Home | Community | Message Board

Out-Grow.com - Mushroom Growing Kits & Supplies
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom

Jump to first unread post Pages: < First | < Back | 320 | 321 | 322 | 323 | 324 | 325 | 326 | 327 | 328 | 329 | 330 | 331 | 332 | 333 | 334 | 335 | 336 | 337 | 338 | 339 | 340 | Next >
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 34,350
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 11 minutes, 47 seconds
Re: Political Cartoons [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27784253 - 05/19/22 12:52 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I think he’s posted enough pro Russia stuff here that it’s a wash


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFalcon91Wolvrn03
Stranger
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/16/05
Posts: 32,557
Loc: California, US
Last seen: 9 months, 17 days
Re: Political Cartoons [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27784315 - 05/19/22 01:35 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

shivas.wisdom said:
Do you think the indirect actions of sharing social media posts and donating surplus income to political pundits more than compensates for your time spent directly supporting the US war-machine?



I don't really care.  Who do you think you are, St Peter?

When I was in the military, I launched satellites into orbit and then I purchased GPS satellites.  Never did I make decisions on foreign policy (that's for Congress to do; they're the ones supporting the war machine).


--------------------
I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFalcon91Wolvrn03
Stranger
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/16/05
Posts: 32,557
Loc: California, US
Last seen: 9 months, 17 days
Re: Political Cartoons [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #27784322 - 05/19/22 01:38 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
I think he’s posted enough pro Russia stuff here that it’s a wash



If you think providing information that the mainstream media won't is being "pro Russia", I'll respectfully disagree.


--------------------
I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 34,350
Loc: 'Merica Flag
Last seen: 11 minutes, 47 seconds
Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27784347 - 05/19/22 01:58 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I was joking


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFalcon91Wolvrn03
Stranger
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/16/05
Posts: 32,557
Loc: California, US
Last seen: 9 months, 17 days
Re: Political Cartoons [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #27784351 - 05/19/22 02:00 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

:toast:


--------------------
I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineshivas.wisdom
בּ
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 13,487
Loc: Turtle Island
Last seen: 6 hours, 29 minutes
Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27784356 - 05/19/22 02:03 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Quote:

shivas.wisdom said:
Do you think the indirect actions of sharing social media posts and donating surplus income to political pundits more than compensates for your time spent directly supporting the US war-machine?



I don't really care.  Who do you think you are, St Peter?

When I was in the military, I launched satellites into orbit and then I purchased GPS satellites.  Never did I make decisions on foreign policy (that's for Congress to do; they're the ones supporting the war machine).



You don't care about your participation as a cog in the American war-machine?

The anarchist approach is one of individual direct action and responsibility as the foundation of systemic change, so I was curious about how you measured up your own actions. Note that I never passed judgment here - I merely asked you to judge yourself. It seems I struck a chord with this line of questioning.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFalcon91Wolvrn03
Stranger
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/16/05
Posts: 32,557
Loc: California, US
Last seen: 9 months, 17 days
Re: Political Cartoons [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 2
    #27784366 - 05/19/22 02:13 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Judging myself, I left the military once I realized it wasn't a force for good, I continue to speak out against it, and I'm happy with myself for doing that.


--------------------
I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFalcon91Wolvrn03
Stranger
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/16/05
Posts: 32,557
Loc: California, US
Last seen: 9 months, 17 days
Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27784713 - 05/19/22 06:05 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Glenn Greenwald highlights a few lies from Nicolle Wallace of MSNBC.  :lol:



--------------------
I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemycot
Crazy as fuck
 User Gallery

Registered: 05/31/06
Posts: 1,160
Loc: Australia
Last seen: 1 day, 21 hours
Re: Political Cartoons [Re: metalfaith] * 1
    #27785050 - 05/19/22 11:05 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

metalfaith said:
Quote:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:




Shouldn't it be "Gratuitous Military Spending", as opposed to Ukraine war?

But then that wouldn't be something conservatives could claim to get behind?




That pipeline - straight to Lockheed-Martin.

Inevitably brought this clip to mind.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFalcon91Wolvrn03
Stranger
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/16/05
Posts: 32,557
Loc: California, US
Last seen: 9 months, 17 days
Re: Political Cartoons [Re: mycot]
    #27785439 - 05/20/22 09:39 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

George W. Bush gets a prank call from 'Zelensky'.

When asked about Putin's request to join NATO, Bush said "I think what he (Putin) wanted to do was sit on the fringe of NATO to make sure NATO was not offensive but defensive."



--------------------
I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineshivas.wisdom
בּ
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 13,487
Loc: Turtle Island
Last seen: 6 hours, 29 minutes
Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #27787651 - 05/22/22 12:05 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

A new and improved political compass:



--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFalcon91Wolvrn03
Stranger
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/16/05
Posts: 32,557
Loc: California, US
Last seen: 9 months, 17 days
Re: Political Cartoons [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27788122 - 05/22/22 12:14 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)



--------------------
I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAsante
Omnicyclion prophet
Male User Gallery

Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 87,828
Re: Political Cartoons [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27788528 - 05/22/22 05:39 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

shivas.wisdom said:
A new and improved political compass:







Hardly, capitalism is highly centralizing, billionaires and soon trillionaires.

It favors small government but big corporations.


--------------------
Omnicyclion.org
higher knowledge starts here

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineshivas.wisdom
בּ
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 13,487
Loc: Turtle Island
Last seen: 6 hours, 29 minutes
Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Asante]
    #27788571 - 05/22/22 06:17 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Expanded labels for the axes would be (y) the degree to which power is shared and (x) the processes by which decisions are made.

Under capitalism, power (ie capital/wealth) is progressively concentrated into a handful of ultra-wealthy individuals - that's the hierarchy part. But these ultra-wealthy individuals aren't necessarily unified by a centralized decision-making process - more often than not, a sufficiently wealthy individual can freely act on their own decisions - that's the decentralized part. Theoretically, wealth could continue to accumulate until a single individual held enough power to unilaterally dictate, but that's basically late-stage capitalism giving birth to fascism.

It's loosely based on a quote by Bakunin, where liberty is analogous to decentralization and socialism is analogous to equality: "we are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege and injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality".


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemycot
Crazy as fuck
 User Gallery

Registered: 05/31/06
Posts: 1,160
Loc: Australia
Last seen: 1 day, 21 hours
Re: Political Cartoons [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27788681 - 05/22/22 07:47 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Despite your explanation, I also am having difficulty with this compass.

Out with my trusty dictionary and here's some key ideas (not complete definition) associated with Fascism.
(Elseware I have seen It defined as collusion between Government and Industry)

Strong centralised power
often anticommunist
Colloq any extreme right-wing ideology
Colloq a dictatorial person

Also "late-stage capitalism giving birth to fascism" implies there's no great conflict between the two ideas.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineshivas.wisdom
בּ
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 13,487
Loc: Turtle Island
Last seen: 6 hours, 29 minutes
Re: Political Cartoons [Re: mycot] * 1
    #27788761 - 05/22/22 09:04 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Fascism is a fairly nebulous term, because it includes culturally-specific myths - for example, the idealized versions of the Roman Empire, First Reich, and Shogunate which influenced the manifestations of fascism in Italy, Germany, and Japan. But I'm unsure where your confusion lies.

Strong centralised power? Check
Often anticommunist? Usually, but the compass reflects this opposition with the y-axis.
Extreme right-wing ideology? Moving away from the notion of left-right ideologies is a big motivation behind this compass, as it's not a very informative distinction imo. With that in mind, this compass won't reflect this quality.
Dictatorial person? That's what the far-extent of the x-axis towards centralization implies.

There absolutely is a contradiction between capitalism and fascism, but the idea rooted in 'late-stage capitalism' is that the ideology itself is inherently contradictory and/or unsustainable. If capitalism leads to a progressive accumulation of wealth, an increasing amount of people will be unable to afford an increasing amount of material goods - at which point the capitalist system will begin to collapse without either redistributing wealth (ie, move down the y-axis), or opening new avenues of exploitation by 'othering' certain social classes - which temporarily maintains the capitalist hierarchy at the cost of the othered groups individual agency (ie, the fascist creep down the x-axis).

It's certainly a compass made with anarchy in mind - it intends to illustrate two important values to anarchist ideology (decentralization and equality) and how other ideologies diverge from these anarchist values - but don't think that these two axes are sufficient in their own right either. The goal was to illustrate nuance beyond the old left-right schism, not create a new one.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFalcon91Wolvrn03
Stranger
Male User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/16/05
Posts: 32,557
Loc: California, US
Last seen: 9 months, 17 days
Re: Political Cartoons [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27792519 - 05/25/22 03:44 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

This is a comedy routine, but like many political cartoons, it contains some truth.



It'll be interesting to see if we do coup the country he predicts in the next few years...


--------------------
I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinefalcon
 User Gallery


Registered: 04/01/02
Posts: 8,071
Last seen: 6 hours, 25 minutes
Re: Political Cartoons [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27792735 - 05/25/22 06:47 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

He had enough material for a two minute bit.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineshivas.wisdom
בּ
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 13,487
Loc: Turtle Island
Last seen: 6 hours, 29 minutes
Re: Political Cartoons [Re: falcon]
    #27793043 - 05/25/22 10:11 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)



--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineThe Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 34,350
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 11 minutes, 47 seconds
Re: Political Cartoons [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27793307 - 05/26/22 06:34 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Spicy


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < First | < Back | 320 | 321 | 322 | 323 | 324 | 325 | 326 | 327 | 328 | 329 | 330 | 331 | 332 | 333 | 334 | 335 | 336 | 337 | 338 | 339 | 340 | Next >

Shop: PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Great Political Cartoon
( 1 2 3 all )
SlapnutRob 12,336 43 01/23/04 10:39 AM
by Evolving
* My forum & cartoons ? Osama not evil! alienmindscape 1,669 4 10/14/01 07:18 PM
by Innvertigo
* Political View Results
( 1 2 3 4 all )
Innvertigo 11,666 77 12/15/03 01:20 PM
by Anonymous
* Obama political cartoons (and other photographs I found rather amusing). THE KRAT BARON 814 4 09/04/08 03:44 AM
by wildchild68
* Political Comentary in Children's Cartoons PNutButta 1,084 4 10/15/03 05:57 PM
by Learyfan
* Bush Administration Yanked PBS Cartoon for Showing Lesbian Couples
( 1 2 3 4 all )
StonedShroom 7,947 62 06/14/10 06:44 PM
by husk
* Cartoon Protesters Rampage in Pakistan (Is This Really About Cartoons Anymore?) Catalysis 1,558 10 02/17/06 06:00 PM
by kilgore_trout
* Disney's WW2 Propaganda Cartoons Released on DVD SquattingMarmot 1,354 5 06/12/04 10:41 PM
by Learyfan

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Enlil, ballsalsa
352,155 topic views. 4 members, 7 guests and 12 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.039 seconds spending 0.011 seconds on 15 queries.