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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Tantrika]
    #25091231 - 03/26/18 06:38 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Tantrika said:
pardon my rambling,
just reflecting on how my privileged life was impacted by a non-existant "POC shooter"
who was bullied and once claimed life is like a videogame





I don't think anyone said that POC shooters don't exist. I think the tweet was trying to suggest that bullying alone doesn't account for mass shootings. I don't think thats too unreasonable a statement.

Clearly there are multiple factors at play. Entitlement is still part of it, so it mental health, bullying can play a part, wider societal attitudes towards guns and violence etc. I don't think the tweet was trying to establish a rule. And even if it were, there are sometimes exceptions to the rule.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #25091250 - 03/26/18 06:50 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Cause and effect.




Can you elaborate on what you mean by that, just so that we are crystal clear?



Seconded.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Tipote]
    #25091471 - 03/26/18 08:57 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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This is more or less the same image that Jeremy Corbyn is currently being attacked for defending. He defended the original mural on a wall in London on the grounds of freedom of expression, on closer inspection you can see it clearly depicts Jewish people among those around the monopoly board. He says he didn't see this before, and when I looked at the original after being told it was antisemitic, it look me a while to see why so I can appreciate that JC didn't see it for what it was at the time. Because of this, the establishment is attacking him on the tired accusation of "antisemitism". When JC finally looked in more detail at the mural he recognised it was wrong and has condemned it.

Since this is your response to my questioning of you posting antisemitic cartoons, am I to assume youre being unapologetically antisemitic?



Yes, it is the image Jeremy Corbyn defended. He should grow a fucking nut sack and stop back tracking on his comments because of pressure from the Zionist Jewish Labour Movement. He new full well the image depicted elitist Jews.

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Tipote]
    #25091488 - 03/26/18 09:11 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Tipote said:
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Tantrika said:
pardon my rambling,
just reflecting on how my privileged life was impacted by a non-existant "POC shooter"
who was bullied and once claimed life is like a videogame





I don't think anyone said that POC shooters don't exist. I think the tweet was trying to suggest that bullying alone doesn't account for mass shootings. I don't think thats too unreasonable a statement.

Clearly there are multiple factors at play. Entitlement is still part of it, so it mental health, bullying can play a part, wider societal attitudes towards guns and violence etc. I don't think the tweet was trying to establish a rule. And even if it were, there are sometimes exceptions to the rule.




The tweet explicitly stated that bullying does not cause shootings, entitlement does
ironically, the tweet was effectively bullying of a group

Not enormously bothered by the uninformed ramblings of a privileged individual
have a tendency to ramble myself
the first modern school shooter was a teenage girl
so obviously statements trying to downplay the role of minorities in shootings
come from a place of dishonesty or lack of comprehension

it just interested me and got me thinking about how people desperately search for an excuse
for things that we do not understand

originally quoted it in unison with the one about video games
as video games are changing in terms of the demographics they most appeal to as well
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The average gamer may not be who you think he is.

Women older than 18 are 36 percent of the game-playing population, while boys younger than 18 are only 17 percent, according to a recent study by the gaming advocacy group Entertainment Software Association.

The number of female gamers age 50 and older increased by 32 percent from 2012 to 2013.

Men still make up 52 percent of the game-playing population, but women, now 48 percent of the gaming population compared with just 40 percent in 2010, are closing in. The rising popularity of mobile gaming is one reason why.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/22/adult-women-gamers-outnumber-teenage-boys/?utm_term=.03f0a9e44c48

and it interested me in the context of previous shootings being directly blamed on video games
because now broader social sentiments seem to tie video games to privileged white boys
and privileged white boys to shootings due to their promises received from media (ie: video games)

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
    #25091903 - 03/26/18 12:51 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes, it is the image Jeremy Corbyn defended. He should grow a fucking nut sack and stop back tracking on his comments because of pressure from the Zionist Jewish Labour Movement. He new full well the image depicted elitist Jews.




how do you know he knew that?

Its not exactly the same imagine actually, but very similar to it.



I think he has shown plenty of "balls" in his stance on Israel... which explains the blown out of proportion attacks against him.

Hes not an antisemite but you are apparently. Even though youre one of these "white genocide" people, I didn't expect that you'd also be an antisemite.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Tantrika]
    #25091996 - 03/26/18 01:23 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Tantrika said:
The tweet explicitly stated that bullying does not cause shootings, entitlement does
ironically, the tweet was effectively bullying of a group




well i imagine a tweet isn't long enough to explore the complexities of the issues. I don't see how it was bullying though.

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so obviously statements trying to downplay the role of minorities in shootings
come from a place of dishonesty or lack of comprehension




Minorities are not the demographic mainly responsible for shootings though, are they. You or I don't have to agree with the entirety of the tweet, the point I took from it is that entitlement plays a not insignificant part. I personally wouldn't be so bold as to say bullying doesn't have any relationship but I dont think its the most significant causal factor..of which they are probably more than I realise.

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originally quoted it in unison with the one about video games
as video games are changing in terms of the demographics they most appeal to as well





interesting points about video games.

anyway lets get back to cartoons


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #25092114 - 03/26/18 02:07 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Tipote said:
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Tantrika said:
The tweet explicitly stated that bullying does not cause shootings, entitlement does
ironically, the tweet was effectively bullying of a group




well i imagine a tweet isn't long enough to explore the complexities of the issues. I don't see how it was bullying though.
...




Blanket treatment of a group as violent due to entitlement

it is difficult to suss out the realities of issues
when trying to imagine homogeneity where it does not exist

saying that white boys are shooters
as a by-product of violent media
is not that far from saying that black boys are gangsters
as a by-product of the rap musics

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Tipote said:
...
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Tantrika said:
so obviously statements trying to downplay the role of minorities in shootings
come from a place of dishonesty or lack of comprehension




Minorities are not the demographic mainly responsible for shootings though, are they. You or I don't have to agree with the entirety of the tweet, the point I took from it is that entitlement plays a not insignificant part. I personally wouldn't be so bold as to say bullying doesn't have any relationship but I dont think its the most significant causal factor..of which they are probably more than I realise.
...




If minorities were the demographic "mainly responsible"
then that may be a cause for concern
because it would suggest shootings as disproportionately reactionary

minorities make up a minority of shooters
:shrug:

Could you explain why you took anything from it regarding entitlement's role in shootings?
personally just saw it as an individual's opinion
rather than having provided any substantive information or insight on the matter

is the individual particularly noteworthy within some political sphere or movement
and it is just my ignorance killing the issue?


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Tipote said:
...
interesting points about video games.

anyway lets get back to cartoons




It did not seem too far of a stretch to consider
that a person with access to twitter,
may also play mobile games as a distraction from world issues
:cookiemonster:

Completely unrelated but potentially conceptually related article:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/trans-rights-bill-1.4113455
it is an opinion piece,
exploring how the far left and the alt right occasionally end up agreeing on issues they may not intend to agree upon

:hug: thanks for sharing the dump just the same
few more old Penny Arcade comics

in wake of Sandy Hook


examining 'the real issues'

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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Tipote]
    #25093660 - 03/27/18 04:21 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Tipote said:
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Bubbles85 said:
Yes, it is the image Jeremy Corbyn defended. He should grow a fucking nut sack and stop back tracking on his comments because of pressure from the Zionist Jewish Labour Movement. He new full well the image depicted elitist Jews.




how do you know he knew that?

Its not exactly the same imagine actually, but very similar to it.



I think he has shown plenty of "balls" in his stance on Israel... which explains the blown out of proportion attacks against him.

Hes not an antisemite but you are apparently. Even though youre one of these "white genocide" people, I didn't expect that you'd also be an antisemite.



White Oligarch of any religion but Judaism, or non "the enemy"

Jewish Oligarch (the controller of the Worlds Monetary System/Central Banks, Western Media and Governments, on both sides) "Anti-Semitism"

:cookiemonster:

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    #25093753 - 03/27/18 06:05 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)


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    #25093762 - 03/27/18 06:17 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)









Kosher "Nationalism" ^^^ Fucking Retards.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
    #25094071 - 03/27/18 09:32 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Bubbles85] * 3
    #25097214 - 03/28/18 12:50 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Lemme guess, you think you're the guy on the left. Well I hate to break it to ya...


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #25098978 - 03/29/18 08:16 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Tantrika said:
it is difficult to suss out the realities of issues
when trying to imagine homogeneity where it does not exist




I dont think there was a statement of homogeneity, was there?
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saying that white boys are shooters
as a by-product of violent media
is not that far from saying that black boys are gangsters
as a by-product of the rap musics



Fair point but I dont think there was a statement of absolutes.
the media and rap music CAN both contribute to those things. Obviously there are a variety of factors with variance in significance.
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Tantrika said:
If minorities were the demographic "mainly responsible"
then that may be a cause for concern
because it would suggest shootings as disproportionately reactionary
minorities make up a minority of shooters
:shrug:




Well as I've already said I have no doubt there are many many factors involved, I wasn't posting a random persons tweet to explain some overarching thesis completely explaining shootings.
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Could you explain why you took anything from it regarding entitlement's role in shootings?
personally just saw it as an individual's opinion
rather than having provided any substantive information or insight on the matter



What I took from it is a larger point - beyond shooting - that people who feel what they've been promised, what they are entitled to, is being taken away. Since white cis males tend to have the most privilege and therefore entitlement in our societies, they tend to have more to lose and therefore be bitter about.
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Tantrika said:
is the individual particularly noteworthy within some political sphere or movement
and it is just my ignorance killing the issue?



I have no idea.
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Tantrika said:
It did not seem too far of a stretch to consider
that a person with access to twitter,
may also play mobile games as a distraction from world issues
:cookiemonster:



Yeh thats quite a reasonable assumption. It wasn't to condemn video games, I love playing video games!
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Tantrika said:
Completely unrelated but potentially conceptually related article:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/trans-rights-bill-1.4113455
it is an opinion piece,
exploring how the far left and the alt right occasionally end up agreeing on issues they may not intend to agree upon



oh no I feel bullied because you mention a group that do a thing. (joking :P)

Yeah I agree these over lapping areas are worrying. This is why intersectionality is so important.
A black man could laugh at the idea of oppressive patriarchy but completely understand the idea of white supremacy. A white woman can understand patriarchy but not racism.
A cis gender person might understand whatever kind of oppression but neglect cis-normative oppression.

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:hug: thanks for sharing the dump just the same



my pleasure :smile: and thank you :hug:

If you feel the need to continue the discussion, i suggest we either make a thread or continue in PMs because I always feel guilty about clogging up this thread with text.


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Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
    #25098990 - 03/29/18 08:22 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Jewish Oligarch (the controller of the Worlds Monetary System/Central Banks, Western Media and Governments, on both sides) "Anti-Semitism"





So Jewish people disproportionately are in certain industries.. its not antisemitism to point that out.
Its antisemitic to assume they the world's jewry are working together to control people and creating puppet nazis.
Apparently you dont understand what is antisemitic if youre posting that shit.


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    #25099038 - 03/29/18 08:56 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Tipote said:
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Bubbles85 said:
Jewish Oligarch (the controller of the Worlds Monetary System/Central Banks, Western Media and Governments, on both sides) "Anti-Semitism"





So Jewish people disproportionately are in certain industries.. its not antisemitism to point that out.
Its antisemitic to assume they the world's jewry are working together to control people and creating puppet nazis.
Apparently you dont understand what is antisemitic if youre posting that shit.




"working together"

So you don't think groups of people with common traits (race, religion,) don't form strong coalitions to enhance the chances of accomplishing goals for the members of that group?  Most Jews have no issue acknowledging that reality, why do you take issue with it?

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    #25103685 - 03/31/18 03:25 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Tipote said:
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Bubbles85 said:
Jewish Oligarch (the controller of the Worlds Monetary System/Central Banks, Western Media and Governments, on both sides) "Anti-Semitism"





So Jewish people disproportionately are in certain industries.. its not antisemitism to point that out.
Its antisemitic to assume they the world's jewry are working together to control people and creating puppet nazis.
Apparently you dont understand what is antisemitic if youre posting that shit.



Jewish Oligarch = World Jewry. Nah. But that is exactly what the Jewish Oligarch are doing. Shame you don't realise this.

I remember when the EDL were first formed by Tommy Robinson. He had about 5 members including him. A group of 5 supposedly nobodies were given national media coverage from his basement, explaining who they were and what they are about.

I mean seriously you can't make this shit up.

What they were about and the reason they were made public to the nation. You know, 5 nobodies, in their basement :lol: is to further the Jewish Oligarchs Zionist aspirations. They are creating fictious "nationalist" movements in Europe, that take aim at Muslim immigrants while supporting Israel. Look at the pictures of the EDL I've posted above.

Wake up man, both sides left and right, no matter who they take aim at (whites, Muslims etc) are funded by the same people.

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    #25107015 - 04/01/18 05:09 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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"working together"

So you don't think groups of people with common traits (race, religion,) don't form strong coalitions to enhance the chances of accomplishing goals for the members of that group?  Most Jews have no issue acknowledging that reality, why do you take issue with it?




to an extent, but you assume that jews have a united or dominant agenda.

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I remember when the EDL were first formed by Tommy Robinson. He had about 5 members including him. A group of 5 supposedly nobodies were given national media coverage from his basement, explaining who they were and what they are about.

I mean seriously you can't make this shit up.




What you can't make up is that you guys tend to make the same or certainly similar arguments as "Tommy Robinson"

Does Israel have obvious connections with neofascist forces in the US and Europe? Sure. Does that mean the worlds jewry are united in their goals to create puppet nazis and whatever else baseless conspiracy you want to accuse them of? Nope.

Notice that Netanyahu's son posted antisemitic cartoons about George Soros.

Question - Bubbles, are you identifying as a national socialist nowadays then?


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    #25107817 - 04/02/18 04:58 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

You keep going back to this "World Jewry" argument. I thought I made it pretty clear by now that I am referring to the Jewish Oligarch.

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Question - Bubbles, are you identifying as a national socialist nowadays then?




My eyes have been opened to the fictitious enemy's being created for us by the elite, by people who do indeed identify as National Socialists. Intelligent people, not your idiotic neo-nazi degenerates preaching about white power in the streets. These people are not National Socialists. They're fucking retarded elitist pawns, being used to further cement the oligarchs eternal corrupting power.

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    #25107890 - 04/02/18 05:53 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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You keep going back to this "World Jewry" argument. I thought I made it pretty clear by now that I am referring to the Jewish Oligarch.



Quote:

Bubbles85 said:
Jewish Oligarch = World Jewry




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Bubbles85 said:
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Tipote said:
Question - Bubbles, are you identifying as a national socialist nowadays then?




My eyes have been opened to the fictitious enemy's being created for us by the elite, by people who do indeed identify as National Socialists. Intelligent people, not your idiotic neo-nazi degenerates preaching about white power in the streets. These people are not National Socialists. They're fucking retarded elitist pawns, being used to further cement the oligarchs eternal corrupting power.



Are you brave enough to say a simple, "yes" ?


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