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OfflineKingCobWeb
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Huge Shrooms, Money and FREE PUSSY!!
    #1320538 - 02/19/03 09:05 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

"Pussy" is a slang term for "Agar"....so the subject line is relevent.

Now lets talk about AGAR.

There are Agar recipies in the FAQ, oh yes indeed there are!

Now, would someone mind explaining to us idiots exactly WHAT "light malt extract" is?
Is it Barley Malt? Is it some kind of EXTRACT of that Barley Malt?

I have a bag of very fine powder that is labeled "Barley Malt Sweetener"
On the side label it says "Barley Malt is a natural sweetener derived from an EXTRACT of sprouted barley"

So, is this a bag of Malt Extract Powder?

Well? Is it?

Now:
"Potato Dextrose"

I have a box that is labeled "Pure Potato Starch FLOUR"
Is this potato dextrose?
It is 100% potato starch...as though someone had already gone through the process of boiling potatos and taking the starch and powdering it and putting it into a box.

Can this be used in the "Potato Dextrose Agar" recipe?

I really very much wish that the FAQ's where written clearly....I know that it helps to generate conversation on this forum when we STILL have to come here to ask questions....only to be sent to read the FAQ's that confused us in the first place.

So what is the point of adding these things to AGAR?
Is Agar NOT nutritional enough on its own to support and foster mycelium growth?

What is it that is needing to be added?
Is it dextrose? Is it carbohydrates? Is it both?

If I want to make some Agar plates, and all I have is "Pure potato Starch Flour" and "Barley Malt Sweetener", and some Agar, then how should I use these ingredients to make a suitable Agar plate for sprouting spores or growing mycelium samples?

I have some honey too. How do use this?

Now, I have read the FAQ, I have done searches. I did searches and read the FAQ some more.
Realistically, the information presented there does not really inform me, or anyone of anything that we need to know about making Agar plates.

You know how some Europeans, especially the funny-talking ones from England call "Crackers" "Bisquits", and call "french fries" "chips?" (And have chips with silly and gross flavors like "Ketchup, Chocolate and Caviar" flavouring?)

Well, thats what reading these FAQs is like....someone calls Potato Dextrose EXTRACT that, when it reality it might very well be potato STARCH that they are actually "extracting" from boiling potatos..

So those of us that read that, yet have a box of potato STARCH flourright infront of us might read that and become confused, because someone is using odd terms or ill-defined words for things, and not giving any alternate terminology or ingredient names.

I mean....just look at the way the Limeys mispronounce "Aluminum" (The Aussies do this too....but they also gave the world Olivia Newton John and Abba...so they have obviously suffered enough)

Now when we took the Kings tea and dumped it into the Boston Harbor and told England to fuck off (Yeah, theres no Queen on OUR money! So up yours Canada!)
Where we making "Tea and Sea water EXTRACT"? Or was it just "Tea extract"? Or was that tea already considered an extract just cause some poncy King said so?

SO will one of you smarty-pants types enlighten us dumb-asses about whats what in the world of Agar? (Yes, you Canadians can answer too...after all you have gotten a hell of a free ride off of AMERICAS military might, and never actually needed an army or airforce of your own....except for Parades...you benefit from the oil we steal too)


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Re: Huge Shrooms, Money and FREE PUSSY!! [Re: KingCobWeb]
    #1320587 - 02/19/03 09:46 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

>Now, would someone mind explaining to us idiots exactly WHAT "light malt
>extract" is?
>Is it Barley Malt? Is it some kind of EXTRACT of that Barley Malt?

Malt is germinated and roasted barley.
Depending on how stong it is roasted, it is either light or dark.

>I have a box that is labeled "Pure Potato Starch FLOUR"
>Is this potato dextrose?

Potato is one thing.
Dextorse is the other thing, also called Glucose.
Potato starch is not a subsitute for potatoes.

>So what is the point of adding these things to AGAR?

This is in the faq and here http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23544 .

>Is Agar NOT nutritional enough on its own to support and foster mycelium growth?

No.
Agar is not used by the mushrooms at all, as far I know. It?s only added as gelating agent.

>Is it dextrose? Is it carbohydrates? Is it both?

Dextrose is a source of carbohydrates. And potatoes and yeast extract are the source of many other other elements mycelium needs to grow.

>If I want to make some Agar plates, and all I have is "Pure potato Starch Flour"
>and "Barley Malt Sweetener", and some Agar, then how should I use these
>ingredients to make a suitable Agar plate for sprouting spores or growing
>mycelium samples?

Take a look at the MEA recipe.

>I have some honey too. How do use this?

It?s a subtitute for dextrose in the PDYA recipe, it?s in the FAQ.

>when it reality it might very well be potato STARCH that they are
>actually "extracting" from boiling potatos..

You can call it an unflavored potato soup if you want. Minus the potatoes, only the fluid.

>So those of us that read that, yet have a box of potato STARCH flourright infront
>of us might read that and become confused, because someone is using odd
>terms or ill-defined words for things, and not giving any alternate terminology or
>ingredient names.

Forget the starch, it?s not suitable for anything you want to do.


If you have barley malt and agar , you can make MEA.

If you have potatoes, dextrose or honey, and agar, you can make PDA.


Edited by Anno (02/19/03 09:51 PM)


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Re: Huge Shrooms, Money and FREE PUSSY!! [Re: Anno]
    #1320616 - 02/19/03 10:18 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you Anno!
Now lets clarify (Or confuse) a little bit:

Quote:

>Now, would someone mind explaining to us idiots exactly WHAT "light malt
>extract" is?
>Is it Barley Malt? Is it some kind of EXTRACT of that Barley Malt?

Malt is germinated and roasted barley.
Depending on how stong it is roasted, it is either light or dark.

>I have a box that is labeled "Pure Potato Starch FLOUR"
>Is this potato dextrose?

Potato is one thing.
Dextorse is the other thing, also called Glucose.
Potato starch is not a subsitute for potatoes.

If you have barley malt and agar , you can make MEA.

If you have potatoes, dextrose or honey, and agar, you can make PDA.





So Barley Malt *IS* Malt extract? Or is it NOT?

Thanks Anno, for at least some clarification.

But if you read the FAQ from the point of view of someone who does NOT alread know what these things mean, then the things that the FAQ's say just do not make any sense to someone who is logical and inteligent yet un-educated about the subtle nuances of mushroom cultivating slang and terminology....especially when one reads terms used out of context constantly on this forum.

Thanks again.


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Re: Huge Shrooms, Money and FREE PUSSY!! [Re: KingCobWeb]
    #1320640 - 02/19/03 10:36 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

>So Barley Malt *IS* Malt extract? Or is it NOT?

Technically, malt is sprouted, roasted a and cleaned grain. But it?s still grain.

Only when you grind it and extract it with water (=make a tea if you wish...) and then you dry this fluid , you get a "malt extract" in powder form.

So, if what you have is in powder form, and yellow looking and sticky, then it?s malt extract.


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Re: Huge Shrooms, Money and FREE PUSSY!! [Re: KingCobWeb]
    #1320694 - 02/19/03 11:33 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

>yet un-educated about the subtle nuances of mushroom cultivating slang and terminology.

Then consult:
www.shroomery.org/glossary.php
www.shroomery.org/glossary2
http://labs.google.com/glossary

It takes time, don?t expect to be a master of cultivation in one week.


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Re: Huge Shrooms, Money and FREE PUSSY!! [Re: KingCobWeb]
    #1320705 - 02/19/03 11:44 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

From what ive found and seen dark malt extract is a syrup and light is in powder form so sounds like you have the light which i cant find so lucky you :tongue:

Are you starting spores? or cloning with it?as if cloning also look into peroxide as an additive.


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Re: Huge Shrooms, Money and FREE PUSSY!! [Re: G a n j a]
    #1321477 - 02/20/03 08:50 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

From what ive found and seen dark malt extract is a syrup and light is in powder form so sounds like you have the light which i cant find so lucky you :tongue:

Are you starting spores? or cloning with it?as if cloning also look into peroxide as an additive. 




there is light malt extract syrup. search for Alexander's Pale Malt Syrup. They evaporate at low temps to prevent carmelization. Just what your looking for. From what I've been told it works fucking great. See this thread for how to alter your agar recipe to work with a liquid: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum4&Number=1126305&fpart=&PHPSESSID=


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Re: Huge Shrooms, Money and FREE PUSSY!! [Re: debianlinux]
    #1321498 - 02/20/03 09:00 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Cheers debian that was a good read :smile: was that your first ever  post?


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Re: Huge Shrooms, Money and FREE PUSSY!! [Re: G a n j a]
    #1321561 - 02/20/03 09:26 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

ha!! yeah, i believe it was :smile: ... pretty cool. i just pulled it out of my favorites, forgot that was my 1st.


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Re: Huge Shrooms, Money and FREE PUSSY!! [Re: debianlinux]
    #1321790 - 02/20/03 10:48 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Aw crap....

I played around last night, mixed 7g agar, 400ml of water, a spoonfull of corn syrup ( clear kind, not the yellow kind ) and a bit of honey.

Microwaved it for 5 minutes and poured it into majon jars slanted.

so i've got dextrose agar.. sugar agar, honey agar.. whatever... is this going to work, ,or am i destined for failure???

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Re: Huge Shrooms, Money and FREE PUSSY!! [Re: Curious_George]
    #1321878 - 02/20/03 11:19 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I think that will work :smile: i didnt wont to say but i did at first use dark syrup malt extract lol and it worked :smile: but i suppose the agar recipes in the faq are ideals and should be better thats not to say others dont work but maybe not as well.

I found agar agar the hardest to find until i got a source(dont like any online sales but thats just me) so i thought of using gelotine.I may try it anyway.


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Re: Huge Shrooms, Money and FREE PUSSY!! [Re: G a n j a]
    #1323359 - 02/20/03 09:58 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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I think that will work :smile: i didnt wont to say but i did at first use dark syrup malt extract lol and it worked :smile: but i suppose the agar recipes in the faq are ideals and should be better thats not to say others dont work but maybe not as well.

I found agar agar the hardest to find until i got a source(dont like any online sales but thats just me) so i thought of using gelotine.I may try it anyway. 




gelatine does work...it just breaks down quickly....but give it a try, it's kinda neat doing things the old fashioned way...just like granpa....

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Re: Huge Shrooms, Money and FREE PUSSY!! [Re: G a n j a]
    #1323428 - 02/20/03 10:54 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

I think that will work :smile: i didnt wont to say but i did at first use dark syrup malt extract lol and it worked :smile: but i suppose the agar recipes in the faq are ideals and should be better thats not to say others dont work but maybe not as well.

I found agar agar the hardest to find until i got a source(dont like any online sales but thats just me) so i thought of using gelotine.I may try it anyway. 




Tried gelatine, not worth it, at higher temps like 80F it just melts into liquid, and I reduced the water, alot, and still it melts into liquid.

No replacement for agar.

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Re: Huge Shrooms, Money and FREE PUSSY!! [Re: KingCobWeb]
    #1323532 - 02/21/03 12:45 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I've seen this thread for a week now. At first I couldn't help myself, I read it. KingCobWeb man, you should be in advertising. Your initial topic "Huge Shrooms, Money and FREE PUSSY!!" was genius! You should be in advertising.

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