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the spiral
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Dietary Ayahusaca Restrictions - putting the rumor to rest
#13213037 - 09/18/10 07:13 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi all,
I have recently done a considerable amount of reading about the alkaloids found in B. Caapi and in Syrian rue. The opinion that has come closest to what I would consider a consensus states that these alkaloids only reversibly inhibit MAO-A, with little to no effect on MAO-B. For reasons that I'm not yet clear on, a drug selective to MAO-A like this , it has been stated, does NOT require any of the dietary restrictions that MAOIs which inhibit MAO-B as well require (especially if that inhibition is irreversible.)
That said, I was just reading an article on erowid that stated that the aforementioned alkaloids actually inhibit MAO-B, which has left me wondering what the heck to think. Here's a poll on the question, but please I'd like to encourage any and everyone with experience to comment.
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Ubitsa
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Re: Dietary Ayahusaca Restrictions - putting the rumor to rest [Re: the spiral]
#13213051 - 09/18/10 07:20 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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One thing that I never read before eating an MAOI - perhaps I missed it - is that afterwards, you cannot take an amphetamine like adderall for two weeks. If you take it sooner, you're at risk for serious heart problems.
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Re: Dietary Ayahusaca Restrictions - putting the rumor to rest [Re: Ubitsa]
#13213286 - 09/18/10 09:15 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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The santo daime does not restrict their diet before drinking their sacrament. So there can be something said for the risk being relatively low for interactions through diet. Medicines like SSRIs and other prescriptions however are a different story and should always be stopped at least a month in advance.
The diet is really not a myth or misinformation, rather the idea of dietary restriction is a part of the process of breaking down the ego that begins well before the ayahuasca experience. The food we eat, by choice, constitutes our solidified sense of self. We can remove that somewhat by changing the diet. Trust me if you do a ceremony and do the dieta in the week before you already start feeling nauseas, having strange dreams et... Its like the aya can sense you better without all the crap of normal everyday existence in your system. When you remove some of that you are preparing yourself to meet the ayahuasca on a very stripped-down level.
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Edited by ShroomDoom (09/18/10 10:26 AM)
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curenado
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Re: Dietary Ayahusaca Restrictions - putting the rumor to rest [Re: ShroomDoom]
#13213409 - 09/18/10 10:02 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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<<The diet is really not a myth or misinformation>>
for my part on that - I always thought the dietary warnings were more for using the stronger forms like rue as seeds and potent extracts etc.
I think the warnings are good to know generally because some folk may eat a LOT of tyrosine foods OFTEN and for them it would be risky, just like coffee+rue (bad deal) but pot+Rue potent.
But with ayahuasca, you are preparing the brew and not eating the plants themselves and so I think those warnings are not as applicable for the crisis thing.
As far as the spiritual part, I am listenting to those folk and taking it under advisement - if I haven't proved it for myself, I don't usually dis the experienced. They may know what they are talikng about.
But I couldn't answer the poll properly, because my answer was too long and had to do with the plants, forms and amounts you are using, plus the variable of individual differences.
I have to go "Better safe than sorry" when I say something because of that.
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Re: Dietary Ayahusaca Restrictions - putting the rumor to rest [Re: curenado]
#13213629 - 09/18/10 11:07 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Both syrian rue and b. caapi pages on erowid have links to the maoi page. In my opinion, if they're linked, it's because it's relevant and the information is important to know.
I've done shrooms and syrian rue many times and the times I didn't avoid items listed for avoiding on an maoi, were quite unpleasant with bad stomach aches, headaches and the likes.
Not listening to the dietary tips for any maoi is a very stupid thing to even consider. Depending on the maoi you're on, your life can be at risk if you take the wrong food. Granted with harmine and harmaline there doesn't look to be a risk to ones life.
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Re: Dietary Ayahusaca Restrictions - putting the rumor to rest [Re: Keg]
#13213831 - 09/18/10 12:17 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Through much reading I've found a direct correlation between bad trips, discomfort and those who eat ~4 hours prior to ingesting the medicine... Then again, maybe peoples expectations effected their trips rather than the food itself.....
Edited by StatuesCryBleeding (09/18/10 12:22 PM)
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