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 Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictorial. 
#1321488 - 02/20/03 06:56 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, i've tried oat flakes & verm and i must say i'm impressed so far. The standard procedure is all PF like. The only deviation i make is when mixing the substrate, i mix the verm with half the needed water leaving the rest to hydrate the oat flakes, then mix it slowly all together at the end, so the flakes don't break up and turn muddy.
Btw, i used warm/hot water so the oat flakes could hydrate faster, but it can be done with cold water, takes longer to achieve optimum absorption though.
Some pics of the cake,
One day before the above pics, no flash
The organic oat flakes i used,
This is an excellent choice if you don't find BRF and don't want to go into grain substrates.
I'll post back to report a how it is going. So far, so good, so what ?!
MAIA
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Edited by MAIA (02/20/03 09:48 AM)
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictorial. [Re: MAIA]
#1321497 - 02/20/03 06:59 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh, strain is amazonian, i don't use cakes for a long time. Seems i'm not loosing the hang of it tough  !
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictorial. [Re: MAIA]
#1321504 - 02/20/03 07:00 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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MAIA
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 Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictorial. [Re: MAIA]
#1326364 - 02/22/03 09:57 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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A quick update.
Sometimes if think this stuff is going to blow.
MAIA
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 Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictorial. [Re: MAIA]
#1326535 - 02/22/03 11:44 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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hi there
i?ve never seen a cake with the micelium like that, it seems it wants to spread.
good luck
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictorial. [Re: cota]
#1327128 - 02/22/03 05:53 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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that is some strange looking myc. have you ever cased any of those oat cakes ?
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictorial. [Re: cota]
#1327241 - 02/22/03 07:01 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
hi there
i?ve never seen a cake with the micelium like that, it seems it wants to spread.
good luck
yeah, it's looking for more oats 
it may be slightly over hydrated . fan, fan, fan !
looks kewl though 
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictorial. [Re: deanofmean]
#1327991 - 02/23/03 03:37 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks all!
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have you ever cased any of those oat cakes ?
No, never, it's the first time i try this stuff
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it may be slightly over hydrated . fan, fan, fan !
I think you're right about it, i have a bubbler working 24/7 but maybe that's not enough, this terrarium is new, bigger and with a more powerful heater system, so i'm still getting used to it. My hygrometer is broke but i think Rh is near 100%, at least in 5 shots i only take 1 clear shot with my camera, the rest of pics is all blury because of the vapor on the lens, coming out when i open that stuff  .
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictorial. [Re: MAIA]
#1330865 - 02/24/03 06:20 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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1st time i've seen hardcore rhizo's coming off of a cake looking for more substrate. seems like healthy myc =) i'm excited to see your results.
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: Raadt]
#1333125 - 02/25/03 02:07 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here are my cakes, they seem to have the same action then yours. I'm not sure about the strain, but if you say yours are amazonian, then mine can be amazonians too.
Shit, didn't manage to put pix so here're the linx
http://mapage.noos.fr/stock40/rhizo1.jpg
http://mapage.noos.fr/stock40/rhizo2.jpg
http://mapage.noos.fr/stock40/rhizo3.jpg
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: rataka]
#1333150 - 02/25/03 02:30 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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yours seem to be good, but defenetely not the same agressive growth
good luck .
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: rataka]
#1333779 - 02/25/03 07:11 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Puerto Rican cubensis also show a very agressive rhizo growth. Nice cakes btw !
MAIA
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: MAIA]
#1333798 - 02/25/03 07:17 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Can you say "Merry Christmas OH! OH! OH !"
The cake sitting at right is also amazonian but a bit older (second flush) and made with regular BRF+verm, no rhizos, just mushrooms .
Both are in the same enviroment, why such a difference ?
MAIA
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: MAIA]
#1334951 - 02/25/03 01:06 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Maybe the texture of the oats holds moisture better than a tiny speck of flour, or maybe given a larger fuel mass the myc has more energy to jump around from fuel flake to flake vs.fuel speck to speck. or oat being a softer grain its easier to penetrate(but the rice is ground) or maybe I just ran out of guesses. whatever.
Impressive.
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: hsalf]
#1334960 - 02/25/03 01:10 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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still...
... to start that guessing game you'd have to use half the amount(W) and pre-hydrate the brf. even though in a pc its saturated in the end.
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: MAIA]
#1336198 - 02/25/03 08:40 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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it will be interesting to see how big that gets .
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#1336224 - 02/25/03 08:56 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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WoW that is the most beautiful cake i've ever seen. it's like the poster child for cakes.. i wonder how it will fruit.
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: MAIA]
#1336521 - 02/26/03 02:06 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Those "rhizos reaching for the sky" look exactly like what happens every time I whip up a batch of Puerto Rican. The mycelium of Puerto Rican is insanely aggressive stuff, but it can be a real pain getting it to actually fruit.
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: Phred]
#1337119 - 02/26/03 07:11 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's exactly the problem i'm having. All pinning parameters were met but the cake refused to pin, now i got only one pin  .
I'll try to think about something else....
MAIA
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: MAIA]
#1339069 - 02/26/03 10:23 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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The only thing that works for me is to put my terrarium outside every night for about a week. This induces a nocturnal-only temperature drop of about 6 or 7 degrees Celsius.
Even with that, however, sometimes I just couldn't induce fruiting at all. Even with the ones which DID fruit, it worked only for the first flush. So I just ended up putting the fruiting chamber outside every night until the cakes stopped flushing.
Puertos are potent, and the mycelium is just about indestructible, but they are (in my experience) a MAJOR pain to get to fruit. I think they need a bit more domestication before I would try them again.
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: MAIA]
#1339291 - 02/27/03 02:39 AM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quick update.
After all, it isn't the only one...
MAIA
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: MAIA]
#1351225 - 03/04/03 11:17 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, here's the result of the oat cake. I don't have a scale to measure their weight but they look very healthy.
1st pic is from March the 1st, then i left home to go visiting my family up north till day 4, so the rest of the pics are 3 days later, they had allready begun to sporulate and also the Rh was damn high that's why the mycelium got all damped, bad timing to leave a pinning cake like that, i know, but family stuff is family stuff. I'm happy with the results of the experiment though.
3 days later,
That's a 18cm X 18cm napkin,
MAIA
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: MAIA]
#1351244 - 03/04/03 11:45 PM (20 years, 9 months ago) |
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very nice. i can't get over the look of that one cake. would you say you'd rather use oats as your main substrate now? i definately want to try it out. i'd like to try them in a simple casing with just vermiculite...see what happens. nice job dude
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: felix]
#1351374 - 03/05/03 02:14 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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would you say you'd rather use oats as your main substrate now?
Thanks man !
Well yes, why not ? Sometimes it's hard to find BRF where i live and i can get this oat bags from many store shelves. I can't remember what i paid for that bag but i'll try to check it out next time i go shopping. I really liked to watch an healthy rhizo growth like that, add some nice fruits and there you have a nice substitute, so next time i'll be using this oat again.
I would really like to see people trying this substrate and posting results, i bet many of you can do much better !
MAIA
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: MAIA]
#1351700 - 03/05/03 05:19 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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do you think this would do good invetro, like hippie neglect, and what was yur measurments, on the verm and oat
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: Psychoslut]
#1351777 - 03/05/03 05:49 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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and what was yur measurments, on the verm and oat
Same as PF, 1/2 verm, 1/4 oat and 1/4 water. The oat is hydrated with half the water, the other half is to be added to the vermiculite. When both are hydrated, just mix them together slowly.
Btw, i don't see why it shouldn'r work invitro, it's a cake.
MAIA
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Edited by MAIA (03/05/03 05:50 AM)
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: MAIA]
#1352911 - 03/05/03 02:17 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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i have a huge can of oats. IM TRYIN IT! 
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#1358279 - 03/08/03 12:19 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wonder how oats would do "ala lazy mofo"????
I would think it would colonize the the added substrate verry quickly..... BTW... how did the jars colonize???? would you say faster than BRF???
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: Matty_Rulez]
#1358637 - 03/08/03 02:49 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
would you say faster than BRF???
Same time, maybe a little bit faster.
MAIA
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: MAIA]
#1359630 - 03/09/03 04:36 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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so quaker oats are suitable for this?
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: indicaz]
#1360407 - 03/09/03 12:05 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mine are organic, no chemicals. I don't know about quaker, you have to check out the ingredients.
MAIA
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: indicaz]
#1360411 - 03/09/03 12:07 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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They are pretty nutritious. . .
It seems any rolled oats would work. That means Quaker.
Some people that say it's mushy don't have the moisture content correct.
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: flatalbert]
#1364773 - 03/11/03 03:53 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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What about oat flour? I understand this would probably slow colonization time, but it may do away with some of the hydration problems.
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: BigJohnson]
#1364803 - 03/11/03 04:07 AM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Anything containing whole oats including all the grain parts would work. That includes flour.
The problem with oats is that:
1) They get gummy if you don't split the moisture between the verm and oats like Maia did. The same mixture as PF may be used.
2) The nutrition isn't the best. Check out a nutrition table of different grains. I don't have the link handy or I would put it here. You might want to mix it with something with higher nitrogen. Rye grain flour and oat flour are an excellent mix balancing nitrogen and protein. If you have a high protein content, spawn mate is an excellent choice to raise yields because it acts on the proteins to convert them to more mushrooms.
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: MAIA]
#1369436 - 03/12/03 12:50 PM (20 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for this great thread MAIA.. I will bookmark this for the many times I see people asking what they can use instead of BRF..
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: motaman]
#1501615 - 04/28/03 05:42 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks like oats KICK ASS...Apparently!
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: simon303]
#1502417 - 04/28/03 09:27 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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wut method of sterlization was used? and if you PCed is it possible not too...if you know... thanks.;............................peaces
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictorial. [Re: MAIA]
#1508942 - 04/30/03 07:39 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I AM DOIN IT!!!!
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictorial. [Re: Macey Howard]
#1509377 - 04/30/03 09:46 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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those are great results MAIA.
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictorial. [Re: canid]
#1832710 - 08/20/03 08:32 AM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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any follow-ups on this by anyone ?
looks pretty sweet.
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictor [Re: Phred]
#2024648 - 10/20/03 04:19 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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It would be interesting to do a bulk run using Oat Flakes.
What was the water ratio you used again?
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Re: Oat flakes cake- Alternative substrate experiment pictorial. [Re: Hippie3]
#2025867 - 10/20/03 02:03 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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that growth is CRAZY! ... seems like it would be a great candidate for plopping into a garden planter instead of doing sterile casing and indoors and all that. the type of growth that can come off of a planter box seems very fitting to a mycelium habit like that... I'd just be happy to see some of that stuff get cased.
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