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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #25267663 - 06/14/18 10:54 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
man its almost like youre admitting that the wars have more to do with being targeted by terrorists than does accepting refugees from those wars. That would explain why the US, UK, and France have been targeted especially, despite the US not taking in really any refugees, and a dozen other glaring realities.

Would also explain 9/11, the USS Cole, the embassy bombing in Beirut, and a fuckton of other terrorist attacks that happened before the migrant crisis existed.

Man, shit, history be WILD!




Nice rant, but try making a point.

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25267684 - 06/14/18 11:05 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
man its almost like youre admitting that the wars have more to do with being targeted by terrorists than does accepting refugees from those wars. That would explain why the US, UK, and France have been targeted especially, despite the US not taking in really any refugees, and a dozen other glaring realities.

Would also explain 9/11, the USS Cole, the embassy bombing in Beirut, and a fuckton of other terrorist attacks that happened before the migrant crisis existed.

Man, shit, history be WILD!



Literally your arguments for everything are either capitalism,  they/we deserve it for our military actions or racism.

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: MagicMush123]
    #25267710 - 06/14/18 11:16 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
    #25267976 - 06/14/18 01:49 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
man its almost like youre admitting that the wars have more to do with being targeted by terrorists than does accepting refugees from those wars. That would explain why the US, UK, and France have been targeted especially, despite the US not taking in really any refugees, and a dozen other glaring realities.

Would also explain 9/11, the USS Cole, the embassy bombing in Beirut, and a fuckton of other terrorist attacks that happened before the migrant crisis existed.

Man, shit, history be WILD!



Literally your arguments for everything are either capitalism,  they/we deserve it for our military actions or racism.




Capitalism is the prevailing ideology on the planet, and the most powerful militaries are run at its behest.

Only a naive child would think neither deserves blame.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: qman] * 2
    #25267980 - 06/14/18 01:50 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
man its almost like youre admitting that the wars have more to do with being targeted by terrorists than does accepting refugees from those wars. That would explain why the US, UK, and France have been targeted especially, despite the US not taking in really any refugees, and a dozen other glaring realities.

Would also explain 9/11, the USS Cole, the embassy bombing in Beirut, and a fuckton of other terrorist attacks that happened before the migrant crisis existed.

Man, shit, history be WILD!




Nice rant, but try making a point.




If you cant pretend to be offended, pretend to not understand altogether.


Imagine reading three sentences and thinking its an incoherent rant.

Lmao what children.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25268031 - 06/14/18 02:24 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

And your point is?  :rolleyes:

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: qman] * 3
    #25268048 - 06/14/18 02:33 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

My
Point
Is
That
The
Wars
Are
A
Direct
Contributor
To
Islamic
Terrorists
Targeting
The
West
.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #25268133 - 06/14/18 03:24 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
My
Point
Is
That
The
Wars
Are
A
Direct
Contributor
To
Islamic
Terrorists
Targeting
The
West
.




That's why you're proving my point. Why would you invite your pissed off neighbors into your home if they think you deliberately let your dog shit on their front door step everyday?  Yeah, come on in, nothing bad will happen. :flowstone:

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: qman] * 1
    #25268165 - 06/14/18 03:40 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Implying all refugees and migrants are islamic terrorists...


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25268719 - 06/14/18 08:12 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
My
Point
Is
That
The
Wars
Are
A
Direct
Contributor
To
Islamic
Terrorists
Targeting
The
West
.



Dude, you're totally right. The west were actually the original terrorizers(through military actions) so therefore they want to attack us, to get back at us for such actions.  So how exactly is it good policy to invite those pissed off folks into our homes? They have proven to be quite deadly and pissed off

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
    #25268942 - 06/14/18 10:09 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
My
Point
Is
That
The
Wars
Are
A
Direct
Contributor
To
Islamic
Terrorists
Targeting
The
West
.



Dude, you're totally right. The west were actually the original terrorizers(through military actions) so therefore they want to attack us, to get back at us for such actions.  So how exactly is it good policy to invite those pissed off folks into our homes? They have proven to be quite deadly and pissed off




A small subset of the (not entirely Muslim) population is  an Islamic terrorist and violently hostile to the West and actively plans to carry out terrorist acts.

This is why there is extreme vetting, and refugees spend years in cages before given the chance to re-enter society.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25269010 - 06/14/18 11:05 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
My
Point
Is
That
The
Wars
Are
A
Direct
Contributor
To
Islamic
Terrorists
Targeting
The
West
.



Dude, you're totally right. The west were actually the original terrorizers(through military actions) so therefore they want to attack us, to get back at us for such actions.  So how exactly is it good policy to invite those pissed off folks into our homes? They have proven to be quite deadly and pissed off




A small subset of the (not entirely Muslim) population is  an Islamic terrorist and violently hostile to the West and actively plans to carry out terrorist acts.

This is why there is extreme vetting, and refugees spend years in cages before given the chance to re-enter society.



There's literally no vetting tho... hence open border policy. Even Canada ditched the heavy vetting policy in favor of the rubber stamp mass approval policy.. fuck cuckdeau

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
    #25269239 - 06/15/18 02:43 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
My
Point
Is
That
The
Wars
Are
A
Direct
Contributor
To
Islamic
Terrorists
Targeting
The
West
.



Dude, you're totally right. The west were actually the original terrorizers(through military actions) so therefore they want to attack us, to get back at us for such actions.  So how exactly is it good policy to invite those pissed off folks into our homes? They have proven to be quite deadly and pissed off




A small subset of the (not entirely Muslim) population is  an Islamic terrorist and violently hostile to the West and actively plans to carry out terrorist acts.

This is why there is extreme vetting, and refugees spend years in cages before given the chance to re-enter society.



There's literally no vetting tho... hence open border policy. Even Canada ditched the heavy vetting policy in favor of the rubber stamp mass approval policy.. fuck cuckdeau




Interestingly, the Conservatives have been trying to put pressure on the Liberals to implement permanent programs for LGBTQ refugees

Quote:

The Conservatives are calling on the federal government to increase the number of LGBTQ refugees it accepts every year, and to make permanent the funding for a pilot project that helps LGBTQ refugees come to Canada.

"Funding for immigration programs should ostensibly be tied to ... immigration levels," Conservative immigration critic Michelle Rempel told CBC News.

"I would like to see the ratio of LGBTQ refugees increased in Canada as part of our levels because, frankly, Canada is one of the safest countries in the world for that community."

Rempel made the request in the House of Commons Wednesday but her motion did not pass.

In March, Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen announced that funding of $50,000 a year for the Rainbow Refugee Assistance Pilot Project would be extended for two years.

The project helps fund a project run by a Vancouver-based community group that assists people looking for refugee status in Canada due to persecution based on their sexual orientation, gender or HIV status.

Rempel said that Canada should not only permanently fund the pilot project — first launched under the Conservatives and extended under the Liberals — it should increase the number of refugees from this group.

The Conservative MP said she was not pushing for a specific funding amount, but rather for funding on a permanent basis so those working on behalf of LBGTQ refugees could conduct much needed long-term planning.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lgbtq-refugee-rainbow-funding-1.4705254

Canada still has a lot of our vetting practices still in place for overseas immigration tho


Quote:


Refugee identification before referral to IRCC
Canada worked with the United Nations Refugee Agency (UNHCR) in Jordan and Lebanon and the government of Turkey, to prioritize vulnerable refugees who were a lower security risk, such as women at risk and complete families.

Immigration and security interview by experienced visa officers
The interview was an important part of the process. It was used to validate the applicants’ information before they could be selected. Not all applicants were selected as part of this plan but may be reconsidered in the future.

Identity and document verification; biometric and biographic collection
Applicants had their identity and documents verified through all stages of processing, with support from law enforcement and intelligence partners as needed, before they were accepted to come to Canada.
Officers abroad collected biographical and biometric information, including fingerprints and digital photos. We conducted security screening of the refugees, including checking immigration, law enforcement and security databases.
Refugees had to pass all security checks and medical screening before we issued a permanent resident visa.

Health screening
We conducted a full immigration medical exam, including screening for contagious diseases (such as tuberculosis) as part of the immigration process before arrival in Canada

Identity confirmation prior to departure
Before they left for Canada, the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) confirmed the identity of each refugee.




https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/refugees/welcome-syrian-refugees/security-health-screening.html

our biggest issue of late has been foot-traffic from the US
whenever Trump issues a ban or threatens to throw people out, illegals cross into Canada thinking they will have more chance to stay

Quote:

As Ni­ger­ian asylum seekers flood into Canada across a ditch in Upstate New York, Canadian authorities are asking the United States for help — but not with managing the influx at the border.

Instead, they want U.S. immigration officials to reduce the foot traffic by screening Nigerians more stringently before granting them U.S. visas.

It is a ripple effect that few expected last summer when people, mostly Haitians, began to walk into Quebec via an “irregular” border crossing north of Plattsburgh, N.Y., and seek refugee status.

With the coming of spring, the flow has picked up again. But recently, the asylum seekers have been mostly Ni­ger­ian, and their route to the border is more problematic, Canadian officials say.

Many Haitians had lived in the United States for years before suddenly learning they would lose their protected status and fleeing north. But many of the Nigerian asylum seekers are arriving in Quebec with recently issued U.S. visitor visas, said Mathieu Genest, a spokesman for Canada’s immigration minister.

“They’re not using the visa for the reason it was intended for,” he said.
Canada is not asking U.S. officials to refuse entry to Nigerians, Genest said. It is seeking stricter screening to ensure that Nigerians who are granted U.S. visitor visas truly intend to return home.



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But the election of Donald Trump changed his mind. “He doesn’t want immigrants,” he said. “Canada is open for an immigrant.”

The Canadian government has been trying to tone down its welcoming image — or, rather, to provide accurate information about how it processes refugee claims. Ethnic communities in the United States have been warned that actually winning refu­gee status here is hard.

But the campaign has been ineffective. As of mid-April, nearly 6,000 people had entered Quebec unofficially, three times as many as during the same period in 2017. And in 2017, claims across the country had doubled from the year before.



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No one can officially enter Canada from the United States as a refugee claimant because of the Safe Third Country Agreement, which forces people arriving in either country to make their claim where they first land. Last year, however, a way around that became apparent, when news organizations and past border-crossers on social media publicized the locations of Canada’s unofficial land crossings, opening an opportunity for Nigerians.

“If your final [destination] is Canada, you’ll want to walk across the border,” Proctor said.

The State Department says that it has “strong working relationships” with Canadian colleagues and that screening is constantly improving, but it isn’t planning any bigger changes to its visa program.

“National security is our top priority when adjudicating visa applications,” a department representative said in a statement. “At this time, we have no changes to our visa application process to announce.”

The United States has also become less appealing to Nigerians as a place to stay rather than to pass through, they say. Many took personally two comments reportedly made by Trump — one last June about Nigerian immigrants going “back to their huts” and another in January about African “s---hole” countries.

Winning U.S. asylum claims has become much harder, as well. The approval rate dropped 26 percent from 2016 to 2017, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services statistics compiled by Human Rights First.

Eleanor Acer, the Washington-based group’s director of refu­gee protection, said Canada is well aware that, for many people, the only way to claim asylum in any country is to get a visitor visa first.

“It’s shocking and disappointing that they are trying to encourage another country to deny visas to people who are, in some cases, legitimately seeking protection from persecution,” she said.

As a signatory to international conventions, Acer said, Canada should open its doors further and “actually terminate its Safe Third Country Agreement . . . if the United States is simply not meeting that standard, given its harsh treatment of asylum seekers.”

Canadian officials have said they are not looking to abandon the agreement, although last week, they struck a slightly different tone.

Given the current numbers of asylum seekers, “we have contingency plans,” Genest said. “That being said, we are constantly in conversation with the U.S., making sure that the Safe Third Country Agreement is working for both countries.”

Many of Canada’s new asylum seekers may end up disappointed. Of asylum claims processed last year — a minority of the total awaiting adjudication — more than half of the Nigerians were rejected, a significant jump from the previous three years, and nearly three-quarters of the Haitians were rejected, up from about half.

Their likely fate: deportation.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/nigerians-are-walking-into-canada-prompting-request-for-us-to-take-action/2018/04/27/f9357a0c-45b6-11e8-b2dc-b0a403e4720a_story.html?utm_term=.c90d13d8714f

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #25269261 - 06/15/18 03:19 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

https://www.google.com/amp/torontosun.com/2017/04/27/liberals-planning-to-rubber-stamp-potentially-dangerous-asylum-seekers/wcm/a0d13cf2-987a-4cca-b9af-a1352f4da8df/amp



"According to two senior sources — both former high-ranking officials in the department of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, the new policy would fast-track and quickly accept asylum claims from countries with historically high acceptance rates into Canada by the Immigration Refugee Board (IRB).

Examples of countries that could fall under this category include Pakistan, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, and Eritrea.

According to a notice quietly posted on the IRB website last month, the government is working to fast-track applications.

“As a result of rapidly increasing refugee claims, global instability and a backlog of new refugee claims, the IRB will be changing its approach for scheduling RPD (Refugee Protection Division) hearings beginning at the end of March 2017,” the notice says.

It goes on to state that, under the new forthcoming process, “certain claims identified by the RPD as straight forward will be scheduled for a short hearing.”

A former official familiar with this process told the Toronto Sun that in these circumstances, that process would mean that “certain claims may be approved without a hearing” and instead would be rubber-stamped based on a “paper-based only” application."


Trudeau is abandoning harpers and the conservatives one on one interview to screen for extremism. They want to fast track nations with 80% approval rating or higher.  That means those 20% that would normally get rejected, would be fast tracked as well! Lets fast track terrorists into our country :cookiemonster:


The cuck also wont tackle the illegal border crossings problem. But instead he is encouraging it. With promises of work, welfare, English classes, health care:feelsbadman:

https://www.google.com/amp/torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/malcolm-immigration-program-getting-worse-under-trudeau/amp
Accepting refugees with serious health problems.  But hey, we already have Canadians paying into the system and waiting months on end for surgeries, but hey whats another 6 months when already waiting for months on end to receive treatment :shrug:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/asylum-seekers-have-flooded-into-canada-the-government-is-putting-them-to-work/2018/05/20/5cd4e218-593b-11e8-858f-12becb4d6067_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c6ef9cb9ba0c




"In Canada, and particularly Quebec, asylum seekers get shelter, food, legal aid, basic health care, language classes and help finding an apartment, and they begin to receive welfare payments at the same rate as Canadian citizens. But they’re also given work permits and asked to support themselves as soon as possible, paying taxes at normal rates."


Trudeau should be telling illegal border crossers that they are not welcome here. They are breaking the law and putting stress on an already vulnerable system.  But instead he tweets #welcome to Canada :justkillmenow:. Mark my words the cuck will be ousted on election day. I would assume the conservatives will be back in power. I don't know the politics of Manitoba, but here in bc (the California of Canada) the anti refugee sentiment is strong, and the hate for Trudeau is even stronger. I think i can literally count on one hand of the people that i have talked to that were pro Trudeau

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: MagicMush123] * 2
    #25269287 - 06/15/18 04:10 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
...
Trudeau is abandoning harpers and the conservatives one on one interview to screen for extremism. They want to fast track nations with 80% approval rating or higher.  That means those 20% that would normally get rejected, would be fast tracked as well! Lets fast track terrorists into our country :cookiemonster:
...




Keep in mind, tho, that Scheer's opponent in the Conservative leadership run who focused on increasing screening for extremism
ended up getting beaten down by her own party in favour of someone more presentable
we may very well have to put pressure on Scheer come election time to take a more direct stance against Trudeau,
if you want to see capitalization on this

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MagicMush123 said:
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/asylum-seekers-have-flooded-into-canada-the-government-is-putting-them-to-work/2018/05/20/5cd4e218-593b-11e8-858f-12becb4d6067_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c6ef9cb9ba0c




"In Canada, and particularly Quebec, asylum seekers get shelter, food, legal aid, basic health care, language classes and help finding an apartment, and they begin to receive welfare payments at the same rate as Canadian citizens. But they’re also given work permits and asked to support themselves as soon as possible, paying taxes at normal rates."


Trudeau should be telling illegal border crossers that they are not welcome here. They are breaking the law and putting stress on an already vulnerable system.  But instead he tweets #welcome to Canada :justkillmenow:. Mark my words the cuck will be ousted on election day. I would assume the conservatives will be back in power. I don't know the politics of Manitoba, but here in bc (the California of Canada) the anti refugee sentiment is strong, and the hate for Trudeau is even stronger. I think i can literally count on one hand of the people that i have talked to that were pro Trudeau




Trudeau has also had to walk back on things like those remarks
particularly in the past recent weeks he has gotten more begrudging appreciation around here
for taking a strong stance against Trump -- particularly when Scheer got blasted on Twitter for trying to blame Trudeau for the steel and aluminium tariffs

personally hoping for a minority or coalition government whatever the outcome
find our government functions best when no one party gets to run away with things
it was not my desire to see the Liberals get a majority in the first place
but Mulcair biffed things right on the eve of the election when he went pro-hijab against Harper in the debates

personally am somewhat glad that the foot-based refugees are getting work permits so quickly
rather than getting lost in the system and getting into crime
we are in a relatively 'okay' place with them right now; sucks to deal with illegal immigration, but it happens with neighbours like Trump

at least presently they are turning themselves in for citizenship or deportation
but lord help us once they start realizing that they can vanish and find off-the-books work in Québec

anti-immigration sentiment is likely stronger out here than in BC
personally am comparatively liberal when weighted against local friends and family
but know a lot of people who get frustrated with legal immigration
particularly with regards to Filipinos as they move over in large extended families
and all work legitimate jobs, usually shit like McDonalds and Tim Hortons
hear a lot of complaints about not being able to understand broken English or them taking up jobs that Manitobans could be doing
but am fully aware that Tim Hortons and McDonalds are viewed incredibly negatively as employers, but the immigrants do not hold that prejudice and apply

e.e
apparently, when formatting my post, managed to delete my response to the opinion piece regarding health issues, so rewriting it at the bottom here
while respecting her position and agreeing with the general vibe of what she is getting at
She mentions specifically
Quote:

How does welcoming immigrants with severe disabilities and health issues – not through our refugee program, which is charitable in nature, but through our economic immigration stream – help address Canada’s demographic issues?



my own feelings on this particular demographic are more forgiving than hers
personally think that loosening restrictions in this particular area
when taken with consideration for other existing measures in immigration
has potential for an overall net benefit

people with disabilities are not incredibly internationally mobile on their own
but families of people with disabilities often have economically or professionally very capable people
because getting as far as Canada in the first place typically means having to support the individual's health concerns prior to reaching our shores

but do recognize that my feelings on the matter to be biased due to feelings of depression and uselessness over my own health issues
which inclines me to feel 'protective' of people with disabilities

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #25269327 - 06/15/18 05:33 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

* i also forgot to add that Trudeau is such a cuck that he doesn't even think returning isis fighters are a problem
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/plan-to-deal-with-returning-isis-fighters-sparks-fiery-exchange-between-scheer-pm-1.3698183

"In his opening remarks in question period, Scheer asked Prime Minister Justin Trudeau why his government is “so focused on reintegration and not putting these people in jail.”

Trudeau responded that the government has a broad range of tools to keep Canadians safe, including “enforcement, surveillance and national security tools.”

“But we also have methods of de-emphasizing or de-programming people who want to harm our society,” Trudeau said"

Like my fuck, what the FUCK goes through Trudeau's head? Returning isis fighters have no place in Canada,  the only way the should to return home, is if they're going to jail:triggered:


And yes, you are correct,  the conservatives were the only party to take  hardline approach to the refugees. The libs and the ndp both decided to band together and take the moral high road and accuse the conservatives of being "not inclusive or bigoted", or whatever other buzz words they could muster up to appeal to the weak minded canadians.
But now that the smoke has cleared and Canadians are upset with the the refugees and the liberals approach, i do expect that to change next election. Who ever takes a stance on this issue will most definitely win the next election. Guaranteed.  Even though you are correct that Canadians are overwhelmingly happy with Trudeau's response to trump, its too little, too late. Nothing will undo his torn image to himself and the liberal party, within how ever long is left on his term.

I personally think giving them work permits etc, is a terrible policy that sets a bad precedent. You should not be rewarding migrants at all. You you should be punishing them, and disincentivize such behavior. Giving them welfare, health care, etc will only encourage such behavior. Instead of giving health and economic incentives to border hop into Canada, why not deport every one of them back to the states or their home countries?

Dont understand your 'when trumps your neighbor' arguement. The consensus seems to be that trump is right for taking a hardline approach, while Trudeau the villain for putting up with it. Even people who hate trump will say" well at least hes right about his refugee/immigration policies,  Trudeau should be doing the same':cookiemonster:
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/mobile/pamphlets-in-plattsburgh-guide-asylum-seekers-to-canadian-border-1.3943781

Americans dont even want their own refugees so they're trying to pawn them off the Canada. When your pm is cucked, you become the world's doormat :bathtub40lol:

I would imagine bcs Filipino and east Indian communities are a whole lot larger than in Manitoba. We also have fast food workers, janitors etc that all seem to be either or, and dont speak English, or you can barely understand them, which causes a lot of people to grow frustrated with them. Which is why i hear many calls from many demographics who say that they want no refugees here, but also want a stop to all immigration. As indians and Filipinos are blamed for our shitty work situation and low wages... almost like the Mexicans of the states.
And regarding Filipinos, they are actually extremely anti refugees as well, especially east Indian ones, who claim that muslims terrorize India as well. But anyways my Filipino friends who their parents were immigrants are especially outraged at how Trudeau has handled the situation. And i agree. They are upset at how easy it is for them to gain citizenship, get welfare and all the other perks they receive, as its all on the tax payers dollars. While their moms had to come to Canada for YEARS, not seeing their children and having to work shit jobs in order to pay the 30k or whatever it was to sponsor their children to come here and become citizens.  They say, why did my mom have to pay for us to come here with blood, sweat and tears, while these fucking terrorists get a free ride :mad2:

And agian, i understand that you're a compassionate person, but Canada has enough of a nightmare getting health care to its native citizens. The last thing the system needs is malnutritioned, unhealthy migrants clogging up the system, causing long lines and draining our precious resources to people who haven't contributed a drop to our society.  Seems likea recipe for disaster and is playing out as such:cookiemonster:

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
    #25269400 - 06/15/18 06:42 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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MagicMush123 said:
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“But we also have methods of de-emphasizing or de-programming people who want to harm our society,” Trudeau said"

Like my fuck, what the FUCK goes through Trudeau's head? Returning isis fighters have no place in Canada,  the only way the should to return home, is if they're going to jail:triggered:
...




Kept in the portion of his quote that mattered in this regard
Canada does have fairly solid methods of de-programming

Wanted for quite some time to get in to de-programming work,
tho my focus was on cults as terrorism was not the big issue it has been since Bush
people can be de-radicalized just as readily as they can be radicalized

We do not find agreement on this particular position
but respect your standpoint and not interested in trying to talk you around

Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
...And yes, you are correct,  the conservatives were the only party to take  hardline approach to the refugees. The libs and the ndp both decided to band together and take the moral high road and accuse the conservatives of being "not inclusive or bigoted", or whatever other buzz words they could muster up to appeal to the weak minded canadians.
...




what won Trudeau prolly the most points when Mulcair and Harper got at each other's throats on the issue
was simply that he did not bother to take a position, as he felt it was not for the Federal government to determine
this held relevance in Québec where regulation against hijab has been written in at the provincial level

he is a lot more about exercising federal weight on Québec in the implementation of cannabis law
where he wants to supersede provincial power
it is a point of personal issue for me that he is flexing further than he should,
despite my general agreement that cannabis growing should be legally allowed nation-wide rather than banned in some provinces
:cookiemonster:

Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
...
And yes, you are correct,  the conservatives were the only party to take  hardline approach to the refugees. The libs and the ndp both decided to band together and take the moral high road and accuse the conservatives of being "not inclusive or bigoted", or whatever other buzz words they could muster up to appeal to the weak minded canadians.
But now that the smoke has cleared and Canadians are upset with the the refugees and the liberals approach, i do expect that to change next election. Who ever takes a stance on this issue will most definitely win the next election. Guaranteed.  Even though you are correct that Canadians are overwhelmingly happy with Trudeau's response to trump, its too little, too late. Nothing will undo his torn image to himself and the liberal party, within how ever long is left on his term.
...




Never make the mistake of thinking things are too little too late in the world of politics
the voting public is far more fickle than you give them credit for

Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
...
I personally think giving them work permits etc, is a terrible policy that sets a bad precedent. You should not be rewarding migrants at all. You you should be punishing them, and disincentivize such behavior. Giving them welfare, health care, etc will only encourage such behavior. Instead of giving health and economic incentives to border hop into Canada, why not deport every one of them back to the states or their home countries?
...




Can respect that we disagree here,
do not view work permits as a reward tho;
would rather they got work permits and had to earn their way into the health care system
but our country is not really set up that way

As for why we do not deport them back to the states...
that is where
Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
...Dont understand your 'when trumps your neighbor' arguement..
...




if Hillary had won, deporting illegals back to the States would be more feasible
tho then it would have been less necessary:cookiemonster:

Giving them citizenship so they can work here allows them to potentially pay their own way out of the country
or at least start contributing to the system rather than being involved in illegal markets

Canada already runs into issues with costs associated with deportation
Quote:

Less than half the foreign nationals forced to leave Canada last year did so voluntarily and paid their own way home, according to data from the border services agency.

In 2017, there were 8,200 removals of failed refugee claimants, people who had outstayed their travel, work or student visa or were considered a risk to public safety.

While 3,639 of them voluntarily complied with their removal order, the others were forced to leave with escorts or had transportation costs paid by the government.

The data, provided to CBC News from the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA), shows a similar pattern over the past six years.



Quote:

According to CBSA, removal costs vary based on the country and transportation used. The average cost of an escorted removal is around $15,000, while a non-escorted removal is $1,500.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/deportation-cbsa-refugee-assistance-1.4493727

In the unlikely event that Trump loses office in or before the next election
deporting people back to the States will be a lot more feasible

with regards to the office of the Prime Minister,
it will also be a lot less politically disdainful to the international sphere
personally feel the Prime Minister should be Canada's face to the world
and let the provinces sort things out for themselves socially

currently, paying to deport people also comes with international criticism of not being sufficiently 'humanitarian'

Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
...
Americans dont even want their own refugees so they're trying to pawn them off the Canada. When your pm is cucked, you become the world's doormat :bathtub40lol:
...




It is not even about attempts to pawn of -- it is people who never wanted to come to Canada, but are using a last-ditch option

this is where my concerns over immigration, aside from foot traffic, are largely assuaged
Canada is typically not the destination of choice for people
or, rather, it wasn't before Trump started shitting up America's international image

Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
...
I would imagine bcs Filipino and east Indian communities are a whole lot larger than in Manitoba. ...




Agreed
Manitoba is very far in-land, so we deal with less immigration on the whole
but there is still very much sentiment of prejudice towards immigrants that one would likely associate with such a rural setting
there are also more issues of racism expressed with regard to Natives than to foreigners
but, in contrast with immigration, the relationship with First Nations is a uniquely Canadian task to deal with


Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
... We also have fast food workers, janitors etc that all seem to be either or, and dont speak English, or you can barely understand them, which causes a lot of people to grow frustrated with them. Which is why i hear many calls from many demographics who say that they want no refugees here, but also want a stop to all immigration. As indians and Filipinos are blamed for our shitty work situation and low wages... almost like the Mexicans of the states.
...




Sounds like the sentiments are much the same province to province then
heard similar in Saskatchewan :cookiemonster:

Personally hold respect for the immigrant populations and do not feel enormously troubled by them taking such positions
my effort in bringing up the topic was to try and indicate that they are disdained while they are not criminals
and they are doing jobs that high school students consider last resort

personally much rather talk to a nice Filipina lady than have my order taken by a robot

Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
...But anyways my Filipino friends who their parents were immigrants are especially outraged at how Trudeau has handled the situation. And i agree. They are upset at how easy it is for them to gain citizenship, get welfare and all the other perks they receive, as its all on the tax payers dollars. While their moms had to come to Canada for YEARS, not seeing their children and having to work shit jobs in order to pay the 30k or whatever it was to sponsor their children to come here and become citizens.  They say, why did my mom have to pay for us to come here with blood, sweat and tears, while these fucking terrorists get a free ride :mad2:
...




My doctor in Saskatchewan was a Filipino gentleman, who had Catholic schooling background and was quite religious
super hard worker, very attentive and one of the most helpful doctors in my experience
but the family he paid to bring over worked in fast food and co-op and the like

Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
...
And agian, i understand that you're a compassionate person, but Canada has enough of a nightmare getting health care to its native citizens. The last thing the system needs is malnutritioned, unhealthy migrants clogging up the system, causing long lines and draining our precious resources to people who haven't contributed a drop to our society.  Seems likea recipe for disaster and is playing out as such:cookiemonster:




It is not compassion on my part :cookiemonster:

it is simply that the scenario with individuals with disabilities, in my experience through group therapy and stuff,
is that it is two professional parents, or individuals that end up opening a storefront
and typically a second child in school age
so personally consider 1 'problem' individual worth the 'trade' of 2-3 working and beneficial individuals
even prior to accounting for the fact that various disabilities or health issues the individual can go through rehabilitation

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Rono]
    #25269415 - 06/15/18 07:00 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)




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    #25269452 - 06/15/18 07:41 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

We should probably get back to memes, but i feel a need to answer.  Ill answer briefly
Quote:

Tantrika said:
Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
...
“But we also have methods of de-emphasizing or de-programming people who want to harm our society,” Trudeau said"

Like my fuck, what the FUCK goes through Trudeau's head? Returning isis fighters have no place in Canada,  the only way the should to return home, is if they're going to jail:triggered:
...




Kept in the portion of his quote that mattered in this regard
Canada does have fairly solid methods of de-programming

Wanted for quite some time to get in to de-programming work,
tho my focus was on cults as terrorism was not the big issue it has been since Bush
people can be de-radicalized just as readily as they can be radicalized

We do not find agreement on this particular position
but respect your standpoint and not interested in trying to talk you around

Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
...And yes, you are correct,  the conservatives were the only party to take  hardline approach to the refugees. The libs and the ndp both decided to band together and take the moral high road and accuse the conservatives of being "not inclusive or bigoted", or whatever other buzz words they could muster up to appeal to the weak minded canadians.
...




what won Trudeau prolly the most points when Mulcair and Harper got at each other's throats on the issue
was simply that he did not bother to take a position, as he felt it was not for the Federal government to determine
this held relevance in Québec where regulation against hijab has been written in at the provincial level

he is a lot more about exercising federal weight on Québec in the implementation of cannabis law
where he wants to supersede provincial power
it is a point of personal issue for me that he is flexing further than he should,
despite my general agreement that cannabis growing should be legally allowed nation-wide rather than banned in some provinces
:cookiemonster:
Harper and mulcair both took hardline and opposite approaches on the issue, and Trudeau ultimately backed mulcair, but to a lesser degree.
Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
...
And yes, you are correct,  the conservatives were the only party to take  hardline approach to the refugees. The libs and the ndp both decided to band together and take the moral high road and accuse the conservatives of being "not inclusive or bigoted", or whatever other buzz words they could muster up to appeal to the weak minded canadians.
But now that the smoke has cleared and Canadians are upset with the the refugees and the liberals approach, i do expect that to change next election. Who ever takes a stance on this issue will most definitely win the next election. Guaranteed.  Even though you are correct that Canadians are overwhelmingly happy with Trudeau's response to trump, its too little, too late. Nothing will undo his torn image to himself and the liberal party, within how ever long is left on his term.
...




Never make the mistake of thinking things are too little too late in the world of politics
the voting public is far more fickle than you give them credit for
Ok, true.  Anything could happen
Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
...
I personally think giving them work permits etc, is a terrible policy that sets a bad precedent. You should not be rewarding migrants at all. You you should be punishing them, and disincentivize such behavior. Giving them welfare, health care, etc will only encourage such behavior. Instead of giving health and economic incentives to border hop into Canada, why not deport every one of them back to the states or their home countries?
...




Can respect that we disagree here,
do not view work permits as a reward tho;
would rather they got work permits and had to earn their way into the health care system
but our country is not really set up that way

As for why we do not deport them back to the states...
that is where
Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
...Dont understand your 'when trumps your neighbor' arguement..
...




if Hillary had won, deporting illegals back to the States would be more feasible
tho then it would have been less necessary:cookiemonster:

Giving them citizenship so they can work here allows them to potentially pay their own way out of the country
or at least start contributing to the system rather than being involved in illegal markets

Canada already runs into issues with costs associated with deportation
Quote:

Less than half the foreign nationals forced to leave Canada last year did so voluntarily and paid their own way home, according to data from the border services agency.

In 2017, there were 8,200 removals of failed refugee claimants, people who had outstayed their travel, work or student visa or were considered a risk to public safety.

While 3,639 of them voluntarily complied with their removal order, the others were forced to leave with escorts or had transportation costs paid by the government.

The data, provided to CBC News from the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA), shows a similar pattern over the past six years.



Quote:

According to CBSA, removal costs vary based on the country and transportation used. The average cost of an escorted removal is around $15,000, while a non-escorted removal is $1,500.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/deportation-cbsa-refugee-assistance-1.4493727

In the unlikely event that Trump loses office in or before the next election
deporting people back to the States will be a lot more feasible

with regards to the office of the Prime Minister,
it will also be a lot less politically disdainful to the international sphere
personally feel the Prime Minister should be Canada's face to the world
and let the provinces sort things out for themselves socially

currently, paying to deport people also comes with international criticism of not being sufficiently 'humanitarian'


International criticism should not dictate our policies. We run Canada, international nations do not. And this why trumps awesome. Hes putting America first and stopping us from deporting them back to the us, hence putting America first.
And how are work permits and welfare not  rewards? These people come from literally nothing,  even if they were 50$ a day, they would be super fucking happy about it, because their countries are literally shit holes.  And they theyll take any job for any pay, lowering wages.

Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
...
Americans dont even want their own refugees so they're trying to pawn them off the Canada. When your pm is cucked, you become the world's doormat :bathtub40lol:
...




It is not even about attempts to pawn of -- it is people who never wanted to come to Canada, but are using a last-ditch option

this is where my concerns over immigration, aside from foot traffic, are largely assuaged
Canada is typically not the destination of choice for people
or, rather, it wasn't before Trump started shitting up America's international image


From my understanding they like Canada better, but only go to states first because there are less fees involved. I was talking a lab assistant from Ireland and he was saying he pays 1000 something? For his visa, and in the states it would be 50 -100?

Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
...
I would imagine bcs Filipino and east Indian communities are a whole lot larger than in Manitoba. ...




Agreed
Manitoba is very far in-land, so we deal with less immigration on the whole
but there is still very much sentiment of prejudice towards immigrants that one would likely associate with such a rural setting
there are also more issues of racism expressed with regard to Natives than to foreigners
but, in contrast with immigration, the relationship with First Nations is a uniquely Canadian task to deal with


Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
... We also have fast food workers, janitors etc that all seem to be either or, and dont speak English, or you can barely understand them, which causes a lot of people to grow frustrated with them. Which is why i hear many calls from many demographics who say that they want no refugees here, but also want a stop to all immigration. As indians and Filipinos are blamed for our shitty work situation and low wages... almost like the Mexicans of the states.
...




Sounds like the sentiments are much the same province to province then
heard similar in Saskatchewan :cookiemonster:

Personally hold respect for the immigrant populations and do not feel enormously troubled by them taking such positions
my effort in bringing up the topic was to try and indicate that they are disdained while they are not criminals
and they are doing jobs that high school students consider last resort.

personally much rather talk to a nice Filipina lady than have my order taken by a robot

I do too. But jobs like McDonald's or tims should pay more and they don't because of immigration, and tfp. Why cant canda find worker's to make min wage at tims? Because nobody but an immigrant would work shit jobs for shit pay. But they will,  so they do lower wages. Do you tims should require temporary foriegn worker's to artificially keep wages low, and stay 'competitive '?

Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
...But anyways my Filipino friends who their parents were immigrants are especially outraged at how Trudeau has handled the situation. And i agree. They are upset at how easy it is for them to gain citizenship, get welfare and all the other perks they receive, as its all on the tax payers dollars. While their moms had to come to Canada for YEARS, not seeing their children and having to work shit jobs in order to pay the 30k or whatever it was to sponsor their children to come here and become citizens.  They say, why did my mom have to pay for us to come here with blood, sweat and tears, while these fucking terrorists get a free ride :mad2:
...




My doctor in Saskatchewan was a Filipino gentleman, who had Catholic schooling background and was quite religious
super hard worker, very attentive and one of the most helpful doctors in my experience
but the family he paid to bring over worked in fast food and co-op and the like



Not saying they're bad people,  but they have to jump through hoops and pay out the ass for citizenship. And refugees literally get it handed to them. Seems unfair right?
Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
...
And agian, i understand that you're a compassionate person, but Canada has enough of a nightmare getting health care to its native citizens. The last thing the system needs is malnutritioned, unhealthy migrants clogging up the system, causing long lines and draining our precious resources to people who haven't contributed a drop to our society.  Seems likea recipe for disaster and is playing out as such:cookiemonster:




It is not compassion on my part :cookiemonster:

it is simply that the scenario with individuals with disabilities, in my experience through group therapy and stuff,
is that it is two professional parents, or individuals that end up opening a storefront
and typically a second child in school age
so personally consider 1 'problem' individual worth the 'trade' of 2-3 working and beneficial individuals
even prior to accounting for the fact that various disabilities or health issues the individual can go through rehabilitation



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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
    #25269459 - 06/15/18 07:45 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

MagicMush123 said:
We should probably get back to memes, but i feel a need to answer.  Ill answer briefly
...




at your leisure :heart:
think we have a lot of areas of agreement with nuances of disagreement more than anything
but appreciate the links and positions you have been supplying
so will likely not reply to your post, tho have read it(we could make a Canada immigration thread if you are particularly interested in a reply?)

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