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TheShroomHermit
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Applications of mycelium piss?
#1321690 - 02/20/03 08:22 AM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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A freind was wondering whether there might be an application of this yellowish fluid. Wether or not it has any nutritional, or antibiotic properties. Whether it could be a recipe additive, a contamination fighter, and agar substitute etc etc. He just thought maybe this "waste" product didn't have to go to waste.
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I have wondered the same thing, and lately thinking I could extract a bit of the fluids with diabetes syringes, being the needles are so small. My friend has some casings going at his place, maybe i'll snake some of his fluids ;p lol
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durban_poison
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wondering the same thing myself, but if they call it waste why would that be?
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Re: Applications of mycelium piss? [Re: durban_poison]
#1322329 - 02/20/03 12:23 PM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've never read anything about analysis of the byproducts, the mycellium have to produce some sort of antibiotics, i don't see why the wastes wouldn't harbor some residual of this.
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does anyone have any idea what substances compose mycopee?
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Re: Applications of mycelium piss? [Re: dr4g0n]
#1322354 - 02/20/03 12:36 PM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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maybe teonan, or suntzu?
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TheShroomHermit
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Well, cow shit is just a by product, but look at it's applications...
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interesting, this definitely should be researched . who knows it could be an anti-carcinogen, or a cure for aids .
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Re: Applications of mycelium piss? [Re: deanofmean]
#1322826 - 02/20/03 03:44 PM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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fungi secrete the fluid because it is waste. it is nitrogenous waste, the same as our piss is. composed of ammonia, urea/uric acid. fungi also secrete digestive enzymes w/ch disolves their nutritional substrate so they can absorb it. i dont know if any of these enzymes would be in the mush piss. it is ill advised to add this piss back into the substrate or used to dunk w/ etc the mush piss is toxic to mush peace
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TheShroomHermit
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Re: Applications of mycelium piss? [Re: thescientist]
#1323052 - 02/20/03 05:01 PM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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>the mush piss is toxic to mush I thought that it gets reabsorbed after some time... or am I just hallucinating?
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Re: Applications of mycelium piss? [Re: thescientist]
#1323078 - 02/20/03 05:12 PM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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>it is nitrogenous waste, the same as our piss is. I'm sorry, but I just had a little taste of it... and it tastes NOTHING like human piss.
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so, you admit to having tasted human piss ?lol
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Re: Applications of mycelium piss? [Re: deanofmean]
#1323122 - 02/20/03 05:32 PM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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>so, you admit to having tasted human piss I never directly admitted to it
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deanofmean
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ah, not directly, from a glass perhaps .
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the myc jizz really rounds out a margarita.
it's my secret ingredient.
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Re: Applications of mycelium piss? [Re: dr4g0n]
#1323863 - 02/21/03 03:53 AM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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i don't know, must be some sort of enzyme ... what i do know for sure is that its extremely coorosive stuff, which easily makes holes in aluminum pans (that's why its better to use plastic containers for casings)
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Re: Applications of mycelium piss? [Re: thescientist]
#1324139 - 02/21/03 06:26 AM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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[quote the mush piss is toxic to mush
proof?
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Re: Applications of mycelium piss? [Re: thescientist]
#1324502 - 02/21/03 09:17 AM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think your reply was more like a guess, than a representation of known facts.
My guess is that the mycelial piss may be made of similar compounds as an extract of the substrate. I usually see it on wet substrates. I think that the advancing mycelium may be forcing the excess water from the substrate.
I think by the same reasoning that the piss would contain the enzymes the mycelium secretes as it digests the substrate. These enzymes would consist of digestive enzymes and most likely antibiotic enzymes as well.
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Re: Applications of mycelium piss? [Re: Joshua]
#1324535 - 02/21/03 09:27 AM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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Joshua, do you think a dried crystallized version of the "excrement" could be used as an agar supplement somehow aiding in digestion or contamination control of the substrate?
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Re: Applications of mycelium piss? [Re: Raadt]
#1324552 - 02/21/03 09:33 AM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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Possibly. I bet the enzymes are heat sensitive and therefor hard to add to agar w/o losing some functionality.
It would be worth an experiment though.
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Re: Applications of mycelium piss? [Re: Joshua]
#1324671 - 02/21/03 10:39 AM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's probably true, I wouldn't imagine much more so than h2O2 though. Although psilocin and psilocybin do break down at higher temps than h2O2, from what i've read of them. Of course there is no way for me to test breakdown of a molecule, so conclusive experiments would be difficult. However, if the anti bacterial/fungal properties of mycellium are living within them, then they would die during sterilization. Horrible refference, but as white blood cells would fight in the body -- they would also breakdown during sterilization. However if it's some sort of antibiotic, or immunity they have developed some of the "extracts" may be helpful. That or it may be that dung is too nutritious and causes an over excitement of the mycellium, thus creating byproducts (leftovers).
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Re: Applications of mycelium piss? [Re: ]
#1325298 - 02/21/03 05:16 PM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure stamets addresses the piss in one of his books. I'm winging from memory here. Seems like I'm picking up at something like, "but not all discoloration is contamination, mushrooms excrete metabolic wastes etc etc"
I think he says, 1 small amounts are normal and not a problem 2 excess is a problem 3 excess stunts growth 4 excess retards developement 5 excess encourages contaminates such as bacteria (due to wetness and anaerobic conditions) and molds (due to pH) 6 contains antibiotics, alcohols and acids, mostly alcohols 7 excess is indication of over incubation-time or over incubation-temperature
Don't remember which book it was, but I'm pretty sure the jist was, hey don't get freaked out thinkin the yellow goop is a contam, but don't encourage it either.
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Re: Applications of mycelium piss? [Re: mycofile]
#1325307 - 02/21/03 05:20 PM (20 years, 11 months ago) |
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but in large quantities dried, maybe it could be useful, and eventually synthesized if it were helpful
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Re: Applications of mycelium piss? [Re: Raadt]
#4624657 - 09/06/05 05:42 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just found this old thread. I read in TMC "causing the exudation of metabolites ("sweat") and the build up of fluids in which bacteria can thrive" I heard it contains alcohols, but the metabolites interests me. Could this piss be worth drinking? or drying out and eating?
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Re: Applications of mycelium piss? [Re: blackout]
#4624972 - 09/06/05 09:37 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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yup its nitrogenous waste and yes it does have applications. It is used to refertilize soil for plants, just as plants waste is used to fertilize for fungus.
the smarties of the bunch will realize that growing your bud plants and mushies out of the same soil creates a symbiosis and enhances the growing environment for each.
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Re: Applications of mycelium piss? [Re: TheHook]
#4634483 - 09/08/05 03:53 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hell yeah good idea. Is there a grow log of that on here?
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: old thread, run its course, interesting but cold. please don't bump em up just for the hell of it. thanks.
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