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The Ecstatic
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Reposting this because its increasingly relevant as time goes on:
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The Ecstatic said: Reposting this because its increasingly relevant as time goes on:

"mass redistribution of the ill-gotten gains of the first world"
Oh one of these guys who wants to turn the US in a third world shithole to make him feel better about himself.
A friend of yours?
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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: qman]
#25285773 - 06/22/18 06:18 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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whos matt Christman?
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MagicMush123 said: whos matt Christman?
Some guilt-ridden liberal that wants us to live a much lower standard living so he can feel better about himself.
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God damn.
The artist really found his inspiration.
A powerful image.
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qman said:
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The Ecstatic said: Reposting this because its increasingly relevant as time goes on:

"mass redistribution of the ill-gotten gains of the first world"
Oh one of these guys who wants to turn the US in a third world shithole to make him feel better about himself.
A friend of yours?
Oh look, qman is making a bad faith argument by dodging the very premise even he himself typed out in quotes. I am shocked.
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MagicMush123 said: whos matt Christman?
Not a liberal. Qman doesnt think anyone left of liberals exist, or if they do theyre crazy.
Yessiree, the whole of the feasible political spectrum is everyone to the right of Obama (a centrist). You may be wondering "if obama is a centrist, doesnt that means half of the political spectrum is to his left?" But rest assured, all of those ideas are inherently crazy and utopian. Anyways, back to walling off all the brown people and promoting fascism.
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"dodging the very premise"
Oh, the West is bad and needs to come into balance with the rest of the world? So in other words, turn the West into a third world shithole because we now deserve it.
"back to walling off brown people"
Yes, enforcing our existing laws.
"promoting fascism"
Change the immigration laws that the majority of US citizens endorse.
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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: qman]
#25286746 - 06/23/18 08:07 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Can you really not fathom anything deeper than good or bad?
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Bernie Sanders never wants to say it out loud. In a debate with Ted Cruz, he was forced to say it. He could barely do it. It's his dirty little secret.
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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: XUL] 2
#25286766 - 06/23/18 08:23 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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How are we going to pay for it? With money.
Next question.
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That's why he is grabbing for the wallet of the guy in the yellow shirt.
How are we going to pay for all this free stuff? You are going to pay for it.
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The Ecstatic said: Can you really not fathom anything deeper than good or bad?
Excuse me, "ill-gotten gains".
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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: qman]
#25286774 - 06/23/18 08:26 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Right, what do you think he means by that?
Try actually thinking about that question before you hit the "LOL so the whole west is evil?! " button
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The Ecstatic said: Right, what do you think he means by that?
Why don't you explain it to us?
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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: qman]
#25287022 - 06/23/18 10:37 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd like to hear your thoughts before i type out 600 words that you immediately dismiss.
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"Benefits obtained in an evil manner or by dishonest means"
I think it's pretty clear what he means. Since he believes that's the case, I assume he would like to see that outcome reversed to bring some form of social justice, correct?
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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: qman] 3
#25287095 - 06/23/18 11:14 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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He's referring to the centuries of imperialism that have brought extreme wealth to some at the expense of most everyone else.
The resources exist to give everyone a decent existence, both in the US and elsewhere. And before you freak out, that doesnt mean taking everyone's iphones and giving them to Africans. It means taking the obscene wealth away from the very few (wealth gained primarily thru exploitation) and allowing the poor and desperate to not die of easily preventable problems, with clean water, food, shelter, and medicine.
Ending extreme poverty for the whole world is estimated to cost about $175B per year.
The GWP (gross world product) is about $80T per year.
You're telling me we can't take 2% of that money, at a time of unprecedented wealth inequality, to make sure all of humanity has food, water, medicine, and shelter?
Not to mention the economic benefits of converting the extreme poor into people who can actually contribute to society, rather than sit in UN tents waiting to die of starvation and malaria.
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I wouldn't have any issue with using $175b per year for "ending extreme poverty for the whole world". I highly doubt that would be enough and I think other problems would also arise, but in theory it's fine with me.
"The resources exist to give everyone a decent existence, both in the US and elsewhere"
This is where we disagree and also where the problem lies in this discussion. There isn't enough of resources for everyone to live a first world standard of living, so there's only a few options- 1. Divide the resources equally. 2. Give more resources to the less advantaged at the expense of the first world.
I don't think you or Christman would accept anything less than option #1, and any discrepancy in resources would still have the same "ill-gotten gains" attached to it.
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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: qman] 1
#25287447 - 06/23/18 02:15 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have the issue that this was published in lying around somewhere. Back in the days when HW's idiot son was the worst anybody could imagine...
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