: Green_T]
    #13243864 - 09/25/10 08:04 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'd sure hate to get the guy worked up about a shotgun and not be able to shoot him.


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Re: Are Home Security Systems Worth it? [Re: Fraggin]
    #13246376 - 09/25/10 07:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Good advice in this thread.


I recommend having a system if you aren't going to have anything illegal in your home.  I have small children and it makes me feel better knowing that if someone can manage to get into my home, someone is going to be coming to help my family.

The best kind of security is preventative.  Allan had good advice.  The line I use at work often is, "Be more secure than your neighbours".  Dogs are good.  So is good lighting.

I'd set your doors up with these:





(for hinges)

Mul-T-Lock Hercular Deadbolt



Roughly, your looking at about $350 bucks for the above hardware.  Hardly anything when compared to the price of anything inside your home or the family.

Good lock with the security of your home.  Look at it like a project.  One window or door at a time. :cheers:

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