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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: koods] 1
#26304903 - 11/07/19 11:49 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: I said it a while back, I see the same transformation in falcon that we saw with Akira and Bhodi. The right wing propaganda machine is very effective on certain types of people. They first harden you against facts then they start pumping you full of conspiracy theories and anti-establishment malarkey and the next thing you know a former Bernie supporter is posting insane right wing cartoons.
Says the king of make believe.
Let's play a game. We'll each post something from the other person that turned out to be false. We'll take turns until someone can't find anything and that person loses. Loser's signature has to say "I'm an idiot compared to (winner) because I believe a lot more false information" and keep that signature visible for 3 months.
I'll even accept Shivas to be the judge of whether someone's post turned out to contain false information or not (if he is willing).
Are you in koods?
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shivas.wisdom said: Sharing Ben Garrison cartoons now? Yeah that'll really cement your reputation here as someone who cuts through the bullshit of both-sides, and not as a Trumpeter-in-denial.
I don't know who Ben Garrison is.
He's one of the most predominant political cartoonists of the alt-right - has been for years - and I find it hard to believe that you could take in active interest in US politics these days without becoming familiar with him - he's literally a meme because of his tendency to vastly over-label his cartoons - but allow me to introduce you to the individual who's content you are sharing:
We've got "globalists" and deep state conspiracies!



We've got anti-vaccination quackery!



We've got climate change denial!




We've got antisemitism!

We've got support of Stephen Molyneux!

We've got anti-Islam!

We've got white genocide conspiracy!

We've got pizza gate!

We've got conservative victimization!

We've got false flag conspiracy!

We've got anti-immigration!

Does the above strike you as deranged? Well that's how you and your claims of "TDS" are sounding like, more and more every day.
So did you unknowingly share alt-right propaganda without critical examination because it appears to agree with your own preconceptions? That would do a lot of damage to your attempt to cultivate a persona of level-headed political criticism.
Either you have displayed a critical lapse in judgment, or an attempt to disguise your newly acquired predisposition to alt-right propaganda. Neither one is a good look
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I never heard of the guy before myself, but he's pretty talented in my opinion.
Also, if Fal found merit in just one of his memes, that hardly means he endorses all of his work or the alt-right political movement. That would be a fallacious argument.
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Fal, if you’re digging Ben Garrison, just wait til you get into Stone Toss!
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koods said: I said it a while back, I see the same transformation in falcon that we saw with Akira and Bhodi. The right wing propaganda machine is very effective on certain types of people. They first harden you against facts then they start pumping you full of conspiracy theories and anti-establishment malarkey and the next thing you know a former Bernie supporter is posting insane right wing cartoons.
Says the king of make believe.
Let's play a game. We'll each post something from the other person that turned out to be false. We'll take turns until someone can't find anything and that person loses. Loser's signature has to say "I'm an idiot compared to (winner) because I believe a lot more false information" and keep that signature visible for 3 months.
I'll even accept Shivas to be the judge of whether someone's post turned out to contain false information or not (if he is willing).
Are you in koods? 
Yeah no. One of your most endearing qualities is your inability to acknowledge facts. Russia hacking the DNC, for example.
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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: koods] 1
#26305294 - 11/07/19 02:27 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Yeah no. One of your most endearing qualities is your inability to acknowledge facts. Russia hacking the DNC, for example.
I've acknowledged Russia hacked the DNC. The question is who leaked the emails to WikiLeaks, and where's the evidence of that?
There is evidence to show it probably wasn't Russia, but we don't know for sure.
Oh wait - the king of make believe doesn't need evidence!
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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: qman] 3
#26305295 - 11/07/19 02:28 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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qman said: I never heard of the guy before myself, but he's pretty talented in my opinion.
Also, if Fal found merit in just one of his memes, that hardly means he endorses all of his work or the alt-right political movement. That would be a fallacious argument.
True, the inclusion of a bad source doesn't necessarily invalidate the entire argument but, and correct me if I'm wrong, I don't believe I suggested that.
That being said, the things we choose to share do reflect our own ability to critically evaluate both information we receive and the source of origin. The fact that Falcon91Wolvrn03 claims to be unfamiliar with Ben Garrison leads me to the conclusion that, upon seeing a comic that agreed with their own political beliefs, they shared the graphic without anything deeper than a surface-level evaluation.
The result, if we are to take Falcon91Wolvrn03 at their word, is that they unwittingly amplified the platform of an alt-right cartoonist with deeply questionable ideology. Seeing as how I often see Falcon91Wolvrn03 criticizing the corporate media for a lack of proper due-diligence before publishing news articles, it would seem fairly hypocritical of Falcon91Wolvrn03 to be obviously doing the same thing
I'm not claiming that sharing a Ben Garrison cartoon casts doubt on Falcon91Wolvrn03's argument - I'm claiming that sharing a Ben Garrison cartoon casts doubt on Falcon91Wolvrn03's character as a non-biased rational actor.
I would be open to any arguments explaining how Falcon91Wolvrn03's admission that they have no idea who Ben Garrison is doesn't imply that they uncritically pass on information that agrees with their personal bias.
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qman said: I never heard of the guy before myself, but he's pretty talented in my opinion.
Also, if Fal found merit in just one of his memes, that hardly means he endorses all of his work or the alt-right political movement. That would be a fallacious argument.
True, the inclusion of a bad source doesn't necessarily invalidate the entire argument but, and correct me if I'm wrong, I don't believe I suggested that.
That being said, the things we choose to share do reflect our own ability to critically evaluate both information we receive and the source of origin. The fact that Falcon91Wolvrn03 claims to be unfamiliar with Ben Garrison leads me to the conclusion that, upon seeing a comic that agreed with their own political beliefs, they shared the graphic without anything deeper than a surface-level evaluation.
The result, if we are to take Falcon91Wolvrn03 at their word, is that they unwittingly amplified the platform of an alt-right cartoonist with deeply questionable ideology. Seeing as how I often see Falcon91Wolvrn03 criticizing the corporate media for a lack of proper due-diligence before publishing news articles, it would seem fairly hypocritical of Falcon91Wolvrn03 to be obviously doing the same thing
I'm not claiming that sharing a Ben Garrison cartoon casts doubt on Falcon91Wolvrn03's argument - I'm claiming that sharing a Ben Garrison cartoon casts doubt on Falcon91Wolvrn03's character as a non-biased rational actor.
I would be open to any arguments explaining how Falcon91Wolvrn03's admission that they have no idea who Ben Garrison is doesn't imply that they uncritically pass on information that agrees with their personal bias.
"casts doubt on Falcon91Wolvrn03's character as a non-biased rational actor"
Oh really, give me a break already. Everyone in this forum is filled with biases, does that fact make us irrational?
"pass on information that agrees with their personal bias"
Again, what does anyone post that doesn't agree with "their personal bias"? It's the reason why we're all here, correct? Just because don't happen to agree with it, it's now irrational? I don't think so.
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I agree with qman here. But I'll try to address your points.
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shivas.wisdom said: The things we choose to share do reflect our own ability to critically evaluate both information we receive and the source of origin. The fact that Falcon91Wolvrn03 claims to be unfamiliar with Ben Garrison leads me to the conclusion that, upon seeing a comic that agreed with their own political beliefs, they shared the graphic without anything deeper than a surface-level evaluation.
I agree with the content in the comic but I don't think the source is important as you seem to think. That's consistent with all of my posting. Just because I defend Putin or Trump does NOT mean I like either of them. It just means I agree with one particular point (or more likely, I disagree with a point that someone else tried to make believe).
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shivas.wisdom said: The result, if we are to take Falcon91Wolvrn03 at their word, is that they unwittingly amplified the platform of an alt-right cartoonist with deeply questionable ideology. Seeing as how I often see Falcon91Wolvrn03 criticizing the corporate media for a lack of proper due-diligence before publishing news articles, it would seem fairly hypocritical of Falcon91Wolvrn03 to be obviously doing the same thing
Again, to me the source is irrelevant; I'll gladly post Tucker Carlson if he makes a good point, even if I otherwise disagree with Tucker.
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shivas.wisdom said: I'm not claiming that sharing a Ben Garrison cartoon casts doubt on Falcon91Wolvrn03's argument - I'm claiming that sharing a Ben Garrison cartoon casts doubt on Falcon91Wolvrn03's character as a non-biased rational actor.
I would be open to any arguments explaining how Falcon91Wolvrn03's admission that they have no idea who Ben Garrison is doesn't imply that they uncritically pass on information that agrees with their personal bias.
Qman answered this for me, and I agree with him.
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Burke Dennings said: Fal, if you’re digging Ben Garrison, just wait til you get into Stone Toss!
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IRT the argument happening: sharing Ben garrison memes and tucker Carlson videos doesn’t make you seem objective, makes you seem opportunistic, or even gullible if you don’t even know who beb garrison is.
Just my two cents
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Fair.
Meaning some people are so biased that the content of what I post is ignored simply because of the source, not because of the content.
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Funny that the right screams fake news while portraying such blantant awful propaganda. Nazi's did a lot of that.
All the alt right needs is some occult thinking.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Fair.
Meaning some people are so biased that the content of what I post is ignored simply because of the source, not because of the content. 
Yes. And that is a perfectly reasonable decision. People have limited time and we cannot entertain and debunk facts all day long. If a source has proven themselves not to be credible, there needs to be a compelling reason to even give them the time of day.
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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: koods]
#26305770 - 11/07/19 05:52 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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For example. Jimmy dore. A half decade or so ago I heard him talk about the building 7 conspiracy. He was a believer. There are some things like believing in complete bullshit like that which permanently disqualifies them in my eyes as a reputable source of ideas and facts. Your judgement has to be so flawed to believe something like that. It’s a deal breaker.
But still I watched those videos qman posted and my assessment was affirmed. In both cases he totally misrepresented the words of the person he was criticizing. I will not watch another.
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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: koods]
#26305794 - 11/07/19 06:07 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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People start to see their beliefs manifest. It's a frightening reality for both sane and insane.
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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Morel Guy]
#26305805 - 11/07/19 06:11 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fucked up guy, this Ben Garrison and his twisted worldview.
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#26305986 - 11/07/19 07:51 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ben Garrison makes fetish art for the alt right.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Fair.
Meaning some people are so biased that the content of what I post is ignored simply because of the source, not because of the content. 
Genetic Fallacy seems pretty en vogue these days.
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Burke Dennings said: Ben Garrison makes fetish art for the alt right.
This stuff too. The MAGA bomber had this image on his van
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