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Slavery Reparations
    #1321525 - 02/20/03 09:10 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Any thoughts on this subject? I'm kind of on the fence on this issue. What do you think of it?


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Re: Slavery Reparations [Re: silversoul7]
    #1321539 - 02/20/03 09:16 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I am against it, only for the reason that it happened so long ago it's a non-issue. Both of my parents were interned in the Japanese internment camps during the WW2 (I'm adopted by the way) and were paid reparitions for that since all of their property and possessions were confiscated by the government...the difference is that they were directly affected by it...they are not some distant relative of someone that it happened to that is long since dead.


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Re: Slavery Reparations [Re: silversoul7]
    #1321540 - 02/20/03 09:17 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I don't know.

On one hand, we really screwed black people, and they haven't recovered still.

On the other hand every race has been persecuted at some point in time, right?



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Re: Slavery Reparations [Re: silversoul7]
    #1321616 - 02/20/03 09:54 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Slavery Reparations R dum.

Reparations from abuses from the first half of the 20th century are not.


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Re: Slavery Reparations [Re: silversoul7]
    #1321652 - 02/20/03 10:08 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Reparations should have been paid to people who were actually slaves. If you do the math now, I'm betting each black person is going to get a few cents.

Instead of wasting money paying reparations, spend that money on community programs and education in inner city areas.


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Re: Slavery Reparations [Re: silversoul7]
    #1321654 - 02/20/03 10:09 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

The main argument against reparations has been made. Why should taxpayers now pay for the mistakes of long ago - to people who have not been harmed in the slightest bit by those mistakes?

However, there is more to this issue. For example, though most will agree that American slavery was an awful situation, it was necessary for our independence: through the art of compromise, Jefferson took the condemnation of slavery out of the Declaration of Independence. This politically inncorrect concession united the New England colonies and the Middle and Southern colonies against the British. Long story short, slavery is one of the largest reasons why democracy is so prevalent today.


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Re: Slavery Reparations [Re: Learyfan]
    #1321793 - 02/20/03 10:49 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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On one hand, we really screwed black people, and they haven't recovered still.



We???? I had nothing to do with it, my ancestors came to the states after 1900, not one of them ever had slaves, they were dirt poor people who came here with what could fit in one suitcase and the clothes on their backs.

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On the other hand every race has been persecuted at some point in time, right?



It's my understanding that the term 'slave' derives from the same root as 'Slavic' because the Salvic people were widely used as slaves at one time (I am of Slavic ancestry).


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Re: Slavery Reparations [Re: silversoul7]
    #1322038 - 02/20/03 12:17 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Only thing Reparations is gona do is make Cadillac Deville the #1 selling car in America..


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Re: Slavery Reparations [Re: GabbaDj]
    #1322158 - 02/20/03 01:10 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Only thing Reparations is gona do is make Cadillac Deville the #1 selling car in America..

Its funny cause its true


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Re: Slavery Reparations [Re: silversoul7]
    #1322272 - 02/20/03 01:55 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I'm in favor of it as long as only those who owned slaves pay reparations to only those who were slaves.













































:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

It's one of the lefts most stupid ideas ever.
It ranks up there with the stupid ideas of social security, welfare, medicare, foreign aid and the like.


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    #1323564 - 02/21/03 02:09 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Slavery Reparations [Re: MOE THE MAD SCIENTIST]
    #1324428 - 02/21/03 10:44 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Since they were supposed to get 40 acres and a mule why not just give them a 40 of old mule. -PGF (Pre Ban)


That was one of the funniest things I've ever read on these forums.


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Re: Slavery Reparations [Re: MOE THE MAD SCIENTIST]
    #1324468 - 02/21/03 11:00 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm black btw



What!!!! :shocked:

Are you sure?


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Re: Slavery Reparations [Re: silversoul7]
    #1324970 - 02/21/03 03:11 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

reparations are absurd. i agree with LDS... they should be paid by those who owned slaves to those who were slaves. at the risk of sounding really ignorant... african americans should consider the fact that instead of living in the poorest and most AIDS-ridden continent on Earth with nothing to eat, they live here instead.... as their "reparation" for the evils of the past.


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Re: Slavery Reparations [Re: silversoul7]
    #1328211 - 02/23/03 08:39 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I can't spend a lot of time on this but I wanted to say:

However.....................

This is not the same thing as if a government stole something from someone.

Of course I am referring to Native Americans here.

The United States violated their treaty with the Lakota after they found gold in the Black Hills. The Supreme Court said that there probably wasn't a more egregious offense like it in the annals of US history.

Millions of acres of the Black Hills are owned by the US government, not by private individuals, nor by the state of South Dakota.

They need to give that land back.

They violated their treaty.


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    #1328443 - 02/23/03 11:05 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

This is not the same thing as if a government stole something from someone.

Stealing from someone is of course, wrong. However, it doesn't compare in magnitude to the oppression of men through slavery. The suffering of slaves under their taskmaster's whip is more egregious than the theft of land. It's the theft of freedom and violated everything America supposedly stood for.

I'm not down playing the atrocities committed against the Indians of all tribes. In some ways they suffered more than african slaves by genocide and forced relocation. It's one of the darkest chapters in all of human history as far as I'm concerned. But theft just doesn't compare to true atrocities such as forced relocation, genocide, and slavery. Now that said, this entire country is plundered from indians and IMO everything possible should be done to give back what is rightfully theirs.


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Re: Slavery Reparations [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1328695 - 02/23/03 12:58 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I agree.

I only wish that stealing and the other things you mentioned were the worst things done to us.

Soldiers used to cut the breasts off of dead Navaho women and play catch with them! :mad:  They also used to carve there genitals out of their dead bodies and mount them on the horns of their saddles.

And WE were the savages.  :smirk:

Yeah, right.


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    #1328890 - 02/23/03 02:30 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Why not just pay reparations and clear the issue from the board? The arguments against this are reasonable but on the other hand our government has no problem pissing away 30 billion dollars to Turkey so that we can continue to station arms and soldiers there. Why not do something for the blacks and Indians here in the states who have legitimate grievances? By the way Mushmaster, read Martin Luther Kings book "Chaos or Community?". I think it would make you reconsider your position.


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Re: Slavery Reparations [Re: AislingGheal]
    #1329176 - 02/23/03 05:03 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Well, what are your arguments for paying reperations?

While you're at it, why don't you pay me reperations because my ancestors (Italian) were persecuted when they arrived in this country? See where this is leading.

And how would we determine which blacks have a legitimate claim to reperations? Many blacks have immagrated here after slavery was abolished.


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Re: Slavery Reparations [Re: AislingGheal]
    #1329225 - 02/23/03 05:26 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Why not do something for the blacks and Indians here in the states who have legitimate grievances?



And how do you decide who has a legitimate grievance? Only blacks who have ancestors who were slaves? How do you prove this? Do you just take people's word for it? Let's say you require proof. Do you not give anything to those who had ancestors that were slaves but can't prove it? Do you give the money to all blacks? What of those who came to this country 20 years ago? 30? 40? 100? Where do you draw the line? Rich blacks? Poor blacks?

Reparations are way beyond a silly idea, it's just plain stupid.


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