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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: chibiabos]
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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: qman] * 2
    #25287641 - 06/23/18 03:52 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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I wouldn't have any issue with using $175b per year for "ending extreme poverty for the whole world".  I highly doubt that would be enough and I think other problems would also arise, but in theory it's fine with me.

"The resources exist to give everyone a decent existence, both in the US and elsewhere"

This is where we disagree and also where the problem lies in this discussion. There isn't enough of resources for everyone to live a first world standard of living, so there's only a few options- 1. Divide the resources equally. 2. Give more resources to the less advantaged at the expense of the first world. 

I don't think you or Christman would accept anything less than option #1, and any discrepancy in resources would still have the same "ill-gotten gains" attached to it.




I disagree. We found $80B to INCREASE the already bloated military budget in this country alone. I think the entire world can find double that to stop extreme poverty.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: The Ecstatic] * 4
    #25287720 - 06/23/18 04:44 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25287750 - 06/23/18 05:00 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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qman said:
I wouldn't have any issue with using $175b per year for "ending extreme poverty for the whole world".  I highly doubt that would be enough and I think other problems would also arise, but in theory it's fine with me.

"The resources exist to give everyone a decent existence, both in the US and elsewhere"

This is where we disagree and also where the problem lies in this discussion. There isn't enough of resources for everyone to live a first world standard of living, so there's only a few options- 1. Divide the resources equally. 2. Give more resources to the less advantaged at the expense of the first world. 

I don't think you or Christman would accept anything less than option #1, and any discrepancy in resources would still have the same "ill-gotten gains" attached to it.




I disagree. We found $80B to INCREASE the already bloated military budget in this country alone. I think the entire world can find double that to stop extreme poverty.




"I disagree"

With what exactly?  I stated "I wouldn't have any issue".

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25287760 - 06/23/18 05:04 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Well, humans can "built societies, By cooperating" and still have very selfish traits.

"Humans are naturally social"

And naturally tribal.

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25288670 - 06/24/18 04:38 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Great quote.

Extremely misleading lol


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: qman] * 1
    #25288870 - 06/24/18 08:14 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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qman said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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qman said:
I wouldn't have any issue with using $175b per year for "ending extreme poverty for the whole world".  I highly doubt that would be enough and I think other problems would also arise, but in theory it's fine with me.

"The resources exist to give everyone a decent existence, both in the US and elsewhere"

This is where we disagree and also where the problem lies in this discussion. There isn't enough of resources for everyone to live a first world standard of living, so there's only a few options- 1. Divide the resources equally. 2. Give more resources to the less advantaged at the expense of the first world. 

I don't think you or Christman would accept anything less than option #1, and any discrepancy in resources would still have the same "ill-gotten gains" attached to it.




I disagree. We found $80B to INCREASE the already bloated military budget in this country alone. I think the entire world can find double that to stop extreme poverty.




"I disagree"

With what exactly?  I stated "I wouldn't have any issue".




I disagree that there arent enough resources.

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qman said:
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The Ecstatic said:





Well, humans can "built societies, By cooperating" and still have very selfish traits.

"Humans are naturally social"

And naturally tribal.




Almost like tribes are social groups.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: The Ecstatic] * 4
    #25288994 - 06/24/18 09:42 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #25289702 - 06/24/18 06:15 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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How are we going to pay for it? With money.


Next question.



That's why he is grabbing for the wallet of the guy in the yellow shirt.

How are we going to pay for all this free stuff? You are going to pay for it.



No, if you actually followed Bernie's proposals, you'd realize that they benefit vast majority of taxpayers at the expense of the super rich.

It's honorable of you to be willing to accept a lower standard of living so that our billionaires can do a little better, but I personally don't think billionaires need help as much as the rest of us.  :shrug:


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #25290512 - 06/25/18 07:29 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25290587 - 06/25/18 08:35 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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qman said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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qman said:
I wouldn't have any issue with using $175b per year for "ending extreme poverty for the whole world".  I highly doubt that would be enough and I think other problems would also arise, but in theory it's fine with me.

"The resources exist to give everyone a decent existence, both in the US and elsewhere"

This is where we disagree and also where the problem lies in this discussion. There isn't enough of resources for everyone to live a first world standard of living, so there's only a few options- 1. Divide the resources equally. 2. Give more resources to the less advantaged at the expense of the first world. 

I don't think you or Christman would accept anything less than option #1, and any discrepancy in resources would still have the same "ill-gotten gains" attached to it.




I disagree. We found $80B to INCREASE the already bloated military budget in this country alone. I think the entire world can find double that to stop extreme poverty.




"I disagree"

With what exactly?  I stated "I wouldn't have any issue".




I disagree that there arent enough resources.





We both know there's not enough resources for everyone to live a first world standard of living.

Are there enough resources to lift everyone out of at least "extreme poverty"?  I don't think we know.

The problem with you and Christman is that you would cause my standard of living to drop to make up the difference, and I find that highly problematic.

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25290591 - 06/25/18 08:38 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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What was he involved in to be so "afraid"?  It doesn't make any sense.

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: qman] * 4
    #25290874 - 06/25/18 11:55 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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What was he involved in to be so "afraid"?  It doesn't make any sense.



He was black.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25290884 - 06/25/18 12:00 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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qman said:
What was he involved in to be so "afraid"?  It doesn't make any sense.



He was black.




So he was afraid of other blacks then? :shrug: Because he's most likely to be a victim from a violent act committed by another black.

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: qman] * 2
    #25290886 - 06/25/18 12:01 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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We both know there's not enough resources for everyone to live a first world standard of living.



You conceded that argument here, and said that while there may be enough resources, "third world migrants are NOT productive, they are leeches" and that's why we couldn't raise everyone to a higher standard of living.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: qman] * 1
    #25290907 - 06/25/18 12:18 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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qman said:
What was he involved in to be so "afraid"?  It doesn't make any sense.



He was black.




So he was afraid of other blacks then? :shrug: Because he's most likely to be a victim from a violent act committed by another black.




Maybe he is. Can’t he also be afraid of the police? Are people only allowed to be worried about one thing at a time? Of course not. You’re worried about black people and Mexicans... at the same time.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25290921 - 06/25/18 12:25 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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qman said:
We both know there's not enough resources for everyone to live a first world standard of living.



You conceded that argument here, and said that while there may be enough resources, "third world migrants are NOT productive, they are leeches" and that's why we couldn't raise everyone to a higher standard of living.




I was referring to third world migrants which invaded the EU, not the billions of poor people currently living in their homelands. You do see the difference?

If you want to discuss the original topic, please do so. If you want to make another strawman, please don't.

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