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Predictions on November Elections in the US
    #13225647 - 09/21/10 05:35 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

It looks like this November is going to have some interesting elections in the US.  The Democrats are in the doghouse with the voters.  Their strategy seems to be "we know you hate us, but vote for us because we aren't as bad as them".  The Republicans have split into the old and the new (tea party).  For the most part, the Tea Party movement is winning GOP primaries, causing infighting in the Republican party.  The Democrats seem certain that the tea party will be the undoing of the Republicans, all be ensuring a Democrat win in November.  Finally, we have Obama reaching out to the black voters, begging them to support Democrats in November.

I have no idea how the elections will go this November.  However, if I were a Democrat, I would be worried.  Voter anger is very high right now and Democrats, having control of both the executive and legislative branches, have done nothing to help stem high unemployment rates or improve a bad economy.  Instead, they have bickered in partisan politics and increased government spending.  The People are angry and they want change.  The "vote for us 'cause we aren't as bad as them" argument isn't going to go very far with angry voters.

The Republicans are feeling the heat from voter anger as well.  The Republican Party still doesn't get why the Tea Party movement is doing so well.  The answer is simple.  Voter anger.  People are tired of the status quo.  They are willing to vote in anybody other than those that have led the US into the current mess.

Obviously, a lot can change between now and November.  Making a guess, unless the Democrats start to take the Tea Party seriously, I'm predicting that the Tea Party (as Republicans) are going to win a lot of seats.


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Re: Predictions on November Elections in the US [Re: Seuss]
    #13225693 - 09/21/10 06:22 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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The Republicans are feeling the heat from voter anger as well.  The Republican Party still doesn't get why the Tea Party movement is doing so well.  The answer is simple.  Voter anger.  People are tired of the status quo.  They are willing to vote in anybody other than those that have led the US into the current mess.





Yep, my thoughts exactly.  The democrats seem to have forgotten that they were elected more to end the wars and the wastefulness, and as a backlash against republicans wasting money and making our budget worse, and not for their silly issues.

One thing I can't stand is the republicans trying to use the tea party movement to gain support- as if the republicans are somehow not the status quo being fought against just because they lost power.  It was inevitable that the nutjob racist/crazy militia/christian fundamentalist contingent would move into the tea party movement, but the republican party candidates have been shameless in their pandering.

I truly hope some people wake up when they see this and think back to how the Republicans were guilty of the same sins they claim to be fighting.

If the tea party thing does hurt the republicans it provide some incentive to move towards a democratic system where we don't grant unelected parties power over the process.  Instant runoff voting is another system that could see increased support



My hope for this election is that the people express some desire to vote for candidates rather than against them, stop accepting that republicans are going to be better fiscally than democrats or that democrats will end the wars sooner than republicans, and stop relying on pointless wedge issues that are irrelevant, such as abortion, gay marriage, et cet, which generally allow the candidates to be as wasteful and imprudent as they wish while aquiring support on these token issues alone.


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Re: Predictions on November Elections in the US [Re: johnm214]
    #13225865 - 09/21/10 07:54 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

In the short term the Tea Party Movement may cause the entrenched professional politicians in the GOP some losses as the RINOS and careerists get dumped.  But it was the rise of the RINO and careerists that got them tossed in '06 when they lost their Contract with America Mojo from the nineties.  A lot of that was due to the Compassionate (not)Conservatism of Bush.  Voters haven't been offered a real conservative Presidential candidate since Reagan.

Both houses of Congress are going to end up very tight either way, probably with a small Dem majority in the Senate and a small Rep majority in the House.


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Re: Predictions on November Elections in the US [Re: johnm214]
    #13225876 - 09/21/10 07:58 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

If the Money Republicans can get away from the Sex Republicans, they will win and keep winning.
I'm not concerned about a national response to the threat of gay marriage, I'm concerned about the threat of oil dependency. (Among other issues).


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Re: Predictions on November Elections in the US [Re: Doc_T]
    #13226204 - 09/21/10 09:45 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

> Voters haven't been offered a real conservative Presidential candidate since Reagan.

What about Bush Sr?

> Both houses of Congress are going to end up very tight either way, probably with a small Dem majority in the Senate and a small Rep majority in the House.

This is pretty much what I expect as well.  It will be interesting to see, if it happens, what kind of effect it has on Pelosi/Obama socialist agenda.

> If the Money Republicans can get away from the Sex Republicans, they will win and keep winning.

Agree... though it will be a hard fight as the Democrats love to blur the lines between the fiscally conservative Republicans and the moral authoritative (spending) Republicans.


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Re: Predictions on November Elections in the US [Re: Seuss]
    #13226252 - 09/21/10 09:56 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Bush Sr wasn't all that conservative and it cost him re-election.  He got hammered because of his "Read my lips" remark and I also believe it was him who described Reagan's economic policies as voodoo economics during the primary.

Fuck, I'm old.


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Re: Predictions on November Elections in the US [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13226388 - 09/21/10 10:32 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Bush Sr wasn't all that conservative and it cost him re-election.  He got hammered because of his "Read my lips" remark and I also believe it was him who described Reagan's economic policies as voodoo economics during the primary.

Fuck, I'm old.




Ha, Im still in my 20s and I remember all that.  :wink:


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Re: Predictions on November Elections in the US [Re: DieCommie]
    #13226521 - 09/21/10 11:03 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

You read about it, I lived it.


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Re: Predictions on November Elections in the US [Re: Seuss]
    #13226560 - 09/21/10 11:15 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Seuss said:What about Bush Sr?




He was a sorry excuse for a "conservative".


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Re: Predictions on November Elections in the US [Re: Seuss]
    #13226589 - 09/21/10 11:24 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Voting is futile, they're ALL whores working for the elites who dont have to be "elected". IMO they use the media to manipulate the few people who are still interested in politics. they keep us busy fighting with each other. (Ground Zero Mosque, Gay marriage, some hillbilly's burning a book, etc.) So we dont focus on who's really running the machine....

Dont waste your time voting.

Do i sound cynical?:smile:


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Re: Predictions on November Elections in the US [Re: Seuss]
    #13226760 - 09/21/10 12:10 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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What about Bush Sr?





greatest president ever, right behind jimmy carter

my prediction for this year's election

we all lose


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Re: Predictions on November Elections in the US [Re: Seuss]
    #13226776 - 09/21/10 12:14 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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> If the Money Republicans can get away from the Sex Republicans, they will win and keep winning.

Agree... though it will be a hard fight as the Democrats love to blur the lines between the ...  Republicans.




Republicans themselves need to make the distinction, and grab the centerist Dems at the same time.


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Re: Predictions on November Elections in the US [Re: Doc_T]
    #13226786 - 09/21/10 12:18 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Hey let me ask you guys this- is it Sarah Palin for sure? Anybody else look viable?


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Re: Predictions on November Elections in the US [Re: Doc_T]
    #13227111 - 09/21/10 01:44 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Petraeus.


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Re: Predictions on November Elections in the US [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13227171 - 09/21/10 01:58 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

No.  He won't even try.


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Re: Predictions on November Elections in the US [Re: zappaisgod]
    #13228854 - 09/21/10 08:26 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Palin wins the nomination and picks General Petraeus to be her VP? Remember most people thought Palin was done after the Katy couric interview.....


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Re: Predictions on November Elections in the US [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13229650 - 09/21/10 11:46 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

like prisoner said we all lose. things will continue to roll towards europe or worse like a snow ball effect. It wont change until all the politicians are thrown out which will never happen unless blood is shed. It will never happen. welcome to corrupted bs


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Re: Predictions on November Elections in the US [Re: dshow]
    #13230381 - 09/22/10 08:20 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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things will continue to roll towards europe


but i thought we're in a recovery? :grin:


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Re: Predictions on November Elections in the US [Re: lonestar2004]
    #13230784 - 09/22/10 10:58 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

no it's a reverse triple-dip/double recession


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Re: Predictions on November Elections in the US [Re: Grav]
    #13286463 - 10/03/10 09:28 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I think the republicans are looking like idiots right now because of all the nut job t-party candidates that have been nominated.

Christine O'Donnell, what a fantastic mess. From wikipedia:

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Financial issues

In 2008 O'Donnell defaulted on the mortgage for her Wilmington house and the mortgage company obtained a judgment against her for $90,000. The house was due to be sold at a sheriff's auction in August 2008 when she sold it the month prior to her campaign's lawyer and then boyfriend.[4][78][79]

The Internal Revenue Service filed a lien in 2010 that said that O'Donnell owed $11,000 in back taxes and penalties from 2005, according to public records.[4] O’Donnell said that it was a mistake and a computer error,[80] and noted that the IRS agent handling the matter claimed he was perplexed by the agency's actions.[4] In campaign finance reports, she listed herself as self-employed and said she was doing odd jobs to make ends meet.[4]

Because of financial difficulties, she moved to a Delaware townhouse, where she paid half the rent with campaign funds because she also used separate quarters in the residence as her campaign headquarters for her 2010 Senate run.[4] Between 2007 and 2009 the Federal Election Commission cited her eight times for failing to supply contributions reports on time.[4]

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington alleged that O'Donnell made false statements on Federal Elections Commission filings and illegally used more than $20,000 of her campaign funds as "her very own personal piggy bank" by claiming expenses during a time when she had no official campaign.[7] The group filed a complaint on September 20, 2010 with the Federal Elections Commission, and asked the U.S. Attorney in Delaware to investigate.[78] O'Donnell responded to the accusations, telling reporters, there is "no truth to it. I personally have not misused the campaign funds."[81][82] However,she refused to answer specific questions about her finances asked by CNN.


Educational history

O’Donnell’s 2006 Senate campaign website stated that she was a “graduate of Fairleigh Dickinson University.” In reality, she did not graduate from that university until September 2010. [12] She has claimed that she studied "Post Modernism in the New Millennium" at Oxford University, but that claim was called "misleading" by The Washington Post as she took a course that was evidently held at that institution but not awarded by or affiliated with it.[87] In a lawsuit, O’Donnell suggested that she was working toward a master’s degree at Princeton University, but she later acknowledged having never taken any graduate courses there.[88] As of late September 2010, O'Donnell's LinkedIn profile stated that she had attended Claremont Graduate University in California[89] but the university said, there is "no student or education record for an individual named Christine O'Donnell."[90][88]





Looks like fraud, tax evasion, academic dishonesty, perjury, not to mention all the nutty stuff she said about mice with human brains, witchcraft and the like. Way to go tparty! You know how to pick em.



How about that "Mad as Hell" Carl Paladino. Mad as a hatter is what that guy is.


Then there is Meg Whitman, who railed against illegal immigration while employing an illegal immigrant as her house servant. Fired her when the arrangement became politically disadvantageous, and then refused to pay her the wages she had coming, despite nine years of faithful service. That millionaire woman looks like scum to the working poor, and to Hispanics. Moreover, she has exposed herself as a fraud to her anti-immigration base. Good luck honey, you're gonna need it.


The rest of the republicans are running on a platform of tax cuts for the supper rich and cuts in services to the poor. With unemployment still around ten percent, there are quite a few more poor people than there are super rich. Republicans want to take food stamps away from the single mother so that rich bailed-out bankers can have a second house and two more cars. Nice job repubs, way to ingratiate yourself with a majority of the voters.


The democrats might not look too good right now, but the republicans ain't lookin so good either.


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